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Anonymous #6

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26828867 - 07/17/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s looks like everyone has someone who hates them.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26828938 - 07/17/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #11 said:
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Anonymous #4 said:
A small number of Jews have caused a lot of problems, it's your job to call them out to protect the vast majority of decent Jewish people. Unfortunately, most Jews stay silent and act like they don't know what's happening.



I don't waste my time arguing with antisemitic people. Have a great day.




Wow, a little sensitive now aren't we here.  I tried to help you, but you want to remain scared and then use the antisemitic card because you can't face the truth.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26829050 - 07/17/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
Wow, a little sensitive now aren't we here.  I tried to help you, but you want to remain scared and then use the antisemitic card because you can't face the truth.



You're not trying to help me at all. You're basically telling me "Well, there's a good reason everyone hates Jews, and it's on you guys to fix society's perception of your own culture." That's fucked up.

Heaven forbid I suggest that it's the bigots responsibility to not commit a hate crime in the first place.

Have a nice day, man. I am not going to debate with you.


Edited by Anonymous (07/17/20 01:48 PM)


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Anonymous #3

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4] * 2
    #26829054 - 07/17/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Anti-semites have caused far more problems than anybody else in modern history. You shouldn't expect to be treated well when you hold the same views as the people who have invaded countries and killed millions based on prejudice.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26829132 - 07/17/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #11 said:
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Anonymous #4 said:
Wow, a little sensitive now aren't we here.  I tried to help you, but you want to remain scared and then use the antisemitic card because you can't face the truth.



You're not trying to help me at all. You're basically telling me "Well, there's a good reason everyone hates Jews, and it's on you guys to fix society's perception of your own culture." That's fucked up.

Heaven forbid I suggest that it's the bigots responsibility to not commit a hate crime in the first place.

Have a nice day, man. I am not going to debate with you.




I said nothing about hating Jews, so just chill out and actually listen. It's more than just perception that needs to change, it's actual behavior. But apparently, you don't want to acknowledge that reality and instead get very defensive and shut down the discussion. So again, stay scared and don't call out the bad actors for the sake of protecting your tribe in the short term.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26829137 - 07/17/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
Anti-semites have caused far more problems than anybody else in modern history. You shouldn't expect to be treated well when you hold the same views as the people who have invaded countries and killed millions based on prejudice.




How many countries have Jews invaded and caused incredible problems?  Yeah, don't want to talk about that historical issue.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4] * 2
    #26829215 - 07/17/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
I said nothing about hating Jews, so just chill out and actually listen. It's more than just perception that needs to change, it's actual behavior. But apparently, you don't want to acknowledge that reality and instead get very defensive and shut down the discussion. So again, stay scared and don't call out the bad actors for the sake of protecting your tribe in the short term.




There's no discussion to shut down. I don't waste my time debating with people like you because I know how it goes and it's not productive at all. I am not responsible for changing other people's perception of my culture, and I am not responsible for changing anyone else's behavior, period. Good day.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26829620 - 07/17/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously, you want to remain a scared victim while having no moments of self reflection. Your ego won't let you take any responsibility for your predicament.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26829636 - 07/17/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:I said nothing about hating Jews, so just chill out and actually listen. It's more than just perception that needs to change, it's actual behavior. But apparently, you don't want to acknowledge that reality and instead get very defensive and shut down the discussion. So again, stay scared and don't call out the bad actors for the sake of protecting your tribe in the short term.




Any group or category you could place humans in has at least some bad actors. Men, women, Christians, Muslims, young people, old people.

It's not each Jewish person's responsibility to make lists and publicly denounce any Jewish person who ever stepped wrong or else happily accept people hating them and treating them as a homogeneous group.

I bet you wouldn't expect any of the other groups of people I mentioned to do that.

And many of the groups I mentioned actually have done some heinous stuff, historically and sometimes still in the present, whereas I really don't know which Jewish "bad actors" you refer to who would justify the type of hate anti semites dish out.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #26829660 - 07/17/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
Obviously, you want to remain a scared victim while having no moments of self reflection. Your ego won't let you take any responsibility for your predicament.



