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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26946919 - 09/20/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos]
#26946921 - 09/20/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yeah, that was established pretty early on.
Should addicts be summarily executed by police?
Oh how the narrative has changed. Floyd died from his own stupidity, not because of the cops. You'll see. They'll walk except chauvin who will lose his job and get a 6month prison sentence just to keep the riots at bay.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26946924 - 09/20/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That Floyd DIDN'T have a tolerance for fentanyl, and would have died regardless.
It makes no difference whether he would have died anyway. If the officer's conduct made that death happen 1 second sooner than it would have happened, the officer is 100% responsible.
Um, no, if floyd hadnt paid with fame money and not been doing drugs the cops wouldnt have had to arrest him. Its called taking responsibility for your actions.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: meltdowner]
#26946937 - 09/20/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They didn't arrest him. They killed him.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26946941 - 09/20/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: They didn't arrest him. They killed him.
They arrested him and he died from those drugs he chose to ingest.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: meltdowner]
#26946942 - 09/20/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They killed him in the street.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26947001 - 09/20/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: You stated:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Instead of saying it's irrelevant to the main point, koods came along and said "Why the fuck are you entertaining this garbage? What the fuck is wrong with you?"
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shivas.wisdom said: I believe koods is correct. Entertaining the drug overdose angle is garbage, and I can't think of any reasonable excuse for you to have entertained it as much as you have.
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shivas.wisdom said: Even if George Floyd was overdosing on fentanyl, the police brutality is still absolutely unjustifiable. That's why entertaining the drug angle is complete garbage.
Why does it seem reasonable for you to assume my statement "I believe koods is correct." refers to an entirely different statement koods posted the day before?
Because both of your statements above were your first ones after the ones I pointed out as make believe, that's why.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26947060 - 09/20/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Would you mind screenshot or similarly posting the part of either autopsy saying he died from drugs
Here is the medical examiner report. It seems to indicate both sides are correct:
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OPINION: The Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner agrees with the autopsy findings and the cause of death certification of George Floyd as determined by the Hennepin County Medical Examinerβs Office. His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication.
It very clearly says died in the setting of cardiovascular disease and methamphetamine intoxication.
It says the cause of death was police restraint.
"In the setting of" just means his current state of health and mentality. The cause of death is not the same as the state you are in when you die.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26947075 - 09/20/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, I can see that interpretation.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#26947183 - 09/21/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not an interpretation lol. It's what it just fucking means
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: meltdowner]
#26947232 - 09/21/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: They didn't arrest him. They killed him.
They arrested him and he died from those drugs he chose to ingest.
Lies
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26947530 - 09/21/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Why does it seem reasonable for you to assume my statement "I believe koods is correct." refers to an entirely different statement koods posted the day before?
Because both of your statements above were your first ones after the ones I pointed out as make believe, that's why. 
Can you be more clear? What make believe of mine did you point out?
I know you claimed that "then shivas) told me it's ok to make believe drugs played no role in contibuting to Floyd's death, to push the greater good narrative that police are evil." Not only did I never say such a thing, I explicitly told you otherwise when you asked me if that's what I thought. I can only conclude that, given this, your continued decision to erroneously represent my position is an intentional lie.
It seems the only way you could turn my statement "I believe koods is correct." into make believe was by ignoring all the context of that post, and the ones immediately following, and assuming I referred to this post of koods - but that's an entirely different post made a full day earlier.
Basically, it seems like the only way you could back up your first lie about me (the lie where you claim that I said it's ok to make believe drugs played no role in contibuting to Floyd's death, in order to push the greater good narrative that police are evil) was with another lie that attempts to connect my post to an unrelated post of koods that was made an entire day earlier.
Lies to protect lies by the self-professed opponent of make believe. Have I missed anything here?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26947549 - 09/21/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Lies to protect lies by the self-professed opponent of make believe. Have I missed anything here?
