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Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want.
#26816076 - 07/10/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My first Shroom trip was when I was 17, I had half an eighth and experienced about a level 3 trip. The body high felt like slow waves of vibrations that would last 3 secs and leave for three seconds, colors were more intense. I had visuals like cartman from south park over a fire, that my friend and I built.
Now I’m not getting visuals and the body high seems weak.
Some background-
I just harvested my first successful mushroom. It’s of the APER or albino penis envy reverted variety. Maybe it was just a sales pitch but APER is supposed to be about as strong as regular APE. I ordered spores online from a refutable dealer, grew on agar, to corn grain, to bulk (compost, potting mix, gypsum, and verm. Once fruiting conditions were initiated it took about ten days until this first mushroom’s veil began to break. This mushroom weighed in at 52 grams and was about 5 1/2 inches tall. It looked healthy, and I was hoping that I would feel potent. I currently weight 265 lbs, so I am a big boy. But I got a body buzz not nearly as intense as my first times and not much else. The visuals were lacking, and only a moderate buzz that would be like equivalent to a few hits of weed on a small bong. Not the new Pharm weed but the old “grown in someone’s basement” weed.
Based off most dose calcs, 52 grams should get me to a level 4 trip. I didn’t realize that was a large amount but the trip felt unsatisfactory. In the last year, I’ve tried doses at an eighth or less and been unsatisfied. I’m not sure if I should dose heavier or not at this point. I am 100 lbs heavier now then at 17. I was hoping the APER would do the trick.
I had been on ssri’s but I’ve been tapering off for several months and stopped all together now for at least 2 weeks. But prior to that I had tapered to the lowest dose for a month, then another month at only taking it ever other day, so most of it should have been metabolized and excreted at this point.
Should I keep upping the dose until I reach the desired effect?
Do I need a strain with a better Baeocystin content or something, does it take much longer than I realize to metabolize the rest of the ssri’s? Should I have waited longer for more of the veil to tear? Did my physiology change so much that as an adult I can’t trip any more? Maybe my first teenage trip was with azures and back then no one knew what strains were?
So I’m just looking for advice from some good trip guides. Thanks.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: Biotrue] 1
#26816335 - 07/11/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup.
Work your way up a gram or two at a time until you find a spot you like.

Edit.
Dry your mushrooms and homogonize a large amount to get better consistency between doses.
I weigh a measly 120lbs and like at least an eighth for a good lift off.
Edited by HamHead (07/11/20 12:50 AM)
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: Biotrue]
#26816345 - 07/11/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Every mushroom is different. You said you grew from agar, but had what created the agar been fruited before? If not, you have no idea what you have grown out on agar. Secondly, it is very difficult to predict strength of a trip based on the weight of fresh mushrooms; because people assume 90% water content, which is very rarely true.
I tend to make tea from most of my flush and freeze it, but so I can gauge its strength, I will also dry at leat 100g to find out the water content. At 95% water, your 55g fresh would have worked out at about 3g dry. That could also exPlain your underwhelming trip. Finally you mention you have been tapering off SSRIs. I believe this is the biggest reason for your underwhelming trip; SSRIs block the same 5HT-2a brain receptors that psilocin needs, so if you’ve been in SSRIs, most people cannot trip. It took me a whole 5 months free of SSRIs, ie no dose whatsoever, before I could trip. Just keep upping the Doseage, you’ll know when your brain is getting back to baseline because the trips will get more spectacular.
Good luck DJ Ed
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: Biotrue] 2
#26816381 - 07/11/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You usually get the trip you need not want.
You should accept whatever happens.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: Biotrue]
#26816397 - 07/11/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Biotrue said: APER or albino penis envy reverted variety.
Could be your problem right there. Reverted to what, B+?
Body weight is immaterial for dosage, it's blood volume that matters and that doesn't vary nearly as much. Your shrooms may not be much potent or if multispore aren't producing the best results in the shroom you picked to try. Homogenize the rest of the grow and work up the dosage until it feels right. The rest of your concerns are unlikly, except for the SSRIs. One very consistent thing people who aren't getting much in the way of trips report here is SSRI usage - as DJ Ed says it can take a long time for that stuff to go away completely even after you stop.
