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mattsh
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Strong dose alone
#26833467 - 07/19/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone
I very much want to try bigger dose than usual but I don't really have someone to turn to to keep an eye on me during the trip to be honest. I've always been tripping by myself but I think I have reached the maximum dose I am comfortable taking when I'm alone. I've never had a bad trip or anything like that but I got scared and anxious a couple of times. Do you have any advice please ?
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh] 3
#26833483 - 07/20/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you have yet to experience several bad trips - not just uncomfortable moments or anxiety or fear - but bad trips - then I would personally keep on with what you are doing, for now... That way when you’ve had a couple and know how you react in such a situation you can know how to better prepare for an upcoming trip at a higher dose, all while knowing the realities of psychedelic drug use - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Having someone you implicitly trust with you while you have ur first couple bad trips is good. Imagine being a young lad and having your first nightmare/sleep paralysis/night terrors - but not having a parent or older sibling around to let you know it’s Over and that everything’s fine and that ultimately, dreams aren’t real in the traditional sense of the word - all in order to soothe & reassure you so that you don’t spin yourself off into mental instability over something that’s ultimately illusory.
There’s much to be learned from a bad trip - but not necessarily in the way most would think - and they simply go with the territory, like dreaming and having nightmares, they happen for paradoxically complex yet simple reasons. It’s easy to keep it together when the bodily euphoria is on and our headspace is comprised of cognitive clarity & our hearts are pure - but what about when they are not? If our conscience can spoil the mood in our dreams and our day to day lives, so to speak, because of how we’ve lived rightly or wrongly in our daily lives or unfavorable/difficult life circumstances at the time - then how much more powerfully can the mind play its tricks when under the influence of psychedelics? And paradoxically - allow us to see through those tricks so we can know ourselves more clearly While we are at our personal worst(s) morally or physically or mentally etc?
Bad trips are like a distorted & amplified samsara or hell realm, the dark side. normally kept buried away & locked up, containing faceted reflections or refractions of truth / our lives that we often would rather not even be aware of - but that also have the most value when brought bravely into awareness and faced with equanimity, despite the illusory situations & events that play out during a bad trip. An incredibly difficult thing to do for almost everyone. It can yield a supremely bright dark light though. So don’t despair too much. bad trips and good trips alike are like dreams - and that has its pros and cons. And oddly enough, the true nature of samsara is nirvana - so...take that as you will.
I’ve pulled the tigers whiskers more than once and I’ve learned the hard way, so I’m not talking out of my ass or to scare you, but rather to give an honest appraisal of a situation that I wish I had been prepped on - as opposed to the one sided marketing & advertising psychedelics often are given in communities who swear by them. (Which I’m a part of )
Until accustomed, I say tread carefully. Know thyself. And that’s something only you can do for you. So if none of this applies, please ignore and do what you believe is most appropriate when discerned honestly & thoroughly in the light of day.
Some cultures actually have groups of individuals that at times aim for truly horrendously bad & dysphoric trips. And they’ve got their reasons. Anyways, that’s getting too far off topic!
Keep in mind that this is just my opinion - but that it is based on experience. You may be fine regardless of the trip you have, but I think it’s unwise to gamble needlessly with the mind. One doesn’t climb Mount Kilimanjaro the day after they climb a 2 story rock wall. Some might, and some might get lucky, others might not be so lucky.
But the prepared & time tested climber has the experience & wherewithal to deal with whatever is thrown at them more appropriately & wisely - much more so than the novice climber, who if gets in over his head alone, will surely reap consequences they aren’t equipped to handle. Be the prepared & experienced climber.
It would be one thing if the psychedelic experience were just a high and that’s all, but It’s so much more, so don’t treat it haphazardly or immaturely. There’s no rush. Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast. Wait for some others to chime in & hear what they have to say. 
best to you.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (07/24/20 12:09 AM)
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26833484 - 07/20/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Make sure you are home, have comfortable clothing on, and have access to a clean bathroom. I'd suggest not eating for 5 hours before and using tea or lemon tek to mitigate nausea.
How big of a dose?
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Bad trips can be hell but its all apart of the big puzzle. Can't have "good" without "bad".
You really don't have anyone you can ask to like sit in the living room or something while you're in your room? They don't have to be right next to you. Just making sure you don't get up and start wandering outside or anything.
What's the dlse you're looking at to take OP?
