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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838563 - 07/22/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can't clearly state your position, and you're insulted by questions about your position, how do you plan to participate beyond just spewing slogans and bumper stickers?
I think I've laid out my position clearly enough in all of this conversation to those that can think rationally and I don't feel like repeating my self.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26838573 - 07/22/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: No cops = civil war and a fast one at that.
Bodies flying everywhere, 90% of them leftists because they don't know how to actually fight.
By all means, let's play imagination and keep heading down this path... see where it takes us.
you are advocating fascist authoritarianism. the people talking to you about your ideas are all american and mostly politically unnafilliated to the best of my knowledge. youre not going to find much outside of the typical racist right-wingers to back you up on this site
Advocating? No.
Able to see where this road is gonna take us? Buckle up, is all I'll say.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26838581 - 07/22/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Thats because the states is so large and diverse. A lot of states are completely safe and experience relatively low murders while a hand full of states throw the numbers out of whack. 63 people were shot over the weekend in Chicago for fucks sake
Yes, most of the violence (not all, but most) is concentrated in cities with democratic leadership and democratic populations and is perpetuated by people that don't vote republican.
Correlation isn't causation, please demonstrate how Democratic leadership in US cities is the cause of the high levels of poverty and violence.
By allowing violent riots to continue. Minnesota is just shy of a billion in damage now I'd wager. It was 500M when I checked a month ago.
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What would Republican leadership do specifically to change that outcome?
Not allowing such childish rioting in their cities. (Or cultivating a population and a group-think mentality that isn't gonna do it in the first place.)
Naturally, there are other examples one could use, I just figured this one was pretty straightforward.
Leftist rioters are destroying their own cities. They aren't welcome in republican cities when they are done. They will be met, in fact, with fierce and likely violent resistance. It will not go like it has in Portland and Seattle.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26838588 - 07/22/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: For your own good?
My confrontational introduction and my statement about trying to teach you how not to sound stupid are not intrinsically inconsistent or even necessarily related to each other.
That's the biggest crock of shit you've spouted yet. I wouldn't even take you seriously (yet) if you admitted you fucked up and yet you're doubling down and expect me to take your advice on anything. 
I don't expect anything. I would hope that you came to a discussion forum to discuss. You seem to have come to spout opinions without supporting arguments. I wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously under those conditions.
As for fucking up, I didn't. The tone of that post was exactly as i meant it and mean it. Just because I think you made a bad/dumb/deplorable/bootlicking post, doesn't mean that I hate you or something. If anything it makes me want to show you better ways to think, but that doesn't mean I have to like you or change my tone. Learn if you want to, or don't. It's 100% up to you but I promise you that this place is going to get boring really fast if you're as bright as you seem to think you are and you remain unable to present an argument worth discussing for very long.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 1
#26838592 - 07/22/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said:Do you know what influences economic conditions in US cities? It's not the mayors, it's Federal economic policies!!! It's tax, trade, fiscal and monetary policy that dictates economic outcomes in US cities, not city mayors.
Economic conditions are only one piece of the puzzle. Actually I misread your post and maybe someone misread an idea from me.
I never said democratic cities were the cause of poverty, did I? I only referenced violence.
We CAN have a discussion as to how those two ideas are connected if you want.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838594 - 07/22/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodies flying everywhere, 90% of them leftists
you are advocating fascist authoritarianism. the people talking to you about your ideas are all american and mostly politically unnafilliated to the best of my knowledge. youre not going to find much outside of the typical racist right-wingers to back you up on this site
Advocating? No.
Able to see where this road is gonna take us? Buckle up, is all I'll say.
yes. yes you are advocating a fascist police state and state funded terror. you seem to enjoy thinking about it
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26838595 - 07/22/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't expect anything.
Good.
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I would hope that you came to a discussion forum to discuss.
Oh fuck, me too. If you don't make the conversation about my favorite subject, (me!), I'm not going to either.
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You seem to have come to spout opinions without supporting arguments. I wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously under those conditions.
My opposition has presented as little to no facts at times as I have. Enlil isn't showing data that proves all police are corrupt and need to have their guns stripped from them. You're singling me out, silly human.
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As for fucking up, I didn't. The tone of that post was exactly as i meant it and mean it.
And I mean it when I say I'm not taking any advice from someone that comes in guns-a-blazing like that rather than addressing the post in a thoughtful manner, even if you disagree.
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Just because I think you made a bad/dumb/deplorable/bootlicking post, doesn't mean that I hate you or something. If anything it makes me want to show you better ways to think, but that doesn't mean I have to like you or change my tone.
And just because I won't take advice from you doesn't mean I think you're a scumbag either, but I have rules, you see, and one of them is to not let someone insult you and then listen to them when they pretend they want to help you.
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Learn if you want to, or don't. It's 100% up to you but I promise you that this place is going to get boring really fast if you're as bright as you seem to think you are and you remain unable to present an argument worth discussing for very long.
I'm here for education, and let me tell you I've learned a fuckton already.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26838597 - 07/22/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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.... btw how is anti-fascism a bad thing?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26838608 - 07/22/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: .... btw how is anti-fascism a bad thing?
It's not, but sadly the far-left can't see how they are as fascist as the far-right, despite claiming the opposite. At least the far-right owns it rather than denying it and pretending to be the opposite.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26838610 - 07/22/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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He's probably a member of Profa
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838612 - 07/22/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: they are as fascist as the far-right
This is often claimed by fascists. I have yet to see anyone support the claim that Antifa are fascist in any way.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838624 - 07/22/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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evidence please vahn
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838626 - 07/22/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: they are as fascist as the far-right
This is often claimed by fascists. I have yet to see anyone support the claim that Antifa are fascist in any way.
It is also claimed by a lot of non-fascists. In fact, far more non-fascists claim it than fascists claim it.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838631 - 07/22/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yet, not a single person has been able to produce evidence to support it?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838632 - 07/22/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: they are as fascist as the far-right
This is often claimed by fascists. I have yet to see anyone support the claim that Antifa are fascist in any way.
Collectivism, intimidation, intolerance... these are textbook characteristics of fascism.
I don't feel like writing a thesis on this. Let's just say Antifa doesn't want to sit down and have reasonable conversations. They are past that. They scream in mobs and move in mobs. You won't get any other end result out of it.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838633 - 07/22/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't expect anything. I would hope that you came to a discussion forum to discuss. You seem to have come to spout opinions without supporting arguments. I wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously under those conditions.
As for fucking up, I didn't. The tone of that post was exactly as i meant it and mean it. Just because I think you made a bad/dumb/deplorable/bootlicking post, doesn't mean that I hate you or something. If anything it makes me want to show you better ways to think, but that doesn't mean I have to like you or change my tone. Learn if you want to, or don't. It's 100% up to you but I promise you that this place is going to get boring really fast if you're as bright as you seem to think you are and you remain unable to present an argument worth discussing for very long.
You mean this whole time I thought it was about a popularity contest?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838634 - 07/22/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: And yet, not a single person has been able to produce evidence to support it?
The evidence is all around you in the collective behavior of antifa.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838635 - 07/22/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, not wanting to sit down and have a reasonable conversation is fascism? Really? That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the word fascism.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838638 - 07/22/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Government at the helm, will def support your take on ANTIFA. Should this group be broken up, IYO?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838643 - 07/22/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, not wanting to sit down and have a reasonable conversation is fascism? Really? That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the word fascism.
Actually, not it's not. If you can't talk to people as equals and have conversations with them, all that's left is a power struggle between tyrants who want to control speech (radical left) and those that oppose censorship.
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