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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric] * 1
    #26840831 - 07/23/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's how LSD works. 2 identical doses from the same batch can have wildly different effects. You'd think after 17 years you would have realized that, alas, some people prefer to think there different kind of LSD giving them different effects.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26840843 - 07/23/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

haha i knew that this answer would come. i actually liked to think what you said was true. but unfortunately, it's not

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That's how LSD works. 2 identical doses from the same batch can have wildly different effects. You'd think after 17 years you would have realized that, alas, some people prefer to think there different kind of LSD giving them different effects.



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That's how LSD works. 2 identical doses from the same batch can have wildly different effects. You'd think after 17 years you would have realized that, alas, some people prefer to think there different kind of LSD giving them different effects.




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric] * 2
    #26840859 - 07/23/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'll bite on this one. Your anecdotal experience with a drug does not supersede decades of empirical evidence.

LSD is LSD but the effects leave a lot of variability in between.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #26840876 - 07/23/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

yes, exactly. LSD is LSD but other ergot alkaloids are not LSD :laugh:

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I'll bite on this one. Your anecdotal experience with a drug does not supersede decades of empirical evidence.

LSD is LSD but the effects leave a lot of variability in between.




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #26840887 - 07/23/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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yes, exactly. LSD is LSD but other ergot alkaloids are not LSD :laugh:

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I'll bite on this one. Your anecdotal experience with a drug does not supersede decades of empirical evidence.

LSD is LSD but the effects leave a lot of variability in between.







And those ergot alkaloids are poison, you're talking about impurities like other LSD isomers.

Which are inactive, and if they are it's certainly not active in the 5-30 microgram range.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #26840895 - 07/23/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

As David Nichols said,
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there is no impurity potent enough to fit on a blotter that would affect the psychopharmacology of LSD.




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26840985 - 07/23/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

they are inactive on their own, but may still prevent the LSD molecules from plugging into the receptors, thus changing the subjective effects, resulting in bodyload etc.

yes, LSD is LSD. but impurities can affect it's effects, even if they are largely inactive on their own.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #26840996 - 07/23/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

and by the way, ergot alkaloids like 1p-lsd, eth-lad, ald-52 are all perfectly active in the microgram range. and they are by no means poison, not any more than LSD is.

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yes, exactly. LSD is LSD but other ergot alkaloids are not LSD :laugh:

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Yukon Cornelius said:
I'll bite on this one. Your anecdotal experience with a drug does not supersede decades of empirical evidence.

LSD is LSD but the effects leave a lot of variability in between.







And those ergot alkaloids are poison, you're talking about impurities like other LSD isomers.

Which are inactive, and if they are it's certainly not active in the 5-30 microgram range.



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yes, exactly. LSD is LSD but other ergot alkaloids are not LSD :laugh:

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Yukon Cornelius said:
I'll bite on this one. Your anecdotal experience with a drug does not supersede decades of empirical evidence.

LSD is LSD but the effects leave a lot of variability in between.







And those ergot alkaloids are poison, you're talking about impurities like other LSD isomers.

Which are inactive, and if they are it's certainly not active in the 5-30 microgram range.




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #26841051 - 07/23/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have no idea about this stuff but this thread does make me laugh

you seem so certain of the answer i'm pondering why you asked the question in the first place?


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: noodles-uk] * 1
    #26841073 - 07/23/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i don't know for sure really WHY there are differences. i'm just trying to explain phenomenons of my experience to people who obstinately hold on to the belief that ALL LSD has exactly the same effects and that varying responses are 100% attributable to set and setting. i mean, how can you even know... it's hilarious.

anyway, i'm getting too tired of this discussion. thanks for your replies!

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I have no idea about this stuff but this thread does make me laugh

you seem so certain of the answer i'm pondering why you asked the question in the first place?



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I have no idea about this stuff but this thread does make me laugh

you seem so certain of the answer i'm pondering why you asked the question in the first place?




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: noodles-uk]
    #26841083 - 07/23/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I have no idea about this stuff but this thread does make me laugh

you seem so certain of the answer i'm pondering why you asked the question in the first place?




Look at this users other posts, they're all pretty funny


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26841105 - 07/23/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

yea i'm a funny person.. which is kind of the opposite of dull. which is why i can sense a lot of what's going on 😊 peace out, good vibes


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #26909261 - 08/31/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

did it again this saturday.. i finally realized that my stomach trouble is not directly cause by the acid, but rather a sensation that can come and go anytime in day to day life and is greatly amplified by the sensory enhancing effects and the triggering of serotonin receptors in the digestive tract.

still, i believe that different synth routes can cause slight variations at least in the onset of the effects. the swiss comes on faster while the fluff liquid starts 1-2h later, everytime. others have confirmed this.

i'm not saying that there is a difference between the LSD molecules or that impurities change the trip. but the speed of onset is different. and it's not an issue of set and setting, i have tried both of them in different situations and it's the same everytime: fluff comes on slow and smooth, swiss is fast and direct, for whatever reason.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #26909835 - 08/31/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

L-LSD versus D-LSD - while both may be pure, only the right one D-LSD works.
if you have 50 mics of pure D-LSD it will be as good as 100 mics of racemic mixture pure lsd.

does the L-LSD make you sick? I think it's just inactive.

