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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859010 - 08/02/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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For real. All you have to do is take off the cowardly mask. They KNOW as soon as they put on all black that someone, whether its them or one of their "comrades" is going to be committing crime and they want to make sure they can all get away with it.
I despite this cowardice so much it makes my blood boil.
All you have to do is step out of your home so these soldiers can stay there.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 4
#26859028 - 08/02/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Antifa was wearing masks before masks were popular.
Wearing black is not a crime, but being an accomplice to a crime as a part of a gang where everyone wears the same color ans you're standing next to someone who breaks shit up CAN be. It depends on the context.
In this particular case, because their actual M.O. is TO BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH CRIME BY LOOKING LIKE THEIR COMRADES IN BLACK ANONYMITY, something has to be done to prevent this. Some kind of counter measure.
What's there to counter measure? If someone breaks the law, they get arrested. We don't arrest people for looking like someone else who potentially broke the law. If you want to piss on the Constitution to get a short fix to something that you find offensive, then let's just tear up the whole dam thing.
If law enforcement can't catch someone who broke the law, too fucking bad. We're not going to tear up the Constitution because you lost your patience with the protesters.
When you want to protest some issue and some of the protesters break some sort of law, I'm not going to ask for your arrest because you could potentially be associated with those arrested. Why can't you extend the same respect?
This isn't about agreeing with Antifa or BLM, it's about putting Constitutional rights ahead of personal ideology. Why are you struggling with this priority and letting your emotions control your worldview?
Despite being angry, my process for wanting a crackdown on Antifa is rational, not emotional. They are actual terrorists who want to bring down America and it's only going to get worse if we continue to let them fuck our cities up, and it may lead to civil war anyway.
I don't want a civil war. Somehow America has to grow a fucking pair and deal with the problems these rioters are creating. Most protesters are just innocent people who get swept in the chaos, but the boys in black for the most part abso-fucking-lutely know what they are doing and I hate repeating my self, but it bears saying again, they INTENTIONALLY all dress in black for the PURPOSE of people able to commit crime without the authorities knowing who did it. It's part of their M.O. Their anonymity protects them. It's apart of their entire web of operation.
Now naturally people that can't even agree with me on the nature of Antifa aren't going to agree with me on the solution, either. Fuck, I don't even know what the exact solution is, all I know is that if an insurgency all dresses the same, the "law" starts getting blurry and without a solution, we're going to see even crazier shit happen in a few months.
It sounds like your real issue is with law enforcement sucking at doing their jobs. What's so hard about recording someone doing a crime and then arresting them? Yet, you're suggesting it's impossible because they're dressing in black.
BTW, the protesters haven't even done anything other than destroy some property. In other words, they have been very gentle so far. You do realize they could come armed if they wanted?
What if 5000 protesters are all carrying firearms and start shooting when they see cops attacking people for no reason at all? Yeah, this stuff is nothing so far, so stop blowing it out of proportion.
You'll see a civil war if the unmarked cars and cops don't stopping kidnapping innocent US citizens just to intimidate them. So keep pushing for fascist tactics and see where that gets us.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 1
#26859038 - 08/02/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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BTW, the protesters haven't even done anything other than destroy some property. In other words, they have been very gentle so far.
You call this "gentle?"
Or this?
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stop blowing it out of proportion.
Some of us have the foresight to see where this is going. It's just history repeating itself. These archetypes play out all the time. It's not gonna get there overnight... it's a process. This is how it starts.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 4
#26859041 - 08/02/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The protesters in Portland and elsewhere have shown incredible restraint in the face of extreme violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859047 - 08/02/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Fernando Martinez, a partner of the Olé Restaurant Group, was one of dozens of business owners in the downtown Louisville district who recently received a letter from protesters laying out demands that aim to improve diversity in the area, which is known for its locally-owned shops and restaurants.
Martinez has publicly denounced the demands on Facebook, calling them "mafia tactics" used to intimidate business owners. And on Thursday, a small group of protesters confronted him outside his newest restaurant, La Bodeguita de Mima, on East Market Street.