Accusing people of "attacking" him whenever his position is challenged.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26947593 - 09/21/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:
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shivas.wisdom said: Why does it seem reasonable for you to assume my statement "I believe koods is correct." refers to an entirely different statement koods posted the day before?
Because both of your statements above were your first ones after the ones I pointed out as make believe, that's why. 
Can you be more clear? What make believe of mine did you point out?
I didn't point out any make believe of yours. I pointed out that it appeared you supported koods' make believe when you said "I believe koods is correct" right after he dismissed the possibility that drugs may have played a role in Floyd's death.
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shivas.wisdom said: I know you claimed that "then shivas) told me it's ok to make believe drugs played no role in contibuting to Floyd's death, to push the greater good narrative that police are evil." Not only did I never say such a thing, I explicitly told you otherwise when you asked me if that's what I thought. I can only conclude that, given this, your continued decision to erroneously represent my position is an intentional lie.
It seems the only way you could turn my statement "I believe koods is correct." into make believe was by ignoring all the context of that post, and the ones immediately following, and assuming I referred to this post of koods - but that's an entirely different post made a full day earlier.
Basically, it seems like the only way you could back up your first lie about me (the lie where you claim that I said it's ok to make believe drugs played no role in contibuting to Floyd's death, in order to push the greater good narrative that police are evil) was with another lie that attempts to connect my post to an unrelated post of koods that was made an entire day earlier.
Lies to protect lies by the self-professed opponent of make believe. Have I missed anything here?
See above. I think you've since clarified that you weren't agreeing with him that drugs played no role in the death, but that it was irrelevant to the topic of police brutality. And I agreed with that before you even agreed with koods, so I assumed you were agreeing with him on the make believe part.
I hope all is clarified now.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26947772 - 09/21/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you've since clarified that you weren't agreeing with him that drugs played no role in the death
I never said that.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26949214 - 09/22/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drugs did not cause his death. That was the coroner's ruling. To say drugs played a role in his death is playing a semantics game. Arteriosclerosis played a role in his death. Covid-19 possibly played a role, although he was asymptomatic at the time, it could have weakened him.
The cop killed him.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26949283 - 09/22/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: To say drugs played a role in his death is playing a semantics game.
Some say he may not have died if not for the drugs in his system.
Enlil pointed out that doesn't really matter because of the "eggshell skull doctrine". If the cops played any role, which they did, then they're guilty of his death.
To me that's not really a semantics debate, but a legal one.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26949337 - 09/22/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This debate is similar to Covid only killing people with underlining health conditions argument, therefore Covid didn't kill the person. It doesn't matter if someone had high blood pressure or was diabetic, it was still the virus that caused their death.
People that have been purposely downplaying the virus continue to make those types of arguments. Someone who was 70 and was obese that dies from Covid could have lived another 10-20 years, so it's disingenuous to suggest Covid wasn't 100% responsible for their death.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26949347 - 09/22/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with your argument on Covid, but IF Floyd would have died of drugs regardless (I don't know if that's the case but that's the argument being made), then he wouldn't have lived another 10-20 years.
That's why I'm asking if anyone knows if he had a tolerance or not. I'm guessing he did, but that's only a guess at this point.
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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (09/22/20 01:56 PM)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26949505 - 09/22/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im guessing the coroner is going by LD 50 standard? Not sure how the term fatal dose is being used or determined. But if there is some standard of what is usually a fatal dose of fentanyl and it didn't put him in a coma immediately (I say this having been a dope head and having been given fentanyl for an injury before) then i can say with great certainty he had a tolerance. It takes milligrams of fentanyl to OD. And it is a fast acting substance. https://www.drugfreeworld.org/newsletter/issue13/the-truth-about-fentanyl.html
Coming put of a black Sabbath show in the city my brother and I met another wheelchair bound guy. He told us he wears three fentanyl patches through the day and sucks down fentanyl lollipops all day. That amount of fentanyl ahould kill somwonw many times over.
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