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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26838501 - 07/22/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: who made these universal laws? or are they just self-evident?
I already added my caveat and said it was my own moral code. Don't push the point with nonsense. I made my self crystal clear.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838502 - 07/22/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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black lives matter.
Mod edit - removed personal attack.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26838506 - 07/22/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: And that's why cops shouldn't be armed. Then we wouldn't have these "unfortunate" deaths, would we?
You're asking the weak to defend themselves from evil without any help.
Fuck that noise, dude. I get cops have issues but your morality on this issue is so one-sided you fail to see how many people would actually be fucked in every which way without police.
it's rather insulting to the intelligence to watch you not give even an inch.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26838509 - 07/22/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Joker's assessment of the human condition
...is fucking stupid.
That's it. Joker's assessment of the human condition is one of a State of Nature. As Hobbes said, "Nasty, Brutish, and Short". The only way to agree with this assessment is to reject society outright, and to revert to a state of nature.
I don't mean reject society in the off grid loony prepper crap, I mean reject the fact that society exists, existed, or can exist. Joker has a very big problem with the evidence that humans are fundamentally social creatures, and he chooses to reject the evidence in favor of his delusions.
Reminds me of a certain political group.
The point I've been trying to make this entire time is that there are groups withing civilization that ARE nasty and brutish. I don't think the average human is, but there's ENOUGH of them still.
Trust me. They're kept in line more than we realize by the mere presence of police.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos] 3
#26838510 - 07/22/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, I feel a little bad for Vahn, assuming that they came here for good faith discussion. This is a tough forum to come in swinging big dick and I think they are seeing that. There is the outside chance that they can figure out how to support their arguments and become a valuable contributor. If not, the inevitable melt should be entertaining.
Either way. I've mostly blown off work for the last 2 days to participate in this back and forth so one or the other is gonna have to happen soon
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838512 - 07/22/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: who made these universal laws? or are they just self-evident?
I already added my caveat and said it was my own moral code. Don't push the point with nonsense. I made my self crystal clear.
hold up. so you're saying that your personal moral code is also the universal law of justice?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26838514 - 07/22/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't say we shouldn't have police. I said we shouldn't have the police we have now. What we have now is a force for oppression and violence. That's it. We should have people properly trained to actually assist those in need. We should have other people properly trained to investigate crime. We should have people properly trained to use force when absolutely necessary.
Right now, we have people inadequately trained at any of the above being tasked to do all of the above, then we wonder why unarmed people get shot, victims get victimized, and crimes go unsolved.
The notion of police as a paramilitary organization is outdated and obsolete. We do not need it. A gun is not necessary to issue a speeding ticket. A uniformed warrior is not necessary to respond to a noise complaint.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26838518 - 07/22/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: You know, I feel a little bad for Vahn, assuming that they came here for good faith discussion. This is a tough forum to come in swinging big dick and I think they are seeing that. There is the outside chance that they can figure out how to support their arguments and become a valuable contributor. If not, the inevitable melt should be entertaining.
I see you you've turned the topic of conversation back to my favorite subject.
By all means, I love the attention. I've never been one to start a conversation about me in a public forum, but I sure as hell love sucking off this tit whenever one of you decides to.
Seriously, all of you have such a god damn hard time sticking to the subject matter.
*WHAPPPPISH*
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26838521 - 07/22/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: who made these universal laws? or are they just self-evident?
I already added my caveat and said it was my own moral code. Don't push the point with nonsense. I made my self crystal clear.
hold up. so you're saying that your personal moral code is also the universal law of justice?
I'm saying that in my personal more code I believe in universal laws of justice, one of those being if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838528 - 07/22/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I didn't say we shouldn't have police. I said we shouldn't have the police we have now. What we have now is a force for oppression and violence. That's it. We should have people properly trained to actually assist those in need. We should have other people properly trained to investigate crime. We should have people properly trained to use force when absolutely necessary.
Right now, we have people inadequately trained at any of the above being tasked to do all of the above, then we wonder why unarmed people get shot, victims get victimized, and crimes go unsolved.
The notion of police as a paramilitary organization is outdated and obsolete. We do not need it. A gun is not necessary to issue a speeding ticket. A uniformed warrior is not necessary to respond to a noise complaint.
I agree with about half of that.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838529 - 07/22/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.
This is several orders of magnitude more aggressive than even the most robust self-defense laws in this nation. So, you're okay with killing someone who threatens your life on an internet forum, for instance?
What if you're pulled over and some dude in a uniform pulls a gun on you? Would you hesitate to kill that person?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26838531 - 07/22/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wish you could see that I've actually invested an insane amount of time trying to help you learn how to contribute constructively. No serious person will ever take you seriously if your evidence for your assertions includes things like the universal law of justice that you made up on the spot or the self evidence of the assertion itself.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838534 - 07/22/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.
This is several orders of magnitude more aggressive than even the most robust self-defense laws in this nation. So, you're okay with killing someone who threatens your life on an internet forum, for instance?
I'm not interested in discussing the semantics of what I mean by my life being potentially threatened given that's the first question you've asked me about my line.
What an insulting question even ask.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838536 - 07/22/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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you said potentially, not him. How much potential is required before all hesitation in killing should be discarded?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26838541 - 07/22/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I wish you could see that I've actually invested an insane amount of time trying to help you learn how to contribute constructively. No serious person will ever take you seriously if your evidence for your assertions includes things like the universal law of justice that you made up on the spot or the self evidence of the assertion itself.
You came in here and the first thing you said was this:
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"The pants-wetting by far-right extremists over these protests gets more hilarious by the day. Imagine building this world inside your head and then living in it 24/7. I guess when one is an authoritarian POS, it's easy to imagine that everyone else is equally depraved."
And now you're gonna be all like, "I've tried to teach you how to debate and have people take you seriously!"
What you have, sir, is a big group of goons on this forum that agree with your side of the argument enough that you get away with all the same shit flinging you condemn your opposition of.
Why the FUCK do you think I'm gonna listen to a god damn "piece of advice" you have for me when that's how you wanna start the match, bruh?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838545 - 07/22/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What an insulting question even ask.
If you can't clearly state your position, and you're insulted by questions about your position, how do you plan to participate beyond just spewing slogans and bumper stickers?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838551 - 07/22/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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For your own good?
My confrontational introduction and my statement about trying to teach you how not to sound stupid are not intrinsically inconsistent or even necessarily related to each other.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838554 - 07/22/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: who made these universal laws? or are they just self-evident?
I already added my caveat and said it was my own moral code. Don't push the point with nonsense. I made my self crystal clear.
hold up. so you're saying that your personal moral code is also the universal law of justice?
I'm saying that in my personal more code I believe in universal laws of justice, one of those being if your life is potentially threatened, don't hesitate to kill.
I’m gonna start shooting people not wearing masks and then my defense will be your universal laws of justice
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26838555 - 07/22/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: For your own good?
My confrontational introduction and my statement about trying to teach you how not to sound stupid are not intrinsically inconsistent or even necessarily related to each other.
That's the biggest crock of shit you've spouted yet. I wouldn't even take you seriously (yet) if you admitted you fucked up and yet you're doubling down and expect me to take your advice on anything.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26838561 - 07/22/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: No cops = civil war and a fast one at that.
Bodies flying everywhere, 90% of them leftists because they don't know how to actually fight.
By all means, let's play imagination and keep heading down this path... see where it takes us.
you are advocating fascist authoritarianism. the people talking to you about your ideas are all american and mostly politically unnafilliated to the best of my knowledge. youre not going to find much outside of the typical racist right-wingers to back you up on this site
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