There comes a time in life that you have to make a stand and you have to really prove your convictions and what you believe in," Martinez wrote in his Facebook post. "... All good people need to denounce this. How can you justified (sic) injustice with more injustice?"
Ha. This guy isn't even white and he's being targeted by these lunatic Antifa fucks telling him his restaurant doesn't hire "diversely" enough. He said, "no" and so now they are confronting him directly at his restaurant... which can't be a good for business.
A fucking minority... who the fuck is exempt from their wrath now? You have to be a like a black trans queer Muslim to be diverse enough for them. 
They want to control every aspect of your life and this isn't going to stop if we don't stand up to them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26859049 - 08/02/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: The protesters in Portland and elsewhere have shown incredible restraint in the face of extreme violence.
It's not hard to show restraint when this is what happens to you when you don't.
That's like saying a kid shows incredible restraint not hitting his dad when he's angry. Yeah, no shit cuz daddy's gonna whoop your ass if you hit him.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859063 - 08/02/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please most of those trafficked kids were going to end up in prison or dead anyways. And most kids never get trafficked anyways. What’s the big deal?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859078 - 08/02/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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BTW, the protesters haven't even done anything other than destroy some property. In other words, they have been very gentle so far.
You call this "gentle?"
Or this?
How about this?
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stop blowing it out of proportion.
Some of us have the foresight to see where this is going. It's just history repeating itself. These archetypes play out all the time. It's not gonna get there overnight... it's a process. This is how it starts.
Chicago PD really sent 20-30 cops to guard a statue? What a great usage of resources. 
Again, that's kindergarten level protesting/destruction of property. Throwing water bottles and firecrackers isn't shit, the gangs in Chicago don't play that game.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 1
#26859305 - 08/02/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn thinks this is the most violent protest in history
Ever heard of the french revolution? Qman is right, this is fucking tame in comparison to what CAN happen when you push the proles too far.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26859362 - 08/02/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They were frozen water bottles capable of giving people concussions.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859374 - 08/02/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You may have missed this post earlier, but what are your thoughts on the Boston massacre? Who were the real terrorists?
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Some years ago in Boston during a verbal dispute, an unarmed teenage boy was forcefully hit in the head with the butt of a rifle by local law enforcement. Word of the incident spread quickly and, in a city already roiled by recent examples of excessive use of force by local authorities and concerned about reports of bias in the justice system nationwide, a large number of locals gathered in the street where the incident had happened to protest almost immediately.
As the crowd grew, angry protesters shouted slogans and blocked the street; some business owners, fearing property damage, shut their doors. The local authorities called for uniformed backup; backup came, well armed.
The assembly was deemed "unlawful," and the crowd was ordered to disperse. The protesters began to throw snowballs in response. (Eyewitness accounts vary as to whether a few of the protesters also hurled hard chunks of ice toward the men in uniform; accounts also vary as to whether some protesters may have been armed with sticks.)
In response, multiple uniformed law enforcers fired on the crowd. By most accounts, the first protester to die was a black man. (Though he did not have a gun, authorities would later try to justify his shooting in court by asserting the men who shot him were terrified by his large size and "mad" appearance, which, a lawyer for the law enforcement claimed, was "enough to terrify any person.")
The year was 1770, the authorities were British soldiers, the protest would later be called the Boston Massacre (during which five protesters were killed, and six wounded), and the first protester killed in that confiict was Crispus Attucks, considered by many to be a heroic American patriot and the first casualty of the American Revolution.