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The Blind Ass said:
Bad trips are like a distorted & amplified samsara or hell realm, the dark side. normally kept buried away & locked up, containing faceted reflections or refractions of truth / our lives that we often would rather not even be aware of - but that also have the most value when brought bravely into awareness and faced with equanimity, despite the illusory situations & events that play out during a bad trip. An incredibly difficult thing to do for almost everyone. It can yield a supremely bright dark light though. So don’t despair too much. bad trips and good trips alike are like dreams - and that has its pros and cons.
This resonates strongly with me. I stumbled into a panicked hell with 6g of P. Subs and whilst I had an idea of what would be brought from my subconscious, I was not ready for what it presented. No trip sitter either
I still dont feel ready to go back in that deep.
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The Blind Ass said: Some cultures actually have groups of individuals that at times aim for truly horrendously bad & dysphoric trips. And they’ve got their reasons. Anyways, that’s getting too far off topic!
Id love to read about them if you could point me in the right direction?
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Perhaps preparing for the bad trip and what it could present to you would help. I mean spending time by yourself to look in the mirror of your mind. I believe if you are prepared for hell, you can have more control and distance from the experience, but I have not done a high dose. That is how I would approach it anyways. Setting must be very important and may I also recommend to have some simple music on hand if you need to anchor yourself to something. McKenna always said sing yourself out of a bad place. Helps to regulate breathing to a calm pace as well. Also if I were to take a high dose I wouldn't do it lemon tek or anything to not overwhelm myself.
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26834035 - 07/20/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey OP, great post from The Blind Ass.
It sounds like you’ve tripped a lot, or am I misreading your post?
If I read correctly, you’ve tripped a lot, and are worried about dosing higher because you’ve previously felt anxiety.
I would be careful; it seems to me that you are not a suitable candidate for taking a high dose of mushrooms alone. Get a trusted person to be in the same house at least, or do not dose.
Listen to the friendly people on here.
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: DJ Ed]
#26841724 - 07/23/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am not worried about a bad trip in itself, I'll take whatever comes to me, my concern is more about not doing something stupid and regrettable, or being without help in case of a medical problem. I do not care really whether the trip is good or bad, it's about the experience. Of course it'd be better to keep the good and get rid of the bad but honestly even if it was possible I would definitely not go that route. I've had good times and bad times in my life and and I'm well aware of everything that's wrong with me today, I'm not worried. I've discovered mushrooms and they resonate with me more than anything or anyone ever did. They're showing me the world and I will accept anything they want me to experience. However I still really want to remain safe. At no point I am gambling with my mind, but no matter how safe mushrooms are said to be, I feel like there's a real need to be cautious with my health.
The Blind Ass, are bad trips for you about the dark side, things that are buried away and locked up ? It is weird because this is something that comes up regularly to me and I do not feel like stepping into the bad trip realms, of course it's still very uncomfortable at times. My bad trip would be defined by irrational fear and terror, anxiety or anger, I've experienced it but only for a short amount of time, then the trip kept its course. I really liked your idea of psychedelics preventing the mind to play its tricks, allowing you to face who you really are, what your values and hopes are and brutally showing you whether or not your life course aligns with them. Maybe bad trips happen because of the dissonance between those. It's weird because this misalignment has been my main source of both comfort and discomfort when it comes to trips. Tell me, what's the risk for a novice climber to face the tiger head on instead of just pulling the whiskers, assuming of course that you're in a safe place ? I want to befriend the tiger and even if it takes years I will.
Yeah it's that's about it vibe_enthusiast I've got no one really. I've spent a lot of time with my mind, InnerWisdom, mushrooms are here to show me what my eyes can't see as well as what my mind doesn't want me to see. DJ Ed I think you're right it would be better not to do it for now and take it slow. Any case I won't do it until I feel safe doing it. It's just that it's a situation that will come up again later.
The only alternate option I'm thinking of would be an Ayahuasca ceremony, I've read about it but tripping in an unknown place and surrounded with strangers is definitely not an option for me, so back to square one.
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26841829 - 07/24/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good questions. I’ll touch on that distinction soon & get to the tiger part too .
***Putting this here for now as bookmark of sorts. I’ll come back and write a proper response once I’ve articulated it in my head & on paper.
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26842154 - 07/24/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So as Vibe asked, what doses have you taken and what dose are you looking to take?
If you're talking about a major jump in dose, one that will undoubtedly obliterate you, that is something you have to decide for yourself (if you can't get a sitter now or even in the foreseeable future).
