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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26831764 - 07/19/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got it from a large online supplier so I’d hope it is tested. I never had a problem with kratom then I got this batch and all hell broke loose. I noticed it was really fucking me up mentally and physically. I was getting pretty dizzy days prior and it was hard to keep anything down. i also was getting really fucked up from it till I nodded off. What made it worse was I seizured at the dispensary before I got anything so I left without any weed. I really like weed and not having it was another stressor to add. 2020 just fucking sucks. its like polio has came back with this covid shit. Cant believe I was in quarantine from Kratom shits unreal.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Gorlax]
#26831780 - 07/19/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You were getting dizzy days prior to taking the new stuff?
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26831817 - 07/19/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Trump is out undercutting the effort to get everyone to wear masks in a new interview. He’s a fucking criminal.
There is no limit to the selfishness of the mask hating dumb fuks.
The 09:00 news (click the "start" button to rewind to the bulletin) - I know the Trump supporting anti maskers will dismiss averything reported by "the medja" as lies- just reported an increase in demands on NHS doctors from patients wanting 'mask exemptions', innundating already overstretched staff at local surgeries.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Gorlax]
#26831975 - 07/19/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How much kratom were you using (per dose and per day)? . . .
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#26831994 - 07/19/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: people are trash. The governor of my state mandated masks in public places and suddenly every trump supporting moron who patronizes the grocery store my fiance works at has asthma or some such.
I have asthma. Still wear mine. Do these people think every nurse and doctor with asthma quits the moment they realize they have to wear a mask sometimes? They probably just dont think. At least not about anything other than their own convenience.
Even if you are mad about the govt or a store mandating masks, it is simply smart to wear one. Not wearing one "because THEY told me" is petulant 13 year old level behavior
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26832094 - 07/19/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This whole mask debate is divided in 2 camps.
Other one: Masks work 100% and are 100% safe.
Other: They will kill you and do not work at all.
The reality is between these 2 opinions.
Do masks have negative effect on your oxygen levels? yes they do.
Do they have positive effects in getting the virus in control? Yes in hotspots you need to use every tek that works. But saying this again: If you live in hotspot dont try to make people living areas with better situation to wear one.
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf
Study of the effects of surgeon mask on the oxygen levels on hemoglobin durin surgery.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26832103 - 07/19/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's interesting about that is during stress your respiration increases and your oxygen supply increases. But for surgeons with masks despite that it goes down. They didn't touch on the fact that the surgeons are probably breathing harder than normal during surgery and despite that the o2 went down
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26832116 - 07/19/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: This whole mask debate is divided in 2 camps.
Other one: Masks work 100% and are 100% safe.
Other: They will kill you and do not work at all.
That isn't true at all for either side.
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The reality is between these 2 opinions.
Do masks have negative effect on your oxygen levels? yes they do.
Do they have positive effects in getting the virus in control? Yes in hotspots you need to use every tek that works. But saying this again: If you live in hotspot dont try to make people living areas with better situation to wear one.
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf
Study of the effects of surgeon mask on the oxygen levels on hemoglobin durin surgery.
Hook yourself up to a pulse o2 meter, put on 4 surgical masks, see what difference it makes to your oxygen levels. I've done it, the effect is 0.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta] 3
#26832117 - 07/19/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: What's interesting about that is during stress your respiration increases and your oxygen supply increases. But for surgeons with masks despite that it goes down. They didn't touch on the fact that the surgeons are probably breathing harder than normal during surgery and despite that the o2 went down
You’re ridiculous
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 2
#26832121 - 07/19/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your reactive, irrational and incredibly biased.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26832133 - 07/19/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your concerns about the safety of masks are irrational.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: feevers] 1
#26832136 - 07/19/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Feevers that study is done with pulse meter. Did you read it?
Try keeping the mask on for 2-8 hours and getting no reduced oxygen levels.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] 1
#26832140 - 07/19/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Your concerns about the safety of masks are irrational.
No they are actually really real and valid.
couple days a go saw a guy driving in his car alone with gasmask on. Really not healthy choise in heat like this.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods]
#26832142 - 07/19/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why are you assuming I think masks are unsafe? I yelled at someone at my local corner store yesterday for not wearing one. Because there's a mandate and the store gets fined. It's not really up to the store anymore and don't fuck over local business. I wear them when sanding drywall too.
You can't even be a part of a discussion board without having to make up delusional rationalizations for everyone you encounter.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26832147 - 07/19/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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From that study:
"Surgical masks may impose some measurable airway resistance, but it seems doubtful if this significantly increases the process of breathing. Although it might have appeared to be likely that hypoxemia results from the increased CO2 content of the inspired air1 due to the exhaled CO2 getting trapped beneath the surgical face mask; there has been no controlled study concerning with the effect of surgical masks on the level of blood oxygenation."
"Neither preoperational values, nor the post operational values in themselves were different among the groups."