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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26910059 - 08/31/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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L-LSD versus D-LSD - while both may be pure, only the right one D-LSD works.
if you have 50 mics of pure D-LSD it will be as good as 100 mics of racemic mixture pure lsd.

does the L-LSD make you sick? I think it's just inactive.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24263766




i know about the difference between D-LSD and iso-LSD, but i guess both of them are pretty much D-isomer, given their potency even at low doses. 60 ug will reliably fling fractals


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #26910273 - 08/31/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's such a confusing debate, I'll agree.  The leading LSD chemists who are in-the-know and working with the government say one thing, and the illicit underground chemists all say another (that purity is very important and there are differences between batches).  My empirical experience shows that I've had crystal that was more like a black sludge that when it liquid concentrate you couldn't even see through the liquid to the other side that everyone reported had very nasty side effects.  I ate it, and had the most horrendous come up ever.  I mean laying on the floor twitching dry heaving into the toilet.. questioning if it was an RC and I needed to go to hospital.  Whereas my friend had really no issues coming up.  But it was certainly LSD... that was absolutely certain.

Then I've had batches where it was so clean and pure, that I questioned if it was LSD - but it absolutely was LSD, actually happened to still to date be the best LSD I've ever had in my life and most everyone agreed.

Even now, I can still feel a difference between different batches.  They all center around the same experience, but have slight subjective, yet noticable, differences.  They're all LSD-25, but what else is going on...

just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.


The other thing I'll say is I have some liquid that is remarkably clean, very, very proper.  But one trip I had some lasting stomach troubles, like my upper stomach was feeling clenched, and in a bit of pain.  But I attribute that moreso to the fact the night before I had a good amount to drink and a bunch of cheese and oily food which I never eat (lactose intolerant).


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26911233 - 09/01/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

the crystal that you describe as black goo is neither crystal nor pure, though it may have been 80%-90% pure lsd plus 10%-20% miscellaneous junk.

why you got cramps may be unrelated to quality, but to dose and set and setting.


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: Rapjack]
    #26911390 - 09/01/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Could be fluffed vs not fluffed. American stuff is almost always made into fluff, perhaps it's a matter of which receptors get activated more. I know that one of the serotonin sites that psilocin affects can cause stomach aches / nausea so perhaps it's similar? Just my uneducated guess, it seems that low quality isn't as common as before.




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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #27505047 - 10/15/21 03:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ok so i found out that the stomach trouble came a) from drinking too much black tea and energy drink which i have reduced greatly for that reason and b) from eating during the trip causing digestion issues... the acid seems to be very pure and the nausea just a basic side effect from the serotonergic activity.

i do agree by now that eventual physical side effects are almost always the result of lsd interacting with the serotonin system, and not of any impurity.

still i had the impression that the 2 batches (swiss / american), while laid at the same strength, hit my receptors differently and others confirmed that.. the experiences varied accordingly and consistently, but i can neither verify it, nor explain why...


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Re: swiss liquid - stomach trouble [Re: epilectric]
    #27627259 - 01/21/22 02:47 PM (2 years, 7 days ago)

ok so i scored a few sugar cubes of pharmaceutical quality liquid made for study purposes in canada.. mic'd the same as the said swiss - 120 ug. expecting somewhat similar results from the same dose, i took ~25 mics, having done the exact same amount from a sugar cube of the swiss ones exactly 1 month before that...and guess what: the pharmaceutical is much weaker, both in terms of bodyload and in terms of euphoria, mind trip, visuals... the only thing they seem to give me are sharped senses, mental clarity, sharper colours. but no patterns whatsoever. with the swiss stuff i could see slight fractals on surfaces with as low as 20 mics. the pharmaceutical really does seem to be very mild on the body, no stomach trouble whatsoever at said doses.. i checked my pupils and they were enlarged to the same degree you would expect with ~25mics

but it's mental effects are so subtle. i have taken 25mics of it once after that and once a couple of months ago from a microdosing solution... same thing, i don't even notice it apart from a bit of HD vision

overall i prefer the swiss now, even if it's just 15 mics.. whatever creates the bodyload/stomach thing also creates some pleasurable/euphoric/calming components that i have no explanation for and that the new batch is lacking.


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