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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26909597 - 08/31/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol you proved something, and it’s not what you think it is.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 3
#26909599 - 08/31/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's the most obvious of criticisms. It completely excludes the libertarian-left in order to accomplish two things: associate "the left" with tyranny, and shift the centre towards the authoritarian-right.

And you should be concerned by the fact that you saw a political chart specifically designed as propaganda by a neo-fascist and immediately thought: "This is a great representation of politics".
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26909604 - 08/31/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll repeat, the libertarian left exists only in ideology. There is no way to implement that combination of ideologies into a working system. People can "believe" what they want, but this chart represents actual working systems in the real world playing out right now.
I know the libertarian left wants to believe there's a place for their combination of ideals, but unfortunately, that place is only in their head.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26909606 - 08/31/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ya you have no idea what youre talking about and it really shows with that comment.
You really think Ghandi belongs on the libertarian right? You have 0 clue dude
Ghandi?? What??? He's not on the triangle...
Holy fucking fuck dude thank you for proving my point for me 
Your lack of awareness is showing REALLY bad right now
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26909608 - 08/31/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm literally laughing my ass off right now..
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26909615 - 08/31/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I'll repeat, the libertarian left exists only in ideology. There is no way to implement that combination of ideologies into a working system. People can "believe" what they want, but this chart represents actual working systems in the real world playing out right now.
I know the libertarian left wants to believe there's a place for their combination of ideals, but unfortunately, that place is only in their head.
And anarcho-capitalism, one of the pillars of your triangle, represents an "actual working system in the real world playing out right now".

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909621 - 08/31/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ya you have no idea what youre talking about and it really shows with that comment.
You really think Ghandi belongs on the libertarian right? You have 0 clue dude
Ghandi?? What??? He's not on the triangle...
I'll explain instead of laughing at you.
Ghandi is the most classic example of libertarian left. Libertarian right believes in personal freedom, but their economic policy is classic capitalism in which companies should own all means of production AND control of social services like schools etc.
Libertarian left believes in personal freedom, but believes the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
If you deny the existence of a libertarian left then you are too far gone. In your scenario, ghandi would have no place on the triangle since he didnt believe corps. should own means of production like the lib. right does.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26909626 - 08/31/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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christopera said: Lmao. You realize that paying bail isn't freeing a violent criminals. People who are waiting for their trial get out on bail all of the time.
The hyperbole is amazing.
Can you read? qman said there's no difference between the two. The fact that Biden is bailing out rioters proves that their is a difference.
There's a few ideological differences that are there just for show, but on every key issue that actually affects the lives of US citizens, they're identical.
BTW, Biden didn't do anything involving bailing out protesters.
His staffers did n it’s delusional to think they are acting on their own accord. These riots are affecting people’s lives everyday. Biden has done nothing to quell the tension. Trump has continually offered assistance.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909631 - 08/31/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
The government IS the people, this is especially true with Libertarians. The people are the government are the people.
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Libertarian left believes in personal freedom, but believes the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
"Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy and economic theory that advocates the elimination of centralized states in favor of self-ownership, private property and free markets. In the absence of statute, anarcho-capitalists hold that society tends to contractually self-regulate and civilize through participation in the free market which they describe as a voluntary society."
Anarcho-capitalists don't want government, they want voluntary societies. The word is hybridized because people like Ghandi would fall more into the "anarcho" part of it if he was anti-government. Real free-market capitalism is anti government.
Those that want more government would fall further to the left or or the bottom of the triangle.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray] 1
#26909633 - 08/31/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Biden isn't an elected official.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26909643 - 08/31/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The government is not the people dude 
They WORK FOR the people. Jesus you dont even know how a republic works and youre here trying to argue alternative philosophy.
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the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
The government IS the people, this is especially true with Libertarians. The people are the government are the people.
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Libertarian left believes in personal freedom, but believes the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
"Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy and economic theory that advocates the elimination of centralized states in favor of self-ownership, private property and free markets. In the absence of statute, anarcho-capitalists hold that society tends to contractually self-regulate and civilize through participation in the free market which they describe as a voluntary society."