You know if today were five years earlier, I'd say this was a nicely calculated troll campaign you have going on. But people are serious about this anti-semitism these days, so I fully believe that you're as shitty as you are. Maybe that's the troll though. People read old anti-Jewish propaganda as "history" and think they're educated or something. People are dupes these days.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #26829834 - 07/17/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #12 said:
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Anonymous #4 said:I said nothing about hating Jews, so just chill out and actually listen. It's more than just perception that needs to change, it's actual behavior. But apparently, you don't want to acknowledge that reality and instead get very defensive and shut down the discussion. So again, stay scared and don't call out the bad actors for the sake of protecting your tribe in the short term.




Any group or category you could place humans in has at least some bad actors. Men, women, Christians, Muslims, young people, old people.

It's not each Jewish person's responsibility to make lists and publicly denounce any Jewish person who ever stepped wrong or else happily accept people hating them and treating them as a homogeneous group.

I bet you wouldn't expect any of the other groups of people I mentioned to do that.

And many of the groups I mentioned actually have done some heinous stuff, historically and sometimes still in the present, whereas I really don't know which Jewish "bad actors" you refer to who would justify the type of hate anti semites dish out.




So members of a group have no responsbility to call out the bad behavior that takes place from the culture of that group?  Catholics shouldn't call out their own church leaders for covering up child sexual abuse?  Whites shouldn't call out other whites discriminating against blacks?  Men shouldn't call out other males that physically abuse women? Yes, bad actors need to be addressed if it's associated with the culture of that group.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26829839 - 07/17/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
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Anonymous #4 said:
Obviously, you want to remain a scared victim while having no moments of self reflection. Your ego won't let you take any responsibility for your predicament.



You know if today were five years earlier, I'd say this was a nicely calculated troll campaign you have going on. But people are serious about this anti-semitism these days, so I fully believe that you're as shitty as you are. Maybe that's the troll though. People read old anti-Jewish propaganda as "history" and think they're educated or something. People are dupes these days.




Just what I thought, zero substance and then name calling.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26829910 - 07/17/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Don't let it hurt your feelings :shrug:


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26829999 - 07/18/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
You know if today were five years earlier, I'd say this was a nicely calculated troll campaign you have going on. But people are serious about this anti-semitism these days, so I fully believe that you're as shitty as you are.



Oh, without a doubt people are serious about it. If anyone doesn't believe that antisemitism is just a thing of the past, I'd say they aren't looking deep enough. Antisemitism is alive and well, and there's no better place to find it than the internet. All you have to do is mention something about Judaism on literally any public platform (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, even here - especially platforms that allow anonymous posting), and it won't be long before the antisemitic remarks start rolling in.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #26830004 - 07/18/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #12 said:
It's not each Jewish person's responsibility to make lists and publicly denounce any Jewish person who ever stepped wrong or else happily accept people hating them and treating them as a homogeneous group.





:whathesaid:

Furthermore, I'll add that Jews making lists and publicly denouncing other Jews who did wrong is not an effective way of combating antisemitism. If anything, publicly denouncing people like that might just add fuel to the fire.

The best way to combat antisemitism is to publicly denounce antisemitism, and to educate people about the history of what bigotry leads to if left unchallenged.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26830018 - 07/18/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
Obviously, you want to remain a scared victim while having no moments of self reflection.




Telling me that I'm scared is not a criticism of me at all. I have a perfectly legitimate reason to be scared right now - it's not blind fear. There was a political rally in Charlottesville, Virginia just two years ago where people were holding torches and chanting "Gas the Jews" in unison (you can see video evidence of it if you research the event). And then you're telling me that this is my responsibility, that I'm the one who has to do something about it. It is 100% not my responsibility to make those disgusting bigots stop chanting or to change their minds. They are responsible for what they believe in. They are responsible for their actions. They are the ones who choose hatred over understanding and empathy. You make me feel sick, honestly.

