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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26876951 - 08/12/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey y'all

So my 3rd flush of these are turning out weird and stubby



I dunked after my 2nd flush for 24h and taped up the holes with micropore tape. The humidity is struggling to stay up, the sides of the tub don't have condensation on them like they used to.

I read somewhere that short and stubby like this is usually an indication of not enough FAE but I don't have a definitive answer. I've removed half the tape from the holes to allow more FAE. Any other advice?

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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26877042 - 08/12/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That looks like it’s just about used up.

They start growing weird when the tub is almost spent.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26877046 - 08/12/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ah gotcha.

Out of curiosity, what would happen if you broke it up and mixed it with fresh substrate? Would it keep going?


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26877060 - 08/12/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Probably for a little bit.

It’s probably also from being waterlogged, I won’t dunk for more than a couple hours now because I had problems with the next flush being too wet.

Idk how much weight you’ve harvested but it looks like the sub has shrank a lot.

This was one I let go seven flushes and it started growing weird around five.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26877061 - 08/12/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh right.

It was hard to find up-to-date info on whether to dunk after the first, or the second flush. And if so how long to dunk for. I read stuff that said 24h so did that. 😞


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26877146 - 08/12/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

24 hours is a very long dunk. I’ve forgotten subs for like 16-18 hours and they were all soggy and most triched out afterwards. I like 2-3 hours.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26884515 - 08/17/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well I managed to get 3 flushes out of the tub so far, weighing in at:

60g
37g
28g

However I now have mould:



I've cut it out with a flamed clean knife, is there any way to save this? Looks like there's mould over the surface of the tub on the pins. I read about hydrogen peroxide (which I have) can be diluted and sprayed but wanna make sure.

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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884519 - 08/17/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You could try cutting a huge area out, but there’s no point really. After three flushes there’s not much left.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26884522 - 08/17/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that was my thought.

Figured now would be a good time to experiment with mould control though. Any advice on how I can kill the mould and not the myc, even if it's just to see how moult treatment works.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884534 - 08/17/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Also, if anyone can identify the type of mould here (green surrounded by white) I'd appreciate that, so I can do some research and read up about it. If my research is correct it looks like Trichoderma harzianum.

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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884560 - 08/17/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That’s trich.

You could maybe keep the top 20% of the sub but even that’s iffy. Trich is fast and once you see that much it’s usually already everywhere.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26884586 - 08/17/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I do wonder if it's done. The small pins on the other side of the tub have white fluff on them that's not myc.

Should I just chuck it?

Do I need to do anything else? This tub was sitting on top mu other tub which is going very slowly after the 1st flush after I dunked it for 24h, only 3 shrooms and not really any pins.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884971 - 08/17/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Also to note is the white fuzz on the pins, is that trich or something else? How do I get rid of it?

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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884983 - 08/17/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

We call em fuzzy feet. It's a sign they want nore fresh air


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26884991 - 08/17/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@tryptkaloids are you sure?

I've had fuzzy feet on my other mushrooms but never all over the top of the pins before they're mature, e.g.



The tub did fine for the first 2 flushes with the same FAE setup. The 3rd flush had stubby mutant shrooms, some with holes in the stem where they'd split.



They contained a much higher water content than the previous 2 flushes as they went from 400g to 28g dry, whereas the others went from 600g to 60g.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26884997 - 08/17/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oh i didn't see a pic you were referring to. Sounds like they were aborted and are turning back into myc.

The mutatuons you referred to are usually due to an oversaturated substrate


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26885004 - 08/17/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well that would make sense, I dunked for 24h which I've subsequently been told was too long, and would explain the high water content and stubby nature of the mushrooms.

So if I manage to control the trich then it sounds like this will continue to fruit?

On a separate note, I have another tub that I also dunked for 24h after the 1st flush and it's not really doing anything, I posted about it here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26885002&page=0&vc=#26885002

If anyone can offer any advice on how I can get it to go, I'd appreciate it.


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    #26885044 - 08/17/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dump the trich tub or you WILL regret it.

Be patient with the other one. It might be exhausted. How old is it?


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #26885050 - 08/17/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Out of curiosity, what could happen if I keep the trich tub?

The other tub is 2 weeks younger than this tub. I got a good first flush off it of about 1kg wet, then I dunked about 2 weeks ago, and it's not really done anything since.


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Re: First Grow & Monotub Questions [Re: uketernity]
    #26885054 - 08/17/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just wait, its almost there.  Keeping a moldy tub around vastly increases the spore load in your house and can sabotage future grows. The more mold spores around the more likely they'll get into your work


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