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First Heroic Dose
    #26827591 - 07/16/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi guys. I am set to do my first heroic dose, 6g of Psilocybe Subaerigunosa, on the 21st, and was wondering if anyone had any tips :smile:. I have done a 1.5g and 3.5g dose of mushrooms before and deem myself ready to undertake a heroic dose. I intend to do it in a dark room with a sitter in another room in case anything goes wrong. Any tips/advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26827635 - 07/16/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just be ready! I ate a qtr once and haven't gone anywhere near that amount since.


Edited by Papes (07/16/20 06:59 PM)


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26827640 - 07/16/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You should reconsider. Maybe try 4 grams before jumping straight to 6. The difference between 3.5 grams and 5 grams can be huge. There's no need to rush.


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: nooneman]
    #26827683 - 07/16/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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nooneman said:
. Maybe try 4 grams before jumping straight to 6. The difference between 3.5 grams and 5 grams can be huge. There's no need to rush.




:whathesaid:

For starters let me just say that Idk how potent subs are compared to cubes.  Was your 3.5g trip from cubes or subs or what?
2ndly, whats the idea behind going from 3.5 to 6g? 



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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26827910 - 07/16/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah my other experiences were with subs as well. I just wanted a more intense, live changing dose but now I'm thinking maybe less than 6g will suffice...


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26827937 - 07/16/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Your dosage is always a combination of a lot of factors at any time (beyond tolerance). The actual potency of course.  Then how sure are you about wanting the potential experience?  And how did you handle lower doses of the exact same thing?  And of course the exponential nature of increasing dosage ...

Re the later, if you've done 3.5 and want to do 6, figure it will be about the ratio of the square of the weights more intense - which is 6^2/3.5^2 or about 3 times.  If that sounds feasible than go for it, otherwise dial it back to maybe 5 g instead and about twice as intense. :shrug:

Or there's the just-jump-right-in philosophy.  Tomorrow I'm looking at a significant dose of PE I've got frozen as tea, as everything else should be right.  I've eaten up to a 16 g fruit of it and that was pretty wild, since some of them turned out on the high end of the spectrum. 

I'm considering anything from 25 to 40 g as tea (fresh equivalent) but I probably won't decide until right when I'm weighing out the dose.  So I've got a range but I don't have enough experience with them yet to predict the likely effect of the high end of the range. But what I don't want is to be underwhelmed. :tongue:

FWIW I have almost never regretted consuming too much at any particular time, if the conditions (set and setting) were good. :cookiemonster:


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26831108 - 07/18/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience the most important factor in determining whether a heroic dose trip goes well or not is whether or not you can surrender to the experience. If you try to fight what's happening and try to hold on to your ego, there's a very real possibility you won't have a good time. On the other hand, if your set and setting is ideal and you completely let go and embrace the experience, it's very likely you'll have an incredible trip, maybe even a life-changing one.

Good luck!


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26831115 - 07/18/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
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nooneman said:
. Maybe try 4 grams before jumping straight to 6. The difference between 3.5 grams and 5 grams can be huge. There's no need to rush.




:whathesaid:

This is my feeling too. I've increased too far too fast before thinking I'm invincible and regretted it.


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: noodles-uk]
    #26831473 - 07/18/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Man i love a good strong mushroom tripp its like your in a different dimension an every thing is so beautiful. It depends on the mushrooms iv had mushrooms that kick your ass an others that keep you wanting more lol. Im weird thoe when i tripp i like it strong.


Edited by Mach z 800 (07/18/20 08:27 PM)


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26831538 - 07/18/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's weird.  :awwhellno:


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26833042 - 07/19/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everyone for the advice. I've decided to just do a 5g dose instead, still a pretty massive jump from 3.5g but I'm ready to surrender to the mushrooms and let the trip take me. Hopefully it all goes well. Thanks!


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26834107 - 07/20/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Laws of the universe re-written
Time slowing down
Space transcendence
Time travel
Dream recall
Telepathy
Synaesthesia
Ego dissolution
Creation of the universe.........


