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Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry?
#26832183 - 07/19/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nocked up these rye berries on 7/13, but growth has been extremely slow.
 Did the no-soak method-- rinsed well, boiled for ~15 minutes, then sat in pot for maybe 30+ min before draining. Grains were "al dente" following draining-- firm but you could easily bite through them so they seemed right based on pics around.
Applied gypsum powder post drain and it rushed out of the bag so I ended up using more than intended, but was under impression that it shouldn't affect colonization.
PC'd ~17PSI for 100min, let them cool for a bit inside pot, then sat overnight where I nocked up the following day. They looked dry to me, but clearly were still swollen internally-- I figured the gypsum chalkiness made them look so dry.
First 3 days kept at around 70 degrees, then moved to 78 or so. Now it's a week since dropping the agar and this is all I have gotten-- three other jars look identical.
Did I over dry the rye?
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: coAsTal]
#26832192 - 07/19/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look under hydrated based on that pic.
For the future if you decide to use gypsum you really only need a pinch!
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26832193 - 07/19/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man, I was afraid of that-- I wonder if you think I should maybe try a different method of soak or shorter PC time?
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: coAsTal]
#26832201 - 07/19/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use wheat and I do a no soak hard boil method. I also pc for 2hrs so your pc time isnt the issue.
Basically you need to check over your grain as it boils, bust open a few and observe their hydration levels. I like 75% or so of my grain to be nearly completely translucent on the inside before taking off the heat.
Rye is a really similar grain to wheat, maybe my wheat guide will help you out https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26326713
If that jar manages to colonize in within 3 weeks of making it, I'd probably still use it. If not it's most likely toast.
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: coAsTal]
#26832211 - 07/19/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rinse grain couple of times in a bucket or a pot until water is clear and no chaff floats around anymore.
Add hot water from tap, a spoon of gypsum, mix well and soak for 24H.
Simmer for 10-15 minutes stirring grain from time to time.
Dry them so it's dry to the touch and load jars. That's what I've been doing and my jars are -perfecto-. Not a single pool of water, no bacteria, fast colonisation, breaks up easily for spawning or g2g.
I tried no soak and no boil straight to PC teks but doesn't work for me, too dry or too wet and I don't want to waste 100 jars to dial that in. Growing take couple of weeks anyways so one day more doesn't make any difference.
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26832214 - 07/19/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll read your thread now. Fortunately I have plenty of good agar wedges remaining, so this is a short setback-- it was my first time using rye, so I bet I just needed to wait longer on the heat like you said.
Next time I'll avoid gypsum aside from the pinch, and will monitor better-- thank you my friend
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: coAsTal]
#26832227 - 07/19/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grains definitely look dry to me. 15min is a little short, i would go for 30-40min (depending on amount of grains). Use the toilet paper test after the cook to check moisture levels
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: maxmush]
#26832234 - 07/19/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd used TC hamloaf's tek as my guide https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25047342
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hamloaf said: 1 and a quarter cups (300ml, 250g) of dry rye per quart jar.

Pour dry rye into pot.

Rinse twice with hot water.

Fill pot with cold water 3 inches above level of level of rye.

Place pot onto stove.

Turn stove onto high.

When water reaches a full boil, set timer for 10 minutes.

Once rye has a boiled for 10 minutes, turn off stove, and allow rye to sit in hot water for 10 minutes.

After 10 minute hot water bath, place grains in strainer of choice.

Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.

Load jars to between 5/8ths to 3/4ths full.

Cap jars.

Place foil square onto jar lids.

Fill PC with water.

Place jars into PC.

Pressure cook @ 15-20 psi for 90-120 minutes. 
Fully colonized rye.

Fruits.

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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: maxmush]
#26832240 - 07/19/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I say in my tek to set a mental timer for 15 min once at a boil because the actual amount of time it takes varies.
If I'm cooking 10 jars worth they hydrate faster than if I'm cooking 10 bags worth. I can get a pot of less grain to a rolling boil faster and it's more vigorous than a pot of more grain.
The tp method doesnt tell you the moisture of the inside of the grain, it only tells you if it's dry enough on the outside to load. To verify inside moisture levels, you pretty much need to bust it open and look.
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26832243 - 07/19/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for the advice buddy-- I'll apply it when I try again on my next day off and will post my progress so hopefully it will help some others to avoid this time-wasting mistake
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: coAsTal]
#26832305 - 07/19/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's easiest way with rye.
1cup rye 215-220ml water 1/8 tsp gypsum
If you dont use gypsum go with 210ml-215ml h20
Just load in jars that order. Seal jars. Let soak overnight or do it now. Doesn't matter. Pressure cook for 65min if using quarts. After the ten min vent.
That's how I do it. Once PC hits zero psi take jars out and shake to keep it from clumping. Hot jars are brittle. Be careful . That works for me perfect with no issues at all. None.
65min is long enough also. I know it is.
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26832324 - 07/19/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quick question for nate. do you use red or white wheat?
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26832360 - 07/19/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The hang-up with the water-in-jar PC'ing for me is that I only have that little presto that'll hold 2 quarts only and they both have to almost lay down on their side to fit the lid on--
I would be worried that the water would get into the lid and cause problems...don't have the space for a 23 quart in this place, though I'll likely buy one the minute we get into a bigger house...
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Hobbit GDF said: Here's easiest way with rye.
1cup rye 215-220ml water 1/8 tsp gypsum
If you dont use gypsum go with 210ml-215ml h20
Just load in jars that order. Seal jars. Let soak overnight or do it now. Doesn't matter. Pressure cook for 65min if using quarts. After the ten min vent.
That's how I do it. Once PC hits zero psi take jars out and shake to keep it from clumping. Hot jars are brittle. Be careful . That works for me perfect with no issues at all. None.
65min is long enough also. I know it is.
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southbounpachyderm said: Quick question for nate. do you use red or white wheat?
I'm not 100% sure but I think white. I just go to the local feed store and ask for whole wheat and that's what they give me 
@hobbit- 65 minutes seems woefully short but if you say it works for you then it works for you
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Re: Too much gypsum in grain spawn...or too dry? [Re: natedawgnow]
#26832439 - 07/19/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I thought so to. I was given the advice and rolled with it. 65min for quarts only. It's been successful since I started.
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