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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26842297 - 07/24/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You guys do understand when Antifa riots there's no rhyme or reason to their destruction, right? They break anything that looks worthy of breaking, including the property of black business owners. They don't have a METHOD other than mob chaos. Much like a tornado or an earthquake, the damage they do... the WHERE, the WHEN and the HOW... not to mention the WHAT is all unpredictable.

They DON'T target specific people in power. YOU'RE the target as much as I am, even if you support them.

The Portland mayor supported Antifa this entire time and he get EATEN by them yesterday when he went on the streets. They don't love you, they don't care about you, and eventually they'll betray you. Because they are a mob.

MOST Americans want to get back to a normal life. Forget the politicians. Trump is doing the right thing sending the fed to tame these cities now. It's going to win him more of the suburban vote for sure.

Fuck Antifa.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26842336 - 07/24/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842419 - 07/24/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26842470 - 07/24/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The country was booming before Coronavirus and the media and the leftist politicians have willingly sacrificed our economy and have decided to let everyone suffer the fallout all to get Trump out of office.

Too bad their hail mary is going to backfire.




Since when is 2% GDP growth with the vast majority of those gains going to the .01% a booming economy for the working class? 

Most working class people went backwards under Trump, they had minimal wage growth while simultaneously taking on even more debt just to survive.  Why did you buy into the economic propaganda spewed out by The Elite?  You do realize the Democrats never criticized the Trump economy, why is that?

The wealth and income inequality got even worse under Trump and is at a 80 year high, that isn't a booming economic condition for the bottom 80% of the US population.

I think people have to realize that a lot of these protesters are economically frustrated people, Floyd was just the excuse to start hitting the streets.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 4
    #26842481 - 07/24/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You guys do understand when Antifa riots there's no rhyme or reason to their destruction, right? They break anything that looks worthy of breaking, including the property of black business owners. They don't have a METHOD other than mob chaos. Much like a tornado or an earthquake, the damage they do... the WHERE, the WHEN and the HOW... not to mention the WHAT is all unpredictable.

They DON'T target specific people in power. YOU'RE the target as much as I am, even if you support them.

The Portland mayor supported Antifa this entire time and he get EATEN by them yesterday when he went on the streets. They don't love you, they don't care about you, and eventually they'll betray you. Because they are a mob.

MOST Americans want to get back to a normal life. Forget the politicians. Trump is doing the right thing sending the fed to tame these cities now. It's going to win him more of the suburban vote for sure.

Fuck Antifa.




Many times protests do lack direction and purpose, but it also changes and gets more focused on certain issues. A movement that fights for social justice can quickly turn into fighting for economic justice.  You're looking for perfection in frustration, people hitting the streets have LOTS of different reasons for doing so. At the end of the day, it's a protest against The Elite/Establishment and that's meaningful regardless of its directionless appearance at this point.

As far as Trump is concerned, this is his last little policy move. It's not going to matter because he's still going to get destroyed in the election. Sending Federal agents into US cities is already a failed PR strategy.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26842511 - 07/24/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You guys do understand when Antifa riots there's no rhyme or reason to their destruction, right? They break anything that looks worthy of breaking, including the property of black business owners. They don't have a METHOD other than mob chaos. Much like a tornado or an earthquake, the damage they do... the WHERE, the WHEN and the HOW... not to mention the WHAT is all unpredictable.

They DON'T target specific people in power. YOU'RE the target as much as I am, even if you support them.

The Portland mayor supported Antifa this entire time and he get EATEN by them yesterday when he went on the streets. They don't love you, they don't care about you, and eventually they'll betray you. Because they are a mob.

MOST Americans want to get back to a normal life. Forget the politicians. Trump is doing the right thing sending the fed to tame these cities now. It's going to win him more of the suburban vote for sure.

Fuck Antifa.




Many times protests do lack direction and purpose, but it also changes and gets more focused on certain issues. A movement that fights for social justice can quickly turn into fighting for economic justice.  You're looking for perfection in frustration, people hitting the streets have LOTS of different reasons for doing so. At the end of the day, it's a protest against The Elite/Establishment and that's meaningful regardless of its directionless appearance at this point.

As far as Trump is concerned, this is his last little policy move. It's not going to matter because he's still going to get destroyed in the election. Sending Federal agents into US cities is already a failed PR strategy.





I'm not saying gun them down. They are children that needs time-outs. They need to be disciplined. We may have sympathy for their emotions, like a child's emotions, but it doesn't justify their behavior nor does it mean we don't prevent them from doing more harm to themselves and others.

I actually disagree with your take on the PR move on Trump's part to deploy the fed. I think it's good strategy.  The rioting has been almost 2 months nonstop in Portland now. Actual people who work downtown or have businesses down there are so sick of it all. Even people who DON'T interact with downtown are likely tired of it too.

