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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26840385 - 07/23/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And let the goons with insults and jabs just subtle and inadvertent enough to not get banned run the playground?

Nah, I don't think so. Kinda pisses me off, to be honest, how the opposition treats ideas they disagree with.





You should have taken my advice and kept your ideas in the conspiracy forum , you would kill it there .


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26840393 - 07/23/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And let the goons with insults and jabs just subtle and inadvertent enough to not get banned run the playground?

Nah, I don't think so. Kinda pisses me off, to be honest, how the opposition treats ideas they disagree with.





You should have taken my advice and kept your ideas in the conspiracy forum , you would kill it there .




https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/ is far better than the shroomery.

I'm really here to gather data on what people who have taken psych's different viewpoints are like and how they react to certain ideas or thoughts. So far I've been thoroughly educated, but I'm enjoying it so much I'm thinking of making a permanent home, here.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26840394 - 07/23/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

28 pages in and you haven't supported any of your assertions.

You did just admit that you aren't here to discuss in good faith though, so we'e making progress.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 3
    #26840403 - 07/23/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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ttps://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/ is far better than the shroomery.

I'm really here to gather data on what people who have taken psych's different viewpoints are like and how they react to certain ideas or thoughts. So far I've been thoroughly educated, but I'm enjoying it so much I'm thinking of making a permanent home, here.




Gathering data On people at the shroomery ? Ok watever you say cop .


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26840444 - 07/23/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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28 pages in and you haven't supported any of your assertions.

You did just admit that you aren't here to discuss in good faith though, so we'e making progress.





I admitted no such thing, and you see, this is what the goons do. They lie just like you have. Carefully crafted to be just outside the fringes of truth to appear to hold some water, but still a deliberate lie to slander your opposition falsely. (Grimy, dirty, disgusting, deplorable behavior, really.)

You can't insult directly, so you make up lies about your opposition by stretching the truth just enough to push my buttons, hoping I'll snap and say something that will cross the line and get me banned.

Not gonna happen.

You know, it is incredibly polarizing and telling of your character to say I haven't proven a single assertion. Nobody else on the forum with few exceptions posts data to make their points either and for some reason I'm being held to a higher standard by the goon squad than everyone else... and while you can argue that some of my points haven't been made with good evidence, it's intellectually dishonest to say that I've offered NOTHING of substance and that not ANY of my points are valid. It shows a real lack of character and integrity on the part of my opposition to be so polarized, and It's disturbing to know that both moderators are playing this game. I'd tell you to get out of your ego, but I don't think anything I say to you is going to have any impact on the fact that you've decided I have nothing to contribute just because I refuse to do it your way. I've conceded multiple times to good information and good points others have made and yet I haven't yet seen a single member of my opposition concede on one thing even one time. It's incredibly telling and basically causes me to conclude most of you are putting your ego and your emotions before your brains and don't actually care about good information. There's no faith in Occam's Razor here just a demand for, "evidence" ad nauseam despite the fact that NO ONE ELSE is posting "evidence" either. It just goes to show you how narrow minded and polarized my opposition is and really, I pity you all for it. It's your loss, not mine. I'm just here to gather information on whether or not people who have taken psychedelics fight with ideas or with emotions and insults. You've all been great specimens to study, to say the very least... and I've been quite disappointed, to be honest. (P.S. none of this is to say that evidence isn't important, just that the hacks of this board speak their mind and assert their positions WITHOUT POSTING ANY EITHER and then demand evidence when they hear an idea they don't like without entertaining the logic behind it at all.)

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26840486 - 07/23/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If someone has made a claim you disagree with and provided no evidence, you should demand that they support their claim.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26840511 - 07/23/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That depends on the claim. Some claims can be dismantled rationally/intellectually so no evidence is needed. Some other claims are just common sense... like Antifa existing. Or the fact that crime has gone up in Portland, Chicago and New York since the riots and the defund the police campaigns have begun. Or the fact that the rioting has been responsible for more black deaths and black suffering than cops have in three years COMBINED.

I don't like being asked for evidence of things that can be proven in mere moments with the access  you have to an infinite database of information one tab away. Things that require more digging, I understand the need of course.

SOME political debates don't rely on evidence but are philosophical. I'm not anti-evidence, but it's not always needed. (YOU guys debating 90% of the time WITHOUT it is "evidence" of that.) So keep up if you can. When you fling insults rather than challenge an idea, all that tells me is you're not capable of keeping up.

