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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26833203 - 07/19/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol: all you do on here is push your biased political agenda.


wrong.  I disagree with you guys pushing your agenda.  Because of your superior attitude you translate that as me pushing an agenda.  You’re not used to dissenting voices.

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You consistantly make these snarky little insult posts about people you percieve as left-wing,


No. I’m not allowed that freedom, you are.

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that perfectly describe yourself and exactly what you do.


No it doesn't, but it describes a number of left leaning individuals that like to post here, you included.

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There is no way you're not doing it on purpose,


Doing what? Responding with opinions from outside your echo chamber?

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no one is that self-unaware.



Well, in my honest opinion, you and pirate blues sure are.

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In your own words:

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It’s even funnier how the people who are the most obviously politically biased are the ones that accuse everyone else.







You zeople are to far gone.  I appreciate your admiration of my statement, though.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues] * 4
    #26833245 - 07/19/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 2
    #26833279 - 07/19/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman]
    #26833285 - 07/19/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.



Yes there is, there always has been. You're not as in tune with social commentary as you think you are, especially when it concerns minorities.

black and spanish communities all around the country are pretty mixed with each other. You'd be a fool to think that the current movement is only about black people. We had the one drop rule that had actual legislation around it. If you were dark enough or had the right hair texture you were labeled black, even if you didn't have black parents. If you fit the "look" then that was it. You were automatically barred from certain parts of society. Those ugly parts of our country's past are still relevant today. Read some history Qman, maybe you'll understand current social struggles and injustices a bit better.

And put what back into perspective? Who do you think you are, some kind of mediator at a summer camp? These issues are emotional because of the historical context that gave rise to them in the first place. There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26833288 - 07/19/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah but humans do give a lot of fucks about each other :shrug:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 2
    #26833292 - 07/19/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All you guys matter


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26833319 - 07/19/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No you! :hug:

People are getting so caught up with the wording. I don't think there's word or message that can include everyone and keeps the same level of impact and if there is, it would take some serious marketing for it to break through. Its why the lgbtq acronym has turned into this LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual), trying to include everyone. It just becomes convoluted. Black lives matter is simple and makes people pay attention. I get that the wording isn't perfect but it makes headlines and more awareness through such a title vs something forgettable or too complicated.

I interpret the term to include anyone that's suffered under police abuse. If an officer is abusing you physically, your rights as an American, well thats a normal everyday reality for people of color. So by default you've gotten a taste of what minorities have been suffering and enduring for decades.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 3
    #26833412 - 07/19/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




That's like saying you support animal abuse if you criticize any aspect of the organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).  "Oh, you like to have a pet cat or dog?  That makes you an evil abuser who hates animals" it's profoundly absurd.


One might even suggest that naming themselves "Black Lives Matter" is a strategy intending to short-circuit people's criticism of their goals/mission statements.  Anyone who thinks criticism of the group Black Lives Matter means you don't think the "lives of black people matter" is cognitively deficient. 

So if you think Marxism doesn't work and is a bad idea, you are automatically a racist since the people who run BLM are openly trained Marxist.  So basically if you are against Communism/China, North Korea, & Russia's Systems you are a racist is that correct? 


https://www.yonkerstribune.com/2020/06/the-black-lives-matter-movement-is-the-enemy-of-african-americans-by-leslie-taha

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TACOMA, WA — June 20, 2020 — The first thing that I have to say is that I am an African American man living in the Minneapolis area. I have to state this now; otherwise I would probably be called a racist.

Most people think that Black Lives Matter is a grass-roots, black created, black run organization dedicated to fighting racism. It most certainly is not. The Black Lives Matter movement is the creation of a group of a few very wealthy individuals, non-profit corporations, and the corporate media (incidentally, 90% of the U.S. media is controlled by only six corporations)

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

On the official Black Lives Matter website, BlackLivesMatter.com https://blacklivesmatter.com/ it states that Black Lives Matter is a global network foundation that is active in the U.S., U.K., and Canada. A global network!

Who funds Black Lives Matter? It’s funded by billionaires George Soros (Open Society Foundation), Rob McKay (Taco Bell heir), the Ford Foundation, the Borealis Philanthropy, the Democracy Alliance, and many others. Not exactly what I would call a black run grass-roots organization. If these facts alone don’t cause you to rethink the whole Black Lives Matter thing, then you just aren’t paying attention. (Check out the links below)

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/

http://bmafunders.org/who-is-funding-black-lives-matter/

Black Lives Matter began in 2013 when the media suddenly started focusing a tremendous amount of attention on what they portrayed as the rise of unjustified, racially motivated killings of African American men by white police officers. That’s the way that the media portrayed it, but the facts say otherwise.

Are police shootings of African American men on the rise? No they are not. In fact they are on the decline. According to the Juvenile and Criminal Justice Report, the rate of police killings of African Americans has fallen by 70% over the last 40-50 years. http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113

article cont: https://www.yonkerstribune.com/2020/06/the-black-lives-matter-movement-is-the-enemy-of-african-americans-by-leslie-taha






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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26833470 - 07/19/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 3
    #26833719 - 07/20/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Cosmic_Flame said: There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




I’d say taking advantage of a national crisis to violently push a political agenda is an arguement unto itself.  Let’s also not forget about the attempt to overthrow the government....


