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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26919756 - 09/05/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There's plenty of ways you could help people you claim to care about when you are given over a billion dollars.  If you can't figure out a way to help black people with all the money and influence BLM currently has, that's your problem.




Not in America. Have you seen what happened when Bill Gates decided to help people? People literally say he's pedo-satan.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #26919775 - 09/05/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Folks in the center and on the right really need to enlighten themselves on the absolutely comical amount of infighting amongst the left.

To think there’s any singular agenda, let alone singular organization, just reveals ignorance.



I mean, most of those details are technical and boring as fuck so I don't blame them for not taking the initiative - but you think it would still eventually be gleaned.





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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26919799 - 09/05/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is patently false. Heck, Shivas and I have had two threads' worth of heated discussion on a minor technical difference between two forms of leftist society that we both seem to agree is better than what we have now. Both discussions being one I take very seriously, even though my responses are often quite flippant on the surface.



Hell ya! Antifascism is a necessity but I much prefer to spend my time discussing the finer details of anarchist living. I keep meaning to return to one of those threads but winter is just around the corner up north and so I haven't been sending much time behind my desk. It was a cold winter last year and I ran out of firewood for a few weeks until it warmed up enough to go cut more - talk is this winter is gonna be even colder so I'm stacking wood like the forest is going out of business.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray] * 1
    #26919858 - 09/05/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There's plenty of ways you could help people you claim to care about when you are given over a billion dollars.  If you can't figure out a way to help black people with all the money and influence BLM currently has, that's your problem.




So you can’t actually name one.

1. I need your source on how much money BLM has, or has raised.
2. Is this a single chapter? Is it a national org? Which one? What’s their operating expenses?


Get me that, as well as a way BLM could meaningfully improve their own black community/communities, and we can seriously discuss it.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26919867 - 09/05/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I haven’t had one serious interaction with you.  I don’t expect that to happen regardless of the evidence I bring forth.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26919869 - 09/05/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your loss


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26919879 - 09/05/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Huh? I literally said good on the police for getting them. Aren't you going to show appreciation for the police getting them? I still think they're just apolitical losers looking for an excuse to start something, like some of the rioters are. You can't be a "blue lives matter" supporter and a violent looter at the same time. Just like you can't be a peace loving tolerant lefty while also attacking normal right wingers.



Was really just a general statement. Why you getting defensive? It wasnt even a response to you.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26919896 - 09/05/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You said something how we need more violent and impulsive leftists to keep people in line.  So if someone stepped out of line, a bullet is justice?



Why are bullets justice when police use them?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26919909 - 09/05/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Only if they hit the "right" people.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26919921 - 09/05/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thats the way the right sees it. I see justice as losing large chunks of your time on earth and freedom as opposed to a quick elimination of your life. And when criminals get paralyzed or maimed its that much more tax payer money to maintain their health while in prison. Not to mention lawsuits for wrongful death etc... It costs the taxpayers alot of money when police shoot anyone for any reason. Or kill then or injure them in any way. That alone should make conservatives wary of these things but theyre so violent and bloodthirsty they dont care.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #26919933 - 09/05/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You said something how we need more violent and impulsive leftists to keep people in line.  So if someone stepped out of line, a bullet is justice?



Why are bullets justice when police use them?



I already discussed this.  I inferred that Kryptos preferred the bullet because he wanted to buy a beer for that Antifa shooter who murdered a guy in Portland.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26919939 - 09/05/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You said something how we need more violent and impulsive leftists to keep people in line.  So if someone stepped out of line, a bullet is justice?



Why are bullets justice when police use them?



I already discussed this.  I inferred that Kryptos preferred the bullet because he wanted to buy a beer for that Antifa shooter who murdered a guy in Portland.



Clearly, you are against my GOD GIVEN RIGHTS to SELF DEFENSE by the SECOND AMENDMENT of the CONSTITUTION of the GREATEST NATION THAT HAS EVER EXISTED, OR WILL EVER EXIST ON THE EARTH! PRAISE JESUS! AMEN!


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos] * 3
    #26920120 - 09/05/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its almost funny how many of us in this thread would probably get along great if politics were not involved or the media. They do a bang up job of turning us agaisnt each other.

Nobody when proving a point (including myself) can do so without exaggerating or insulting someone.


By no means do I think this observation will change anyone's mind...just simply making the observation. 

Keep on raging everyone! Hate only begets more hate.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26920171 - 09/05/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Huh? I literally said good on the police for getting them. Aren't you going to show appreciation for the police getting them? I still think they're just apolitical losers looking for an excuse to start something, like some of the rioters are. You can't be a "blue lives matter" supporter and a violent looter at the same time. Just like you can't be a peace loving tolerant lefty while also attacking normal right wingers.



This is hilarious. There are violent blue libes supporters everywhere. Its like saying you cant be a Christian if you dont follow the bible to a T. Rottenhouse had resisting arrest chatges on his record and you can find a video of him sucker punching a girl. So he cant be a hero. Right?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26920247 - 09/05/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is hilarious. There are violent blue libes supporters everywhere. Its like saying you cant be a Christian if you dont follow the bible to a T. Rottenhouse had resisting arrest chatges on his record and you can find a video of him sucker punching a girl. So he cant be a hero. Right?



Not that I'm looking to defend the little murderer but those charges that were floating around were for a different Kyle Rittenhouse. He's a juvenile so his record wouldn't be readily available to the public.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26920266 - 09/05/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Gotcha. Seems to me self defense laws need to be looked at. Email talked about the language fornofficers shooting people need to include the term "iminent threat" in them. I think that needs to go across the board. Now knowing thay they were trying to take his gun hell probably get off with self defense. If he had just popped that guy in the head as soon as he heard that first shot though I dont think that would count as an imminent threat.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26921344 - 09/06/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A real movement,  yes.  A real organization,  no.




You have to be accepted in some areas, unorganized movements don't spontaneously gather in crowds. They don't have chapter leaders that sell merch either. It's not just a movement. Stop with those lies.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26921444 - 09/06/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hippies often spontaneously gather in crowds, and I know lots of groups selling hippy merch. Is that the bar for considering something an organization?

Have you ever thought about joining up to prove us wrong?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26921476 - 09/06/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Let me ask then, in your opinion, what WOULD make it an actual organization, if organized meetings, different chapters with different names selling merch, funding from billionaires, requirements for acceptance etc. don't make it one. Hell, even big enough gangs are considered criminal organizations. Calling it "just an idea" is just yet another sneaky way of avoiding some kind of legal repercussions as a collective. I know the tricks dude I read the same handbooks and literature that they do.

If you prefer me to just call it a gang, I'll do that instead. And hell no I'm not going to go and get doxxed and have my family harassed or beaten.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
    #26921567 - 09/06/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Let me ask then, in your opinion, what WOULD make it an actual organization




- A leader or command structure that is able to give orders to members in pursuance of a goal

Antifascists are united in goal, but there is no cohesive command structure giving orders. People can make call outs, and other people can choose to listen, and through years of cooperation networks of trust and communication have developed - but there's no one on top giving orders or paying salaries.

Can I ask you now, why does antifa have to be this shadowy organization? Why is a network of autonomous groups so unbelievable? It's not like I'm trying to deny the existence of antifascists engaging in direct violence - I'm literally just trying to help you better understand how they operate.


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