You might be right about the economic side of things. I don't have an in-depth picture of it yet. All I know for sure is that my taxes went down and most everyone else I knew had to pay less taxes this year as well and we all liked that.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26842711 - 07/24/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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All I know for sure is that my taxes went down and most everyone else I knew had to pay less taxes this year as well and we all liked that.



America ranks only 22 in the world by median wealth, and I don't like that at all (we used to be #1).

Why do people in other countries have so much more money?  Because taxes in other countries are used to help THE PEOPLE rather than the military industrial complex and big corporate subsidies, by providing things such as universal healthcare, free public college, excellent public transportation, great unemployment protection, government subsidized housing, etc.  Not to mention, a lot of other countries don't waste so much on their military.

The beauty of taxes is that the rich pay the majority of all of the above.

But in America, the ultra rich now pay a lower percentage than the bottom 50%.  That's just stupid.  Reagan absolutely destroyed this country.



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26842718 - 07/24/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I can't blow up your graph, sadly.

I'll add something in the meantime. A lot of nations don't need to budget for their military because WE are their main muscle. This *allows* them to practice something more like democratic socialism because their military budget is negligable compared to other expenses.

We, on the other hand, provide military protection for not only our nation, but countless others.

What they are doing close to zero of, we are doing dozens of.

This is one of the reasons why discussing America's military budget is far more complex than people realize. We're protecting a large portion of the world, too. Not just ourselves. (And historically we've gained less than what it has cost us.)


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842731 - 07/24/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The graph is legible now.

Are you for or against America spending money to 'protect' other countries from make believe threats?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26842736 - 07/24/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

LOL your caveat at the end there makes that a loaded question.

I want all unnecessary war games to stop, naturally.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842743 - 07/24/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Antifa members barricade law enforcement officers into the federal courthouse and attempt to set it on fire.

"The attackers blocked the entrances to the courthouse, preventing the special DHS forces inside from easily getting out. Some federal officers escaped and tried to repel those vandalizing the outside of the courthouse but were beamed in the eye by lasers, which can cause temporary and long-term blindness.

Other rioters then installed wooden boards on the outside of the courthouse entrance to prevent the rest of the DHS officials from leaving, while others tried to break down the doors. DHS officials on the scene said a shopping cart full of bricks and baseball bats were left in front of the building. Federal police indoors who were trying to peak outside were struck with lasers, preventing them from seeing what was going on outside."

“Around midnight rioters attempted to set the courthouse on fire, as they have done numerous times before,” the official stated. “They also threw smoke bombs into the flames causing the interior of the courthouse to fill with smoke. In response, a team of federal officers was forced to leave the building, taking one individual into custody. When they did, a rioter threw a bag filled with hard objects at officers. Rioters torched trash bags outside the courthouse and hurled two Molotov cocktails at the building.”


Fuck Antifa. They're going to get what's coming to them. Immeasurable suffering awaits.

You're not safe from the mob even if you consider yourself an ally. Remember that.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842749 - 07/24/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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LOL your caveat at the end there makes that a loaded question.

I want all unnecessary war games to stop, naturally.



Let's word it another way.  Are you for or against America being the "main muscle" (your words) of other countries?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26842755 - 07/24/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You guys do understand when Antifa riots there's no rhyme or reason to their destruction, right? They break anything that looks worthy of breaking, including the property of black business owners. They don't have a METHOD other than mob chaos. Much like a tornado or an earthquake, the damage they do... the WHERE, the WHEN and the HOW... not to mention the WHAT is all unpredictable.

They DON'T target specific people in power. YOU'RE the target as much as I am, even if you support them.

The Portland mayor supported Antifa this entire time and he get EATEN by them yesterday when he went on the streets. They don't love you, they don't care about you, and eventually they'll betray you. Because they are a mob.

MOST Americans want to get back to a normal life. Forget the politicians. Trump is doing the right thing sending the fed to tame these cities now. It's going to win him more of the suburban vote for sure.

Fuck Antifa.




Many times protests do lack direction and purpose, but it also changes and gets more focused on certain issues. A movement that fights for social justice can quickly turn into fighting for economic justice.  You're looking for perfection in frustration, people hitting the streets have LOTS of different reasons for doing so. At the end of the day, it's a protest against The Elite/Establishment and that's meaningful regardless of its directionless appearance at this point.

As far as Trump is concerned, this is his last little policy move. It's not going to matter because he's still going to get destroyed in the election. Sending Federal agents into US cities is already a failed PR strategy.





I'm not saying gun them down. They are children that needs time-outs. They need to be disciplined. We may have sympathy for their emotions, like a child's emotions, but it doesn't justify their behavior nor does it mean we don't prevent them from doing more harm to themselves and others.

I actually disagree with your take on the PR move on Trump's part to deploy the fed. I think it's good strategy.  The rioting has been almost 2 months nonstop in Portland now. Actual people who work downtown or have businesses down there are so sick of it all. Even people who DON'T interact with downtown are likely tired of it too.