The trouble with real PE or APE is they don't drop spores so they're hard to process for sale and a lot of what circulates isn't actually that because, well - if you want to make spore prints you have to have a variety that drops spores, so the throwbacks (reversions?) that do drop spores haven't got the kickass nature about them.
Get a spore swab of real APE or PE from the marketplace forum (you'll need more posts and time to access it) and don't look back. 
OR PM me in a couple weeks if you like.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26817139 - 07/11/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been drying recently and I get about 92-93% water weight. It's been that consistently. For weeks.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: LosTresOjos] 1
#26818562 - 07/12/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since I’ve been converting whole,flushes into fresh tea then freezing, I have needed to know the water content, to work out the equivalent strength of the fresh, and hence the strength of each ice cube.
I have been noting two trends:-
1. Normal harvesting technique (reach down into tub and slice or twist and pull). I will measure 90% to 90.5% water. So 55g fresh equivalent to 5.5g dry.
2. Unmodified tub, no holes. Float the substrate out to the level of the top of the tub. I can then slice easily without bending and breaking my back, at eye level. Because I’ve soaked the substrate to float it, I tend to measure 94% to 95% water. So my 55g fresh would be equivalent to 3g dry.

Note: get yourself a home winemaking syphon tube and a spare tub for the water. You will fill (and empty) a 35litre monotub in a couple of minutes. And the extra water adds an extra hour in the dehydrator - 45 deg C for 10 to 12 hours, whole 40-50 g mushrooms cracker dry.
The water content makes a HUGE difference to dry weight. Also note using dry weight is the most effective way to determine the bio efficiency of your grows. I have been getting 50% from multi-spore; my next two grows are from single sector agar wedges, so I’m expecting at least 75%, ideally over 100% 
Mush love DJ Ed
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26823007 - 07/14/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Since I’ve been converting whole,flushes into fresh tea then freezing, I have needed to know the water content, to work out the equivalent strength of the fresh, and hence the strength of each ice cube.
Sooooo, would you mind sharing that tea recipe please? :3
Also OP, have you tried lemon tekking your doses? I currently have B+ and golden teachers (which are great) on hand. The B+ felt a bit weak when I first tried them by themselves. Took the same dose exactly one week later lemon tekked and it rocked me.
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pineninja said: You usually get the trip you need not want.
You should accept whatever happens.
This has honestly been very important to me. I've had many people here tell me this and I've come across this in my personal research and readings as well.
Edited by reeelax (07/14/20 12:58 PM)
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: reeelax]
#26823229 - 07/14/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No probs, bro. I follow PrimaSoup’s method: here.
Only difference, I chuck whole mushrooms in the pan with 1:50 citric acid, and crush with a potato masher. I do this constantly while they are on rapid boil for the first minute. I only simmer for ten minutes. Then I freeze in ice cube trays, not a bottle (I don’t take as much as P.S., he experiments with daily doses, so gets up to 250g per day!!)
If you also dry 100g from the same flush and weigh once they are cracker dry, that is how you know the water cone tent of your mushrooms, and can then work out the dry equivalent strength of each ice cube 
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26823238 - 07/14/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yo, dj do reduce your tea down to a single shot or do you drink a whole cup? I'm dunking 5g this weekend but if I can I will reduce the liquid down to a small glass.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26823444 - 07/14/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yo LTO,
It can be as thick or as thin as you want. The only mandatory requirement is not to let the pan boil dry!
But for example last weekend I had two of my fresh tea ice cubes. What volume are ice cubes? From memory, I used a large plstic syringe, each one is just under 20ml. So I had 2x ice cubes at 20ml each. Put them in a pan, poured over 100ml of boiling water, turned on heat stirring until they disssolved (I’ve learnt not to let them thaw out slowly!!!).
At that point, I turned up the heat and boiled off some liquid.
The citric acid in the tea made it taste more “lemony” then when I’ve used lemon juice, which I’ve used for years. It was pretty rank, but it was less than 100ml. Two gulps bro and all done.
Good luck Keep me posted  DJ Ed
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26823679 - 07/14/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh man the brain power I used to convert 100ml to something that I know was some stupid mental gymnastics.