"Thus it is hard to believe that these masks serve as a reducer of oxygen uptake, but they may be acting as a psychological restriction over spontaneous breathing of the active surgeon."
"This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask"
"Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this preliminary study"
The evidence is non-existant.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: feevers] 1
#26832167 - 07/19/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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feevers said: From that study:
"Surgical masks may impose some measurable airway resistance, but it seems doubtful if this significantly increases the process of breathing. Although it might have appeared to be likely that hypoxemia results from the increased CO2 content of the inspired air1 due to the exhaled CO2 getting trapped beneath the surgical face mask; there has been no controlled study concerning with the effect of surgical masks on the level of blood oxygenation."
"Neither preoperational values, nor the post operational values in themselves were different among the groups."
"Thus it is hard to believe that these masks serve as a reducer of oxygen uptake, but they may be acting as a psychological restriction over spontaneous breathing of the active surgeon."
"This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask"
"Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this preliminary study"
The evidence is non-existant.
Funny how you cutted the next phrase off 
"Since a very small decrease in saturation at this level, reflects a large decrease in PaO2, our findings may have a clinical value for the health workers and the surgeons."
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26832169 - 07/19/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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And did not pay any effort to this one:
"Considering our findings, this is the first clinical inves-tigation reporting a decrease in blood O2 saturation and an increase in pulse rates of the surgeons after the operations due to surgical mask usage. This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask. However, it cannot be decided whether stress plays any role on the late changes, namely pulse rate increase and SpO2 level decrease; since surgeons are not allowed to perform major surgery without a facial mask in most institutions. In order to better elucidate the effects of stress, a randomized control study should have been conducted in a more controlled environment with different sorts of workers from different gender who are or are not used to wearing face masks on (such as anesthe-siologists, nurses) also working the same durations. Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this prelimi-nary study, and further studies involving measurement of gas tensions over time, both from blood and from samples obtained under the mask (in order to show a presumed build-up of CO2 under the mask) have to be carried out to elucidate this issue"
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26832180 - 07/19/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said:
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feevers said: From that study:
"Surgical masks may impose some measurable airway resistance, but it seems doubtful if this significantly increases the process of breathing. Although it might have appeared to be likely that hypoxemia results from the increased CO2 content of the inspired air1 due to the exhaled CO2 getting trapped beneath the surgical face mask; there has been no controlled study concerning with the effect of surgical masks on the level of blood oxygenation."
"Neither preoperational values, nor the post operational values in themselves were different among the groups."
"Thus it is hard to believe that these masks serve as a reducer of oxygen uptake, but they may be acting as a psychological restriction over spontaneous breathing of the active surgeon."
"This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask"
"Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this preliminary study"
The evidence is non-existant.
Funny how you cutted the next phrase off 
"Since a very small decrease in saturation at this level, reflects a large decrease in PaO2, our findings may have a clinical value for the health workers and the surgeons."
Because that has nothing to do with whether or not masks cause reduced o2 levels, it just says reduced levels have negative effects in general.
Please learn how to analyze research properly before doing exactly what the researchers explicitly say not to do and generalizing results from a preliminary study that did not prove what you claim it did.
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: feevers] 1
#26832187 - 07/19/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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"and further studies involving measurement of gas tensions over time, both from blood and from samples obtained under the mask (in order to show a presumed build-up of CO2 under the mask) have to be carried out to elucidate this issue."
Please learn to read.
"considering our findings, this is the first clinical inves-tigation reporting a decrease in blood O2 saturation and an increase in pulse rates of the surgeons after the operations due to surgical mask usage. This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask. However, it cannot be decided whether stress plays any role on the late changes, namely pulse rate increase and SpO2 level decrease; since surgeons are not allowed to perform major surgery without a facial mask in most institutions. In order to better elucidate the effects of stress, a randomized control study should have been conducted in a more controlled environment with different sorts of workers from different gender who are or are not used to wearing face masks on (such as anesthe-siologists, nurses) also working the same durations. Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this prelimi-nary study, and further studies involving measurement of gas tensions over time, both from blood and from samples obtained under the mask (in order to show a presumed build-up of CO2 under the mask) have to be carried out to elucidate this issue"
Study: there is evidence that needs further studying.
Feevers: there is no evidence
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Re: Viral outbreak in China - 2020 Global Pandemic [Re: bodhisatta] 4
#26832210 - 07/19/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhisatta has spent a lot of time undermining mask usage. Now he’s outraged I think he’s still doing it.
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bodhisatta said: And yes. There's too many people that can't use masks effectively that it makes the entire thing moot.
Wear one to protect yourself if they're so effective. Nothing to worry about from the pesky no mask folk. Or stay inside because right now earth is way too fucking dangerous for you.
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bodhisatta said: One reason masks don't work is the same reason most pejople need their hands held to grow a cube.
Sheer stupidity
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bodhisatta said: Reporter takes his mask down to address the camera. If you touch your mask it has to come off go in the trash and then you wash your hands.
Please touch your mask and put it back on to come inside the store. Fucking lol
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