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Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppino Mushrooms?
    #26834003 - 07/20/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The only ones in which I'm interested in growing myself are the golden enoki, shaggy mane, bear's head, almond, and pioppino mushrooms. I made a separate thread asking about growing morels.

For each of these, do you know if a regular organic flour & organic coco coir substrate in monotub will work for them? Or would, say, the bear's head mushroom require organic sawdust in the mix? Any good, clean references are appreciated.

I've grown cubensis before with the P.F. jar technique, no problem, but I'm confident in being able to make my own monotub now, and these are the candidates for breaking the monotubs in.

Here's my monotub outline:
  • Tall plastic container (medium, not huge), blackened on the bottom ~5 inches.
  • Some small holes filled in with organic cotton stuffing for air on top of the monotub.
  • Nonelectric hygrometer inside.
  • Microwaved water to be sprayed through a spray bottle for humidity.
  • Yes, I'll have to open the monotub to tend to it according to this plan, but I'll have I.P.A. mist bottles and U.V. sterilizer lights for area disinfection.
  • Since shaggy mane and enoki can reportedly be grown with the P.F. tek, the substrate for these can just be organic whole wheat flour with organic coco coir, ratio 3:1, microwave-sterilized before adding to monotub.


Before you have a cow, predictably going, "ur gona get infection u need more sterile", I have seen people grow in monotubs in similar setups as this with no infections, or at least too few to mention. I feel like sterilization is a bit over-stressed in some cases.

Prefer you not run off of vague experiences, hunches, or some article somewhere, but out of your most earnest and faithful to God say, not fueling your post with anger about past infections, but rather, giving true say out of your mushroom-enthusiast heart.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppino Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386]
    #26834048 - 07/20/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'd post over in the gourmet forum for better answers.  The monotub is not a good environment for most edibles.  They need a lot more air exchange.  Also, most are wood lovers and need sawdust mixes.  Not sure about the particular varieties you have listed, but cubensis is one of the few species (that I'm aware of) that can handle the very limited air exchange that a monotub provides.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppino Mushrooms? [Re: rickyswamps]
    #26834177 - 07/20/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I think you can grow king oyster and grow reishi antlers in a monotub, but thats it, as far as I know, for edibles.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: One of Us]
    #26834288 - 07/20/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd post over in the gourmet forum for better answers.  The monotub is not a good environment for most edibles.  They need a lot more air exchange.  Also, most are wood lovers and need sawdust mixes.  Not sure about the particular varieties you have listed, but cubensis is one of the few species (that I'm aware of) that can handle the very limited air exchange that a monotub provides.




Alright, I can order organic sawdust for them. Maybe organic straw/hay as well, according to what they eat:

  • Enoki -- Found on trees in the wild, so feed organic sawdust, and maybe something like organic coconut flour or even organic whole wheat flour to imitate sap carbs.
  • Shaggy Mane -- Found in grass in the wild, so feed perhaps organic straw and organic flour.
  • Bear's Head -- Found on logs in the wild, so feed organic sawdust; maybe organic flour of some kind, too, wouldn't hurt.
  • Almond Mushroom -- Found in leaf litter and rich soil in the wild, so feed perhaps organic leaf litter and organic straw. Adding organic flour might not hurt.
  • Pioppini Mushroom (Agrocybe aegerita) -- Found on dead wood in the wild, so feed organic sawdust and possibly organic flour.


There is a certain elephant in the room, and that is the organic coco coir element. Mushrooms are saprotrophs, meaning they eat dead organic matter, and coco coir could well be on the list of things they eat, no less. What does this mean for mushroom growing? Well, nothing major, just that the mushrooms can effectively eat everything in the substrate as long as vermiculite is omitted. It's a bonus, if anything.

I wonder if all mushrooms need flour. It could go either way, huh? -- A mushroom could not need any flour, and thrive just fine eating away at, say, the straw or the sawdust. On the other hand, a mushroom, while not needing flour per se, could be living a better life eating flour, leading to fuller, happier mushrooms and more/better fruit.

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:whathesaid:

I think you can grow king oyster and grow reishi antlers in a monotub, but thats it, as far as I know, for edibles.




Damn, I'll have to consider what mushrooms need more air or something than what a monotub can do. I mean heck, I wouldn't have thought that some mushrooms can't monotub. You would think that a monotub provides more than enough everything.

Well, I might be the first. Unless I see clearly like "Shaggy mane won't live in a monotub 'cause monotubs don't contain calcium" or something, it wouldn't hurt for me to venture some humble experiments.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppino Mushrooms? (moved) [Re: Totodile386]
    #26834323 - 07/20/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.

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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386]
    #26834488 - 07/20/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Also, I really wouldn't use any kind of flour as a substrate, even if you sterilize it.  Flour would be a supplement.  Once you spawn open-air to a monotub, it's no longer sterile.

Like already mentioned, you probably want wood in there instead.  I'd go with fuel pellets.  Like One of Us correctly mentioned, kings and reishi can be grown on coir w/out wood, but I doubt those others are gonna do real well...  Enoki would do great in a monotub, but you're gonna have to keep it colder than you probably can.

Leave out the flour and use lots of spawn as your "supplement" instead if you're hell bent on trying coir alone.

Experimenting is all good and fun but I sometimes wonder why people ask for advice on here, get good advice, and then proceed to ignore it :confused:


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Forrester]
    #26835748 - 07/21/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

By the way, I determined monotubs are plenty capable of air exchange. Would not it just depend on the individual monotub?


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386]
    #26836606 - 07/21/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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By the way, I determined monotubs are plenty capable of air exchange. Would not it just depend on the individual monotub?




Curious how you determined this... what species of edibles did you grow in them?


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Forrester]
    #26837175 - 07/21/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Enoki would do great in a monotub, but you're gonna have to keep it colder than you probably can.





Enoki mushrooms grow fine at room temperature.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Forrester]
    #26837178 - 07/21/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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By the way, I determined monotubs are plenty capable of air exchange. Would not it just depend on the individual monotub?




Curious how you determined this... what species of edibles did you grow in them?




It's just common reasoning. Are all houses built the same? Neither are any 2 monotubs exactly the same.

I haven't used a monotub before, but I've done jars, and monotubs really seem more practical.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386]
    #26838152 - 07/22/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



This is my outline for a monotub. Now for ratios, I will have to determine.

However, to get an idea, as I will first be growing golden enoki mushrooms, my substrate will go something like this:

Organic coco coir : Organic sawdust : Organic rye flour

1 : 2 : 1

Other wood-growing mushrooms might be something similar to this.

Mushrooms that are ground-growing could go by this same cursory ratio, but with organic straw instead of organic sawdust, but again, I'll have to research it further.


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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386] * 1
    #26838657 - 07/22/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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By the way, I determined monotubs are plenty capable of air exchange




Quote:

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I haven't used a monotub before






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Re: Growing Golden Enoki, Shaggy Mane, Bear's Head, Almond Mushroom, and Pioppini Mushrooms? [Re: Totodile386]
    #26840686 - 07/23/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I haven't used a monotub before, but I've done jars, and monotubs really seem more practical.




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