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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26838061 - 07/22/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Cops are the most dangerous demographic in the country. It’s not even the most dangerous job. You’re more likely to die as a truck driver or doing construction. I don’t see construction workers killing three to four people a day.
Holy fuck, is that a serious argument? Take that to the kindeegarten forum.
How is that not serious? Cops killed 1100 people in 2019. That’s 6.8% of the 16,240 homicides. There are 1,000,000 Law enforcement officers, constituting .3% of the US population. That’s a homicide perpetrator rate of 110 per 100,000. The overall US homicide rate is about 5 per 100,000. Cops kill more people than any other demographic, whether it be race or occupation. Cops even kill people at a higher rate than armed robbers.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26838068 - 07/22/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: He said yes. Yet somehow you don’t believe him. Right from the source and you still deny reality.
This is the THIRD time I'm going to ask you. What should Putin have said when asked if he wanted Trump to win the election while he was standing 4 feet from Trump?
"DURRRRRR" isn't an acceptable answer.
“We don’t take sides in foreign elections” is the diplomatic answer. But he told the truth, which is acceptable I guess.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26838075 - 07/22/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You’re the one interpreting his words. I didn’t see you asking for clarity. I was just going by the meaning of the words he typed.
I don't go off the meaning of the words people type.
And that’s how you end up believing whatever you want to believe. Just like Falcon does.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 2
#26838078 - 07/22/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have this habit of explaining away other people’s words when you don’t find them convenient. Magicmush was pretty clear. He thinks you lose your rights if you engage in certain behaviors.
Holy shit, I just learned something huge about Koods and how he takes in the words of others.
LOL, bro, you don't go fishing for what a person is TRYING to say at all, do you?
Also, does anyone here actually try to read INTENT from other posters..? Ya know, whether or not they are sincere and just off or actually maliciously trying to deceive? There IS a difference, you know.
You are speculating as to the intent. We can only go by his words. There are a lot of people who believe criminals lose their rights. It seems like he may be one of those people.
Let's not forget. MagicMush literally used the word "waive." He didn't say that the 1st amendment doesn't apply or that rioting isn't protected. He said "you waive your rights" if you riot. People can cry all they want that I'm making a semantical argument, but his statement, in addition to being false, is a bold claim that criminals somehow lose constitutional protection by virtue of being criminals.
I'm a little shocked that anyone would fault me for calling out this absurdly inaccurate claim.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26838080 - 07/22/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: He is guilty. He declared it twice and he’s been convicted and awaiting sentencing.
Will you take my signature bet that they'll dismiss the charges?
How can they dismiss the charges? There are no remaining charges. He’s already been convicted.
Maybe you’re trying to say they will vacate the conviction. Are they asking for that? What I understand is they are ending their prosecution, which would mean he remains a convicted felon with no sentence. Maybe enlil can enlighten us.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26838089 - 07/22/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The prosecutor filed a motion to dismiss. The circuit court (appellate level) issued a writ of mandate ordering the trial court to grant that motion. Once that motion is granted, the charges will be dismissed. Flynn will have no conviction. Charges can be dismissed after conviction, after sentencing, even after death. The conviction that currently exists will no longer exist and will be the same as if it never existed.
He will, however, remain guilty.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838092 - 07/22/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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He’s certainly legally guilty at this point in time, which is something falcon refuses to accept.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26838093 - 07/22/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is true. He'll continue to be guilty forever...the "legal" part will end once the court dismissed the charge.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838099 - 07/22/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poor people especially need the cops. Like, really, really, really.
Poor people are the ones least protected by cops. Like, really, really, really. You think I would have waited 2 hours for a 911 response if I lived in Brentwood?
Your personal experience is not representative of the collective, despite it being a shitty experience. (I'm sorry to hear it.)
Adding your personal experience to the collective causes me to observe we need police reform, not eradication. (My position hasn't changed, naturally.)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26838103 - 07/22/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cops killed 1100 people in 2019. That’s 6.8% of the 16,240 homicides
Homicide is not murder. Cops are also statistically the most likely to kill NON-innocent criminals. By far.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26838104 - 07/22/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You’re the one interpreting his words. I didn’t see you asking for clarity. I was just going by the meaning of the words he typed.
I don't go off the meaning of the words people type.
And that’s how you end up believing whatever you want to believe. Just like Falcon does.
You ought to spend more time in realms where words don't matter and people can simply feel the pure intent of one another, dude.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838109 - 07/22/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Public Enemy didn't write that song because of my experiences. It wasn't popular because of my experiences. It was popular because poor black communities all over this nation encounter the same shit.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 1
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You have this habit of explaining away other people’s words when you don’t find them convenient. Magicmush was pretty clear. He thinks you lose your rights if you engage in certain behaviors.
Holy shit, I just learned something huge about Koods and how he takes in the words of others.
LOL, bro, you don't go fishing for what a person is TRYING to say at all, do you?
Also, does anyone here actually try to read INTENT from other posters..? Ya know, whether or not they are sincere and just off or actually maliciously trying to deceive? There IS a difference, you know.
You are speculating as to the intent. We can only go by his words. There are a lot of people who believe criminals lose their rights. It seems like he may be one of those people.
Let's not forget. MagicMush literally used the word "waive." He didn't say that the 1st amendment doesn't apply or that rioting isn't protected. He said "you waive your rights" if you riot. People can cry all they want that I'm making a semantical argument, but his statement, in addition to being false, is a bold claim that criminals somehow lose constitutional protection by virtue of being criminals.
I'm a little shocked that anyone would fault me for calling out this absurdly inaccurate claim.
I didn't call you out. I called Magicmush out and explained to him in a few words what you were struggling to explain to him in multiple posts, because I could READ his intent. I knew what he was trying to say, I knew what you were trying to say, and so I mediated.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838112 - 07/22/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cops are most likely to kill people. How is that alright under any analysis?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838113 - 07/22/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And to the extent that that is true, we need reform. No argument. I just won't take your hyperbolic remarks about cops seriously.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838117 - 07/22/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you use your head instead of your feelings, it's absolutely more nuanced and not black and white.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838119 - 07/22/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Cops are also statistically the most likely to kill NON-innocent criminals. By far.
Let's grant your point. Do you see no problem with this statement?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26838129 - 07/22/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let's grant your point. Do you see no problem with this statement?
NO problem? No, I'm sure there are nuances of problems within it that we can work on. I've already said we could use some police reform.
A telling video is watching this BLM organizer go through actual police training.
"Why'd you shoot?" the cops asks him as he's training.
I mean his answer is telling.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
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When you use your head instead of your feelings, it's absolutely more nuanced and not black and white.
So you can't answer?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26838141 - 07/22/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The glaring problem doesn't require much nuance. Extrajudicial punishment, especially the death penalty, has no place in the activities of LEOs in a civilized society. That is, after all, why we even have courts. Cops aren't supposed to decide your guilt and execute you on the street EVEN if you are guilty. They took a moderately dangerous job that requires self-control. If they can't handle that responsibility, there is always a career in medical billing
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