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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26857133 - 08/01/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Threats to national security do not lose their rights with a stroke of the president’s pen. There are plenty of remedies to this situation that do not blatantly violate the rights of the users of the app.

You don’t get to void rights just because you feel threatened. The entire point of the first amendment is that you can’t just silence things you don’t like. Americans use that app and their government is censoring their voices of it bans tik tok.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26857139 - 08/01/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What about the right of users to access whatever content they wish? You want the government to tell you what services you can use and which ones are censored? That’s how China operates.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26857143 - 08/01/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You don’t get to void rights just because you feel threatened.




I actually agree. You can't just "feel" threatened, you'd actually have to BE threatened.

Nobody is asserting Tik Tok is being banned because of the content on the app. Nobody is asserting their business model is bad. The only assertion is information en masse is going to the CCP who is going to use it against people just like me and you if they can.

Why sympathize with someone who wishes us harm? I don't even get it, man.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26857145 - 08/01/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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What about the right of users to access whatever content they wish? You want the government to tell you what services you can use and which ones are censored? That’s how China operates.




Someone can create a cloned tik-tok app that doesn't jeopardize national security. It's not hard. Then people can keep posting all the content they want.


EDIT: And yes, we can't escape someone getting our information. It's fucking bullshit, honestly. It's the price we pay for social media... but we're on the verge of war with China... we can't be letting them have this edge on us.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26857178 - 08/01/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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You don’t get to void rights just because you feel threatened.




I actually agree. You can't just "feel" threatened, you'd actually have to BE threatened.

Nobody is asserting Tik Tok is being banned because of the content on the app. Nobody is asserting their business model is bad. The only assertion is information en masse is going to the CCP who is going to use it against people just like me and you if they can.

Why sympathize with someone who wishes us harm? I don't even get it, man.




Is it illegal for them to send user data to China? Did the users consent? If not, prosecute them for their violations. I’m sure there’s laws that can accommodate a situation like this where the government can force an entity to divest its American holdings. That happened with Grindr a while back. Banning them should be the last resort not the first.

You trump supporters remind me of the Muslims on YouTube who profess they are for free speech but you can’t say anything bad about the prophet, that’s different. You can protest, but you can’t kneel
For the anthem.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26857192 - 08/01/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Criticizing prophets is actually one of my favorite things to do. I am ex-Mormon, after all.

IDGAF if people criticize Trump. There's plenty to be critical about.

Also, China/Tik Tok was already caught in a breach of privacy with data-sharing in multiple different ways.

I would be more forgiving if it was any other country... and I do not see banning an app that is a threat to national security as a breach on our freedom of speech. It is not censorship when someone could create an identical app that wasn't a threat to our national security.

All of this really just keeps coming back to it being a threat to our national security. Convince me it is not a threat, and I'll change my mind. Tackle it from any other angle and likely nothing is going to get me to budge.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26857230 - 08/01/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You’re not gonna get it.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26857355 - 08/01/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Threats to our national security"

You fall for propaganda pretty easily.

What info is china getting from peoples stupid tik tok videos that are a threat to national security?
Why is posting the same vids on facebook or instagram any different?
The content is there to be used regardless of the platform it's posted on.

I bet you fanboy over the patriot act, too :lol:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26857476 - 08/01/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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The prosecution wasn't my focus. The focus is just how adorable these "revolutionaries" are.

"Grandma, thanks for the vest! Can you pack me a sack lunch too? I want the crust off and triangle slices!" :rofl:



So what's the joke here exactly - having a close relationship with their grandparents?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26857593 - 08/01/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So what's the joke here exactly - having a close relationship with their grandparents?



I think the joke is OP. :shrug:
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26857673 - 08/01/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"Threats to our national security"

You fall for propaganda pretty easily.

What info is china getting from peoples stupid tik tok videos that are a threat to national security?
Why is posting the same vids on facebook or instagram any different?
The content is there to be used regardless of the platform it's posted on.

I bet you fanboy over the patriot act, too :lol:




Yeah... sure... propaganda.

From the article:

-The US Navy banned TikTok from government devices in December.

-The US Army had been advising members against using TikTok since mid-December.

-The Coast Guard gave similar reasons for a ban as have the marines.

-In February, TSA banned TikTok.

-On June 29, India banned TikTok and 58 other Chinese apps.

-In early July, Amazon told employees to delete TikTok from their phones, before backpedaling and calling the policy an "error." (Social backlash.)