I was going to add it to another brew of caapi.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26824210 - 07/15/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha no worries. Well a “cup” is approx 240ml. The great thing about metric is that the weight (mass) is the same as the volume: so 100ml water weighs 100g 
But don’t get me wrong, I am no scientist. I have a glass tumbler (whisky glass) which we use for breakfast orange juice. I think a full glass is just under 200ml. So my tea is generally a quarter to a half glass. I then rinse out with 2/3 glass of orange juice, which keeps my blood sugar up for the next 4 hours.
If you want some detailed easy instructions on weights and stuff, let me know; but got to get off to work in a mo......
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26824752 - 07/15/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: No probs, bro. I follow PrimaSoup’s method: here.
Only difference, I chuck whole mushrooms in the pan with 1:50 citric acid, and crush with a potato masher. I do this constantly while they are on rapid boil for the first minute. I only simmer for ten minutes. Then I freeze in ice cube trays, not a bottle (I don’t take as much as P.S., he experiments with daily doses, so gets up to 250g per day!!)
If you also dry 100g from the same flush and weigh once they are cracker dry, that is how you know the water cone tent of your mushrooms, and can then work out the dry equivalent strength of each ice cube 
Take care DJ Ed
Thanks! This looks very interesting. I don't have fresh as I'm fairly new to mycology but do have dried. Based on the post, looks like that should work fine as well.
I know a lot of people use teas to avoid the nausea. Should I bother with teas if nausea isn't that big of an issue for me? I rip the dried mushrooms apart with my hands and then use a mortar and pestle to reduce them down to as fine as I possibly can. Add lemon juice and let is sit for 20 mins, add some juice or soda and throw the whole thing back (including the solids) and I've never had an issue. Citric acid is thus present in both primal's tea and my current method. Would the tea extract more of the psilocin? or is it just more of a convenience thing with elimination of nausea and the ability to freeze the liquid thereafter?
Edited by reeelax (07/15/20 09:43 AM)
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26824777 - 07/15/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow hey now. I will not be CONVERTED. When I calculate my heroic doses of mushrooms I always weight out 0.011 lbs. I refuse to use a measurement system based around the concept of ten. That's crazy talk. I really like this system of radically different conversation rates.
Edit: the tea itself doesn't really have anything to with comfort but just another route of administration. You decide.
Edited by LosTresOjos (07/15/20 09:47 AM)
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26824855 - 07/15/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha,
To be fair, though, I used to work for,many years with (uk) imperial, and MUCH preferred it to metric! You know where you are with a thousandth of an inch, what the heck is 0.0254mm!!
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: reeelax]
#26824860 - 07/15/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Using tea from fresh or eating fresh mushrooms, will preserve most of the psilocin. When you dry mushrooms, you will lose approximately 50% of the psilocin.
That’s why fresh trips are much nicer than dry; something is always lacking with dry, slightly more sinister!
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: reeelax]
#26825051 - 07/15/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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reeelax said:
I know a lot of people use teas to avoid the nausea. Should I bother with teas if nausea isn't that big of an issue for me? I rip the dried mushrooms apart with my hands and then use a mortar and pestle to reduce them down to as fine as I possibly can. Add lemon juice and let is sit for 20 mins, add some juice or soda and throw the whole thing back (including the solids) and I've never had an issue. Citric acid is thus present in both primal's tea and my current method. Would the tea extract more of the psilocin? or is it just more of a convenience thing with elimination of nausea and the ability to freeze the liquid thereafter?
The methods are equivalent SFAIK. The acidic water is what matters. If the mushroom matter doesn't bother you then no problem.
I can get some from 15 g fresh if I eat them, and I don't want to know what consuming 250 g fresh would bring at max tolerance - so tea FTW.
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26825363 - 07/15/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: The methods are equivalent SFAIK. The acidic water is what matters. If the mushroom matter doesn't bother you then no problem.
I can get some from 15 g fresh if I eat them, and I don't want to know what consuming 250 g fresh would bring at max tolerance - so tea FTW. 
Nice, thanks for the confirmation!
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Re: Are there any mushroom trip guides here? I’m not getting the trip I want. [Re: reeelax]
#26831116 - 07/18/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're seeking a more intense experience there are three things I'd suggest trying:
1. Use the lemon-tek method 2. Smoke weed on the come-up (Be very careful doing this)
3. Take a higher dose
Personally I find it difficult to trip on mushrooms without weed, but it has the tendency to make some people paranoid and induce thought loops, so I'd urge you to be cautious if you decide to go this route.
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