Every insult you send my way just fuels the furnace even more, mate.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26840528 - 07/23/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't like being asked for evidence of things that can be proven in mere moments with the access  you have to an infinite database of information one tab away.




You're either going to have to get used to it, or you're going to be unhappy here.

One thing you can count on:  You either learn how to fit in to what we have here, or you will find yourself unwelcome.  The choice, as always, is yours, but we're not going to let you be disruptive for too long before the hammer is dropped.



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26840541 - 07/23/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't like being asked for evidence of things that can be proven in mere moments with the access  you have to an infinite database of information one tab away. Things that require more digging, I understand the need of course.

SOME political debates don't rely on evidence but are philosophical.





If evidence for a claim abounds then it should be no great hassle to produce some.  Why should anyone else be responsible for researching your claims for you?

If you would rather support your claims with logic, go ahead and give it a shot.  shivas.wisdom tried to help you with that but you don't take advice.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26840550 - 07/23/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Every insult you send my way just fuels the furnace even more, mate.




There have been a few flippant remarks but very few direct insults. Name calling isn't tolerated around here.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26840554 - 07/23/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm saying that in my personal more code I believe in universal laws of justice, one of those being if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.





My life is being threatened by a reckless president who isn’t taking a pandemic seriously.
Wtf is a Universal law of justice ? Sounds a little David Koreshy , and just how in the fuck does one measure a potential threat to their life and then use that to justify killing someone ?
 


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26840574 - 07/23/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm saying that in my personal more code I believe in universal laws of justice, one of those being if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.





My life is being threatened by a reckless president who isn’t taking a pandemic seriously.
Wtf is a Universal law of justice ? Sounds a little David Koreshy , and just how in the fuck does one measure a potential threat to their life and then use that to justify killing someone ?
 




If you feel like your options are to be horribly injured/die or to kill, you're justified in killing. Most of the time our current law will protect you, too, and perhaps most importantly your soul is vindicated. (You can disagree. It's how I see it.)

It is that last thing in particular, killing in self defense being in alignment with the vindication of the soul that causes me to assert there are some universal laws out there.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26840582 - 07/23/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Luckily, the actual law doesn't work like that.  Only in your fantasy law can you kill someone because your life is potentially threatened.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26840583 - 07/23/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I just have to feel it?
does anyone have to agree with me?
is my soul still vindicated if I was mistaken?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26840586 - 07/23/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You know how far righties are...they always want to talk about their feelings.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26840590 - 07/23/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Luckily, the actual law doesn't work like that.  Only in your fantasy law can you kill someone because your life is potentially threatened.




I think most people have enough common sense to not kill in self defense unless they really have to because they actually don't want to go to prison for murder.

Despite flaws in our legal system, it does a good job having sympathy for people who fought and injured or killed someone else in self defense.


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    #26840596 - 07/23/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As long as the defendant has less pigmented skin than the victim, yeah.  If it's the other way around, though, self-defense rarely applies.


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    #26840599 - 07/23/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have to feel it?
does anyone have to agree with me?
is my soul still vindicated if I was mistaken?




You're twisting my idea. I'll try lay it out plainly one more time.

If you kill in self defense, (and most people have enough wisdom to know when that really is, so your hyperbolic "what ifs" are a joke), you're going to feel differently than if you kill maliciously. It's not the act of killing that taints the soul, it's the intention. The soul knows this and many governments, including America, have a system of judgment parallel to how our own inner self feels about these things. (For at least most of us. There might be a few actual psychopaths or people past feeling.)


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26840600 - 07/23/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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As long as the defendant has less pigmented skin than the victim, yeah.  If it's the other way around, though, self-defense rarely applies.




Evidence, please.

Edit: I'm actually a little on your side with this, but I gotta see what you can do.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26840619 - 07/23/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have to feel it?
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You're twisting my idea. I'll try lay it out plainly one more time.

If you kill in self defense, (and most people have enough wisdom to know when that really is...)




This makes it sound like you don't think people make mistakes in self defense, but you just posted a video of an activist making mistakes in a use of force simulation.

If i shoot and kill someone because of the potential threat they represent to my life and turn out to be mistaken in my assessment thereof, is my soul still vindicated under your universal law of justice?  yes or no?  This should be simple as fuck to answer.


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