-Wells Fargo told employees to remove TikTok from company devices.

-The Republican AND Democratic national committees warned staff not to download TikTok because of security concerns.

-Japan is about to ban TikTok


Uh huh... yeah... sure... propaganda.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26857771 - 08/01/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Trump isn’t banning tik tok. They’re going to require the Chinese government divest their ownership position.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26858323 - 08/02/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

list of websites blocked in mainland China:

Instagram, WhatsApp, Messenger, Google, YouTube, Gmail, Google Play (etc), Twitter, Snapchat, Reddit, Tumblr, Pinterest, Twitch, Discord, Dropbox, Wikipedia, etc... etc... etc...

It's an information war, mates.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26858402 - 08/02/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

So you believe we should adopt censorship policies similar to those used by the Chinese state, in order to lessen the risk of losing our rights to a Chinese takeover. Am I understanding this correctly?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26858481 - 08/02/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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list of websites blocked in mainland China:

Instagram, WhatsApp, Messenger, Google, YouTube, Gmail, Google Play (etc), Twitter, Snapchat, Reddit, Tumblr, Pinterest, Twitch, Discord, Dropbox, Wikipedia, etc... etc... etc...

It's an information war, mates.




We play by their rules?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26858558 - 08/02/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So you believe we should adopt censorship policies similar to those used by the Chinese state, in order to lessen the risk of losing our rights to a Chinese takeover. Am I understanding this correctly?





No.

I am suggesting that our relationship with China is very different than any other country. It's war games being played. China censors ANYTHING they don't like against their government, their leader, etc...

To play like China would mean you should be punished for speaking bad of the orange man.


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    #26858609 - 08/02/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Bullshit dude.

You've argued multiple times in favor of federal agents arresting people without
reading them their rights and you side with the police who crush rights of citizens with impunity.

You're currently arguing in favor of federal censorship of a company because
of some belief that tik tok dance videos hold national security secrets.

Seems like you'd be a-ok with us becoming more china like

China is a terrible government, agreed. So is every government. Fuck you though
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    #26858671 - 08/02/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So you believe we should adopt censorship policies similar to those used by the Chinese state, in order to lessen the risk of losing our rights to a Chinese takeover. Am I understanding this correctly?





No.

I am suggesting that our relationship with China is very different than any other country. It's war games being played. China censors ANYTHING they don't like against their government, their leader, etc...

To play like China would mean you should be punished for speaking bad of the orange man.




And our MSM (which is owned by corporations) also censors whatever they don't like against the government (which is controlled by the corporations). So what's the difference here?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26858703 - 08/02/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Bullshit dude.

You've argued multiple times in favor of federal agents arresting people without
reading them their rights and you side with the police who crush rights of citizens with impunity.




This is a lie, and so let me correct the record.

I am in favor of authorities arresting people that break the law. Also, if you're all going to wear black to help people break the law, that makes you a potential accomplice if they are struggling to find out who committed the crime. However, I am NOT in favor of unmarked arrests.

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You're currently arguing in favor of federal censorship of a company because
of some belief that tik tok dance videos hold national security secrets.




BRO, did you even READ my posts on the last page? I made a HUGE and vastly comprehensive list of major institutions all banning and discouraging Tik Tok long before the President got involved. Stop fucking acting like this was my idea OR Trump's idea to deem Tik Tok a threat, because it wasn't. Just read the actual fucking chronological order of events regarding tik tok, for chrissakes.

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Seems like you'd be a-ok with us becoming more china like




If you're going to try to win this argument by projecting onto me what you think I am when I am clearly not, then you've already lost. Try again, without the character slander.

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Fuck you though if you think arguing in favor of federal overreach makes you a patriot.




For the most part, the feds didn't overreach and I condemn the few instances they did. Their job and their right was to protect their own property because the city refused.

If anyone deserves a good fucking, it's the local leadership of Portland.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26858807 - 08/02/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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So you believe we should adopt censorship policies similar to those used by the Chinese state, in order to lessen the risk of losing our rights to a Chinese takeover. Am I understanding this correctly?





No.

I am suggesting that our relationship with China is very different than any other country. It's war games being played. China censors ANYTHING they don't like against their government, their leader, etc...

To play like China would mean you should be punished for speaking bad of the orange man.




Lol you seriously don’t think that’s really what’s going on here? The tik tok users trolling him with the Tulsa rally.


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