You’re going to love it :awesome:
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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26835218 - 07/20/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well I took them today and wasn't what I had expected. My 3.5g dose was much more intense and this dose left me feeling disappointed. Goes to show that the mushrooms really decide the dose for you... Still had a good time none the less :smile:.


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26835368 - 07/21/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Having done doses that match and exceed this I can say that a 6g dried dose of subs is not something to take lightly. That said I wouldn't discourage someone from taking such a dose rather id suggest working up to the experience.

I see you backed it down to 5g, would like to hear how you're travels went.

I tend to ere on the side of caution these days, I can always take more but I cant undo what ive taken.
Also dont get caught up with catch phrases like "heroic dose" and what not, its what you feel comfortable taking not 1up on your mates do because your cool.
You have done a few trips so you know what to expect, ask yourself "can I handle that doubled for 4 or so hours"


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26848684 - 07/27/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The best advice I can give you is that it is impossible to “be ready” for that experience.  It’s gonna go in crazy directions that you can’t even imagine.  I also just kind of dove in to a heavy dose early on, and while I don’t necessarily regret it, I realized very quickly how naive I was to think that I could handle it just by being tough. 

This being said though, don’t be scared!  If you want a crazy experience then you are never going to be satisfied until you jump into the deep end for yourself.  Best of luck friend, ride the wave.


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26850255 - 07/28/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think your tolerance was too high?

You should write up your experience. I'd read it!


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: microbiome88]
    #26850330 - 07/28/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It had been a month since I had taken mushrooms, or any drug for that matter so i don't think tolerance was an issue. I'd love to be able to write up a trip report but there really isn't a whole lot to say, but I'll say this..

The come up was just wonderful, I had an incredible body high and the visuals were as I expected them to be, convincing me that the peak would be very intense indeed.

At the start of the peak I was laying on my bed and the walls were waving and it felt like the room was taking off (like a hot air balloon lol). I quickly got bored though and ended up talking to my trip sitter for a lot of it, often trying to return to my room to allow for the proper 'heroic dose' experience and to work through the intentions that I had set. I got bored everytime and went back to my sitter, occasionally going outside to be with nature but that, weirdly, bored me too.

I was acting very childish when talking to my sitter, adopting a high pitched, childlike voice and constantly begging him to go for a walk, or watch a movie. He did'nt deem me fit to go outside as we would be in public with other walkers, and he refused to watch a movie just because lol.

Slowly but surely my mood started to head in a downwards direction, and I was just generally pissed that the trip hadn't been what I had wanted it to be. I was walking around my house talking to myself, sort of just wanting it to be over.

Soon after this I was on the come down of the peak and my sitter allowed me to go for a walk, and I was calmed/soothed by the nature surrounding me (as we had gone into a creek reserve). We spent a little over an hour just enjoying the creek and it's surroundings, until eventually we head home and my trip sitter left.

The rest of the day I was left trying to understand the trip, something I have still been doing. I still have so much to learn about mushrooms and their effects, and I now don't intend to do mushrooms in a while, in a positive way.

I do feel more sure of and confident in myself now though, so that's a positive...

Thanks for reading and I'd love to hear your take on my trip :smile:.


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: ostrowski_mate]
    #26850551 - 07/28/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the read. I am enjoying reading any and all experiences atm.

Where'd you get the subs from?

This year was my first successful hunting year so I have no previous hauls to compare to but I found that I needed 3-4g dried to give a level 3 experience. I had 5-6g thinking I would be lifted into the heavens but ended up having panic attack (no sitter, not ideal set {in hindsight}, not able to let go) having only really got to lvl 4.

I appreciate there are heaps of operator variables that come into the type of experience but I just wondered what your thoughts were on the potency of the subs you had?


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Re: First Heroic Dose [Re: microbiome88]
    #26850665 - 07/28/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I got the subs from close to where I live in the south east suburbs of melbourne, some of which were found among pine trees and some of which found in a dirt patch with a few plants. I mixed them all up, so potency I'm not too sure but the ones from the dirt patch probably weren't great. I had given 4g to my friend and he said he had a really intense trip, so I'm thinking i just got unlucky..
I would say that my 3.5g dose was a level 4 but my 5g dose was a level 3.


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