People like you scare me even more than the people at that rally in Virginia, to be quite frank. At least the people at that rally were being open about their hatred, so it's easy to see and to criticize. You're more of a "closet bigot". You don't hate all Jews, but you think it's somehow partially my fault that there are a bunch of people who believe I should be gassed because I didn't make a public list of bad Jews and denounce them. If those Nazis at the Virginia rally decided they wanted to break down my door and lynch me or something, would you just shrug and say "I mean, he had it coming. After all, he didn't make any effort to denounce the bad ones..."?

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Anonymous #4 said:
Your ego won't let you take any responsibility for your predicament.



I am not responsible for bigotry, and the "predicament" of antisemitism is not my responsibility at all. It seriously makes me sick that you would believe that.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26830760 - 07/18/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Since we’re all calling out people who don’t like us, I’m quite frankly scared of all the anti-christian rhetoric I see being freely spouted across all of media and the public and I’m concerned the people who do it get a free pass.  I’m concerned that the cis white christian male is massively hated openly and it seems to be perfectly fine to spread that hate.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #26831311 - 07/18/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I kind of feel like Jews just like money. Does that make me anti Semitic? :shrug: I do not know much about their religion because I have never met one that was not trying to charge me a lot of money. :sad: I wish I was as accepting as other people but I feel more or less I could only accept the Jewish religion if I believed in charging people an extremely exaggerated amount of money for business interests I inherited and did not actually earn from family and that I was never happy and wanted to charge every consumer more money then anyone thought existed just because they exist and I believe they owe me.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #26831657 - 07/18/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Anonymous #10 said:
I kind of feel like Jews just like money. Does that make me anti Semitic? :shrug:




That's a stereotype. It's a prejudiced belief that you hold. So, yes. It is antisemitic to believe that Jews just like money. I'm kind of surprised that's even a question.

Also, it's a really fucking stupid stereotype. You're gonna try to convince me you don't like having money as well?

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Anonymous #10 said:
I do not know much about their religion because I have never met one that was not trying to charge me a lot of money. :sad:




You're ignorant, then. It's simple. You haven't met many Jews in your life, and you've had negative experiences with a few of them. Your brain is automatically filling in the gaps in your understanding with stereotypes and prejudice. Ignorance isn't a bad thing, so long as you're willing to change your mind and educate yourself. If you want to learn more about the Jewish religion (or even just Jewish culture - Judaism is more than just a religion at this point. I'm an atheist and I still consider myself a Jew), all you have to do is ask. If you don't have any Jewish friends to ask, you can use the wonderful power of the internet to educate yourself. If you "don't know much" about Judaism, then that's perfectly fine. You have three options:
1. You can educate yourself and learn more about Jews (and if you do, I guarantee you will find that your assumption that Jews 'just like money' is false)
2. You can remain uneducated about Judaism. There's nothing wrong with this option - if you're not interested in Judaism at all, you're definitely not obligated to research it. However, if you're going to remain uneducated about it, you have to recognize that anything you might believe about Jews might be false (like your belief that Jews "just like money").
3. You can continue relying on antisemitic stereotypes to compensate for your own lack of understanding of Jews, leading to further alienation and marginalization of my people.

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Anonymous #10 said:
I wish I was as accepting as other people




You have the power to change your mind. It's not like the beliefs you hold are set in stone. If you really wish you were more accepting of other people, you would stop relying on stereotypes and educate yourself about cultures you don't understand.

For the record, there is nothing in Jewish scripture or tradition that has anything to do with hoarding money. It's a stereotype. I'm Jewish and I don't worship money at all. When it comes to money, I just care about having enough that I don't have to think about it: I like to have enough to keep a roof over my head and food in the fridge. I don't need much more to live my life.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Anyone else have Trump fatigue syndrome? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26832114 - 07/19/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

People need to stop being so fucking addicted to politics and this idea that countries need bosses.
The president is a joke. The government still governments.

If none of you watched tv or saw any news you would have noticed exactly 0% change in your life since the transition from Obama to Trump. Oh but tax code changed. It always fucking does.

Being addicted to politics is just as bad as an opiate addiction


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