You might be right about the economic side of things. I don't have an in-depth picture of it yet. All I know for sure is that my taxes went down and most everyone else I knew had to pay less taxes this year as well and we all liked that.




Federal agents aren't going to fix the day to day violence in US cities, that's pipedream fantasyland. All it's going to do is make more people frustrated with law enforcement.

It's kind of ironic that the Feds are going in to punish the very people they have been destroying socially and economically for the past 40 years.

The war on drugs and shipping industry out of the US has destroyed those communities. So when they begin to protest their struggles, the very same people that caused the mess in the first place, now want to attack the people they fucked over. :facepalm:

News alert- you don't fix broken communities by sending in Federal Agents to arrest people protesting their situation. That isn't a short term or long term solution.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26842759 - 07/24/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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LOL your caveat at the end there makes that a loaded question.

I want all unnecessary war games to stop, naturally.



Let's word it another way.  Are you for or against America being the "main muscle" (your words) of other countries?




I have to answer backwards as to not have my answer misinterpreted.

Smaller countries NEED larger countries.

I can't think of another global superpower that would handle the world as benevolently as America is right now.

China is hauling Muslims off to concentration camps to harvest their organs, so fuck them.

Russia I don't know much about. I'm guessing they're pretty chill these days, actually.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26842766 - 07/24/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Federal agents aren't going to fix the day to day violence in US cities, that's pipedream fantasyland. All it's going to do is make more people frustrated with law enforcement.

It's kind of ironic that the Feds are going in to punish the very people they have been destroying socially and economically for the past 40 years.

The war on drugs and shipping industry out of the US has destroyed those communities. So when they begin to protest their struggles, the very same people that caused the mess in the first place, now want to attack the people they fucked over. :facepalm:

News alert- you don't fix broken communities by sending in Federal Agents to arrest people protesting their situation. That isn't a short term or long term solution.




I don't think the feds have been deployed to stop any long term crime. They've been deployed in cities where mayors and governors are actively supporting the insurgency and won't enforce the law on the rioters. (And because federal property is being damaged in these cities and the local leaders do NOTHING.) It is likely Trump's cabinet has looked at the data and have determined they will gain more support than they lose. That's an easy thing to look at and I don't think Trump would be flexing his muscles just on an ego trip. It's calculated.

As for protesters.... not a single protester should be arrested.

As for rioters? Lock them all up. I have no sympathy for the mob-like chaos they are causing.

And of course, end the drug war.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842772 - 07/24/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I just posted this in anotther thread, but Rioters just last night tried to murder federal agents.

The feds are just doing thier job. They aren't the ones harming innocent people.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26842785 - 07/24/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Federal agents aren't going to fix the day to day violence in US cities, that's pipedream fantasyland. All it's going to do is make more people frustrated with law enforcement.

It's kind of ironic that the Feds are going in to punish the very people they have been destroying socially and economically for the past 40 years.

The war on drugs and shipping industry out of the US has destroyed those communities. So when they begin to protest their struggles, the very same people that caused the mess in the first place, now want to attack the people they fucked over. :facepalm:

News alert- you don't fix broken communities by sending in Federal Agents to arrest people protesting their situation. That isn't a short term or long term solution.




I don't think the feds have been deployed to stop any long term crime. They've been deployed in cities where mayors and governors are actively supporting the insurgency and won't enforce the law on the rioters. (And because federal property is being damaged in these cities and the local leaders do NOTHING.) It is likely Trump's cabinet has looked at the data and have determined they will gain more support than they lose. That's an easy thing to look at and I don't think Trump would be flexing his muscles just on an ego trip. It's calculated.

As for protesters.... not a single protester should be arrested.

As for rioters? Lock them all up. I have no sympathy for the mob-like chaos they are causing.

And of course, end the drug war.




Well, Trump's cabinet makes a lot of miscalculations. So much so it has Trump in a massive hole.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Trump is in BIG trouble, it's mathematically impossible from my perspective.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26842790 - 07/24/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The polls are going to be off anywhere from 5-15%. The silent majority is real. Nobody feels comfortable talking about their political beliefs now unless they are moderate or far left.

I think what will you see in November might surprise you!


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    #26842841 - 07/24/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I just posted this in anotther thread, but Rioters just last night tried to murder federal agents.





beautiful. trumps secret police have failed their mission.


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    #26842895 - 07/24/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I just posted this in anotther thread, but Rioters just last night tried to murder federal agents.





beautiful. trumps secret police have failed their mission.


your link goes to: 404 ERROR PAGE NOT FOUND, btw




Fixed.

And they haven't failed. Trump is about to deploy tens of thousands of more troops if these cities don't get their shit together.

Despite being attacked, the fed has mostly stood down... for now.


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