Anarcho-capitalists don't want government, they want voluntary societies. The word is hybridized because people like Ghandi would fall more into the "anarcho" part of it if he was anti-government. Real free-market capitalism is anti government.
Those that want more government would fall further to the left or or the bottom of the triangle.
Anarcho-capitalism is bullshit and no libertarian left is NOT anarcho-capitalism
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26909651 - 08/31/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its not: government of the people, by the people and for the people?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909653 - 08/31/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is probably the worst political philosophy I've ever seen on this forum. It's honestly painful and I don't even know where to start.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26909655 - 08/31/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: One of the reasons we're on the side we are is because people accuse us of being "fringe right wingers."
Why the fuck would I even entertain siding with the opposition when I'm constantly told I'm violent or I'll eventually commit horrific crimes?
The political left has become absolutely terrible at recruiting and people are leaving in droves because of it.
When Trump slaughters 2020, yall ought to re-think your tactics. Your attitudes are part of what is going to bring the red Tsunami in 2020.
People who are sick of seeing America burn aren't radicals. They're fucking normal human beings. The radicals are the ones that think the destruction is okay..
I wonder why we think you’re violent people when you drive to communities where you don’t even live to antagonize people with weapons. Your rhetoric is laden with violent immagry. You talk about killing people constantly. You use words like “slaughter” when talking about an election.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26909662 - 08/31/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Capitalism means corporations and business own the means of our production.
State capitalist means the state owns means of production (ussr, ccp, N Korea, etc.)
True communism is the PEOPLE own the means of production. There are no true communist nations.
Libertarian right is an extreme capitalist philosophy. Do you think corporations like mcdonalds should be in control of schools and fire departments? Cause thats lib right.
Libertarian left and right both want limited government but one does not let corporations rule the world.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909663 - 08/31/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: The government is not the people dude 
They WORK FOR the people. Jesus you dont even know how a republic works and youre here trying to argue alternative philosophy.
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the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
The government IS the people, this is especially true with Libertarians. The people are the government are the people.
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Libertarian left believes in personal freedom, but believes the PEOPLE should own the means of production and social welfare, not corporations or governments.
"Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy and economic theory that advocates the elimination of centralized states in favor of self-ownership, private property and free markets. In the absence of statute, anarcho-capitalists hold that society tends to contractually self-regulate and civilize through participation in the free market which they describe as a voluntary society."
Anarcho-capitalists don't want government, they want voluntary societies. The word is hybridized because people like Ghandi would fall more into the "anarcho" part of it if he was anti-government. Real free-market capitalism is anti government.
Those that want more government would fall further to the left or or the bottom of the triangle.
Anarcho-capitalism is bullshit and no libertarian left is NOT anarcho-capitalism 
Edit: Missed some posts. Catching up.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26909665 - 08/31/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: This is probably the worst political philosophy I've ever seen on this forum. It's honestly painful and I don't even know where to start.
Is this a response to me? Can you highlight what I said that makes it the worst political philosophy youve seen?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26909676 - 08/31/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, it's in reference to that political triangle and Vahn421's defence of it. I agree with your post, it's a just the quick reply function.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 2
#26909678 - 08/31/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Antifa doesn't travel to places they're not from to commit violence?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26909680 - 08/31/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: One of the reasons we're on the side we are is because people accuse us of being "fringe right wingers."
Why the fuck would I even entertain siding with the opposition when I'm constantly told I'm violent or I'll eventually commit horrific crimes?
The political left has become absolutely terrible at recruiting and people are leaving in droves because of it.
When Trump slaughters 2020, yall ought to re-think your tactics. Your attitudes are part of what is going to bring the red Tsunami in 2020.
People who are sick of seeing America burn aren't radicals. They're fucking normal human beings. The radicals are the ones that think the destruction is okay..
I wonder why we think you’re violent people when you drive to communities where you don’t even live to antagonize people with weapons. Your rhetoric is laden with violent immagry. You talk about killing people constantly. You use words like “slaughter” when talking about an election.
Thats literally happening on both sides tho. The protesters and rioters are usually travelling from out of state to participate in whatever they're doing
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