If, while reading this story, you found yourself siding with the authorities and thinking that the crowd should not have blocked the street, that the protesters should have dispersed when ordered, and/or that the protesters armed with snowballs and sticks deserved to be met with deadly force by armed law enforcement, be aware that you chose the side of the tyrant King George III not the American patriots. Ponder that.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26859397 - 08/02/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pretty sure the real terrorists are the ones attacking civilians and screaming "Black lives matter" when all lives matter.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26859443 - 08/02/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn is finally realizing his authoritarian desires. The Shroomery has enlightened him. All he needs is a few years up state and maybe a failed college admission and he's ready to rule the world.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26859698 - 08/02/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You may have missed this post earlier, but what are your thoughts on the Boston massacre? Who were the real terrorists?
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ballsalsa said: Ok, now let's talk about the Boston Massacre.
Some years ago in Boston during a verbal dispute, an unarmed teenage boy was forcefully hit in the head with the butt of a rifle by local law enforcement. Word of the incident spread quickly and, in a city already roiled by recent examples of excessive use of force by local authorities and concerned about reports of bias in the justice system nationwide, a large number of locals gathered in the street where the incident had happened to protest almost immediately.
As the crowd grew, angry protesters shouted slogans and blocked the street; some business owners, fearing property damage, shut their doors. The local authorities called for uniformed backup; backup came, well armed.
The assembly was deemed "unlawful," and the crowd was ordered to disperse. The protesters began to throw snowballs in response. (Eyewitness accounts vary as to whether a few of the protesters also hurled hard chunks of ice toward the men in uniform; accounts also vary as to whether some protesters may have been armed with sticks.)
In response, multiple uniformed law enforcers fired on the crowd. By most accounts, the first protester to die was a black man. (Though he did not have a gun, authorities would later try to justify his shooting in court by asserting the men who shot him were terrified by his large size and "mad" appearance, which, a lawyer for the law enforcement claimed, was "enough to terrify any person.")
The year was 1770, the authorities were British soldiers, the protest would later be called the Boston Massacre (during which five protesters were killed, and six wounded), and the first protester killed in that confiict was Crispus Attucks, considered by many to be a heroic American patriot and the first casualty of the American Revolution.
If, while reading this story, you found yourself siding with the authorities and thinking that the crowd should not have blocked the street, that the protesters should have dispersed when ordered, and/or that the protesters armed with snowballs and sticks deserved to be met with deadly force by armed law enforcement, be aware that you chose the side of the tyrant King George III not the American patriots. Ponder that.
I took a 5 day break from posting and when I came back, this post of your originally was the first thing I was inspired to reply to. Let me re-post as wel.
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I know this seems to be a novel idea around these parts, but hear me out:
Anti government resistances aren't always in the right and they aren't always in the wrong.
Pro-government authority isn't always in the right and isn't always in the wrong.
Sometimes BOTH sides are wrong and sometimes both sides have a point.
The trick really is to figure out what side is fucking over the lives of innocent people more, disturbing the peace more, destroying the city more, etc...
My position is simple. If the rioters and antifa keep having their way, there isn't going to be much of a Portland left to defend.
I wanted these people dealt with because I cared about Portland. I used to live there... because I can see what not dealing with them will lead to. But hey, at this point I say just get rid of the police entirely and let the city burn. These rioters will rip it apart and it may actually turn the state Red this year, so why not let it happen?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26859721 - 08/02/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lets take the American Revolution, the colonies were one third composed of loyalists. How does one deem which revolution, is good to go?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#26859756 - 08/02/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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#26859760 - 08/02/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude you have issues
Stop linking to Facebook posts. It’s annoying.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26859762 - 08/02/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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These children are the ones that have issues. They need a smack or two to start behaving because nothing else is working.
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#26859792 - 08/02/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They probably do. Why do you care? None of this stuff has any real bearing on your life. A couple dozen kids with issues being rude in Portland are working you into a rage, and filling you with violent thoughts. You’re emotionally involved for no reason. Maybe you should just chose not to care. You’re letting yourself be manipulated by Facebook posts.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26859819 - 08/02/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly think you're getting more worked up over me than I am over them. 
I have things that piss me off, but I don't dwell on them. I'm only painting a picture to show everyone how completely foolish, incompetent, uncourteous and annoying most of these protesters are.
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