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 2
    #26833925 - 07/20/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.



Yes there is, there always has been. You're not as in tune with social commentary as you think you are, especially when it concerns minorities.

black and spanish communities all around the country are pretty mixed with each other. You'd be a fool to think that the current movement is only about black people. We had the one drop rule that had actual legislation around it. If you were dark enough or had the right hair texture you were labeled black, even if you didn't have black parents. If you fit the "look" then that was it. You were automatically barred from certain parts of society. Those ugly parts of our country's past are still relevant today. Read some history Qman, maybe you'll understand current social struggles and injustices a bit better.

And put what back into perspective? Who do you think you are, some kind of mediator at a summer camp? These issues are emotional because of the historical context that gave rise to them in the first place. There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




There's outrage about males being arrested and imprisoned more than 10 times than females?  I don't think so, the narrative is very selective, it's white vs non-white.

Also, what makes you think I'm oblivious to the historic struggles of minorities in the US?  That's a very arrogant type of attitude.

And yes, there's PLENTY of non-racist arguments to be had against aspects of the BLM movement. If you're going to suggest that a certain movement should be free of criticism, you're no longer a person worthy of discussion. Any movement is made up of humans who are always fallible, therefore it's important to examine what they say and what they do. It's more complicated than if you're against BLM, then you're racist. That's an attitude of confrontation and anger, it's an attitude of shutting down discussion and ultimately, it's an attitude of division, not unity.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 4
    #26834019 - 07/20/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

After I posted that I knew I was going to trigger some folks. I've been on this site long enough to see all the ridiculous concern trolling, subtle racist rhetoric and blatant crazy conspiracy theories to know it doesn't matter how one words a post about sensitive topics. I don't hold any ill will towards anyone on here so I'm not going to reply with any more inflammatory comments. I'm sorry for sarcastically calling you a camp counselor qman :hug:

I should of clarified, I was kind of hoping the context of my post would suffice. I'll make this point now. The movement isn't without criticism, no movement is, nothing is ever perfect especially something like this. However, its core message is simple. Minorities matter and should not suffer systemic abuse any longer. If you have a problem with that message then you have some serious prejudices you should probably work on. Asante's op is clear, if you disagree with it then I don't know what to tell you. So yes I'll say it again for those in the back, if you're against black lives matter, you're probably racist. People shouldn't be given a pass for their racism. Its not healthy for our society. I like to think people can change and be civil, so maybe there's hope for true change in the system. A movement like this isn't dividing the country anymore than it already was prior. Its just bringing out the true colors of our society. I can agree to disagree. 

I do have hang ups with how the organization is profiting off of people. Its the same crap that's been happening with lgbtq movements (rainbow tax) Its an unfortunate symptom of our capitalistic system. Nothing can exist in this society and have power without it being profitable. I don't like it but its the way things are. The organization of black lives matter is a totally different discussion vs the movement, lets not conflate the two.

And Qman I'm not assuming anything. You can call me arrogant all you like but I've seen and read many of your posts in the political forum over the years. You have a distorted perspective on what American minorities experience. And I can only assume this comes from a lack of historical understanding which has led to current events. Or you're just being intellectually dishonest and maybe you do know better but for the sake of being contrarian or "moderate" as you would put it, you play this concern trolling game of whataboutisms. I mean its all over this thread.

But I'm not worthy :lol: so ima bow out


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 6
    #26834118 - 07/20/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like that word “systemic” because it removes any obligation or responsibility to point out who has been racist and you just get to go “oh well it’s everyone, it’s everything.....trust me”.

I’m most definitely saving that one in my memory bank for various arguments.  It’s impossible to defend, very niiice.:borat:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #26834242 - 07/20/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black flies matter!


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan] * 2
    #26834259 - 07/20/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My aunt posted this hilarious picture of a goya can with the caption “black beans matter”


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26834294 - 07/20/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The are good for you


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan] * 2
    #26834310 - 07/20/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well would you look at that..  a bunch of black folk “defaced” the BLM “mural” outside of Trump Tower, and it’s not the first time they did it.  Now why would you suppose they would do something like that?:sherlock:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26834312 - 07/20/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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All lives won't matter until black lives matter.


And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.




1 in 3 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18 while the data for boys is 1 in 5 boys. Does this data mean that female lives don't matter? Of course not. That would be a silly conclusion to reach.

All lives matter. BLM has caused many people to hyper-focus on one group of people, which is ridiculous. White-skinned people have also suffered unfairly and have been killed at the hands of police, but people get angry when facts like that are brought up because people want to focus on black-skinned people being victims. 

I think the BLM movement has caused much more harm to society than anything positive. 

Nobody who joins a mass movement considers their holy crusade might have negative consequences.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 5
    #26834387 - 07/20/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's obvious that Black lives matter but the actual BLM group are fascist. They've admitted that themselves. Fuck the BLM group, Fuck Antifa, and Fuck you if you are one of them.



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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: LikeMyc] * 2
    #26834459 - 07/20/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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