I've yet to take a heroic dose alone, but sometimes I conceptualize it like this:
I used to drink alcohol. I had times where, completely alone, I got absolutely destroyed (complete black-out drunk). I've woken up many times during that heavy drinking period wondering how the fuck I got home. I've woken up in many situations (odd cuts, scrapes, etc, twisted on the floor, in different rooms, etc). But, for a long time, it hadn't stopped me from drinking like that. I weighed the risk vs. reward and came to the conclusion that the risk (doing something stupid, getting killed accidentally while blacked out, etc) was worth the reward (being unbelievably drunk. Which isn't a reward but I thought it was at the time because it made my problems briefly disappear).
So I think that this is the way these issues need to be approached. Especially because everything in life, even doing nothing, comes with risk.
If you are ready to go deeper, but you know you won't be able to get a sitter for a considerable amount of time, you need to weigh the risk vs. rewards of taking the dose alone and decide where you stand.
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mattsh said: Tell me, what's the risk for a novice climber to face the tiger head on instead of just pulling the whiskers, assuming of course that you're in a safe place ? I want to befriend the tiger and even if it takes years I will.
The Blind Ass will have a better answer than mine for this here since he is much more experienced and knowledgable than me but here's my take:
You face the tiger. You get hurt or die. If you make it out alive, you've learned a great deal.
You avoid the tiger. You've learned nothing and 15 feet down the road you encounter another tiger. You repeat the process. Eventually, you must face the tiger. You get hurt or die. If you make it out alive, you've learned a great deal.
So the process is about when you decide to face the difficulties and tragedies of life. Because they will happen to you. You cannot avoid the tiger forever, and if you do, you lead a meaningless life revolving around avoidance.
And I believe this metaphor applies to everything that stand in your path, not just a psychedelic experience.
Addition: I'd just like to add the world is incredibly complex and even though our world has created the "illusion" of safety, there is danger all around. You can be going for a simple walk, in a neighborhood with giant sidewalks and little vehicle traffic and find yourself in the wrong place/time as a drunk driver mows you down. And if you drive, the statistics show how dangerous such an activity is. The pandemic that we are experiencing now shows how dangerous and volatile life is, in and of itself. Now none of this is to say that people should take unnecessary risks. One complex part of being an individual is deciding, personally without considering other subjective beings, which risks are worth taking for you. They won't always be the same as those for other people. And being such an individual, risks often differ in magnitude for you over other people. There are individuals who take massive doses (in as responsible of a manner as possible) and are able to manage the experience. And there are others who don't because they believe (or have proof via past experience) that they can't manage such a thing.
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26842547 - 07/24/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattsh said: Hey everyone
I very much want to try bigger dose than usual but I don't really have someone to turn to to keep an eye on me during the trip to be honest. I've always been tripping by myself but I think I have reached the maximum dose I am comfortable taking when I'm alone. I've never had a bad trip or anything like that but I got scared and anxious a couple of times. Do you have any advice please ?
Thanks
Trust that it will be okay. It's only mushrooms. If you're experienced and believe you know how to navigate the psychedelic experience to some degree i think you should be good for a large dose alone. Have a good time
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Re: Strong dose alone [Re: mattsh]
#26842833 - 07/24/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattsh said: Hey everyone
I very much want to try bigger dose than usual but I don't really have someone to turn to to keep an eye on me during the trip to be honest. I've always been tripping by myself but I think I have reached the maximum dose I am comfortable taking when I'm alone. I've never had a bad trip or anything like that but I got scared and anxious a couple of times. Do you have any advice please ?
Thanks
Sure. Just go for it. So long as you have some experience tripping solo at high doses is very rewarding and not scary at all.
You have to want to enjoy what happens though, that can take some time. 
Edit: I come back to modify this response after reading the whole thread. There's a world of caution you can exercise, but ultimately it comes down to just trusting yourself to be able to handle whatever happens appropriately. The thing about tripping of course is that you DON'T know what might happen, no matter how much experience you have. Hence the advice for caution.
As usual, though, you can just work your way up to whatever dose you consider to be extreme. For me it's just this side of blackouts. Once I have that dialed in there's nothing really to be concerned about.
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Hey OP, seems very wise to take care and avoid a crash and burn. Long ago I read a book that described a race of creatures that lived clinging to rocks under the current of a swiftly moving stream. One guy became restless, so much so he let loose and quickly tumbled along the bottom, bruised and also jeered by the other creatures. He stuck tight for a while but soon became even more restless and unhappy than before. So he released himself again but this time the current lifted him above the debris and he cruised along, looking down, free of danger, amazed and content.
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