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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26829235 - 07/17/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?



 
  We’ve had a war on poverty going forever .

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Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control.




    Different how ? They were machine gunning people in the streets regularly back then .  That’s how gun control started . No control led to massive problems .


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: nooneman]
    #26829239 - 07/17/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't be a dick. The moderate left has always supported guns,




Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack] * 1
    #26829283 - 07/17/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead? Ultimately gun control for a safer society is moot if the causes of why that society are unsafe aren't addressed.

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control. I don't think completely unlicensed sales of automatics would be good for the health of 2020 Americans, partly due to both of the formerly mentioned issues.




What is amazing is how the NRA has brainwashed so many people into believing something so fucking stupid


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829293 - 07/17/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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guns,



Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


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How do you square your enthusiastic support for our military with your need to own guns to shoot at them someday ?


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26829299 - 07/17/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is the same guy who thinks talking about Ordering pizza for dinner means you’re a pedophile. Don’t expect a rational answer.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26829302 - 07/17/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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guns,



Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


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How do you square your enthusiastic support for our military with your need to own guns to shoot at them someday ?




Can ask this question better? I'm not sure we understand one another. I support both the military and personal gun ownership.

Also, is there a fly in this room?


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829318 - 07/17/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I support personal gun ownership  too .
  Does it bother you that I don’t care for the military you guys are always telling me I need guns to protect myself from ?


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26829332 - 07/17/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, it doesn't bother me.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829577 - 07/17/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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[quote undiagnosed mental disorders




1,000% agree.




We aren't supposed to make direct personal attacks on the OP.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26830703 - 07/18/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilynut2 said:
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How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?



 
  We’ve had a war on poverty going forever .

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Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control.




    Different how ? They were machine gunning people in the streets regularly back then .  That’s how gun control started . No control led to massive problems .




A war on poverty? Was this before or after Reagonomics? I see we're engaged in a war on terror and a war on drugs, did I miss the announcement that the war on poverty has started?
Can you go to a Native Reservation and tell them that to their face? How about inner city America, or rural Appalachia? I'm sorry man, I have too many friends of all colors that grew up on "bread sandwiches" for lunch to believe that the US Gov't is making a systemic, widespread effort on the issue.

About  the 1930's, can you cite historical data showing that people were regularly getting shot and killed in public? I'm curious, from what little history I've studied the major gun killings of the 30's were related to either the Mafia or Unionists / labor activists fighting Pinkerton or the National Gaurd.

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Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead? Ultimately gun control for a safer society is moot if the causes of why that society are unsafe aren't addressed.

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control. I don't think completely unlicensed sales of automatics would be good for the health of 2020 Americans, partly due to both of the formerly mentioned issues.




What is amazing is how the NRA has brainwashed so many people into believing something so fucking stupid




Ew, NRA. I don't like their political agenda. I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty. All I know is that gun control is stricter than it was in the past and yet mass shootings happened more often in the 2010's than they did in the 1980's, when automatics were still available. So it seems to me that gun control isn't affecting that particular issue.
Suicides via gun have also risen significantly in the past years as well (41% between 2014-17 for example), imo there's an unspoken mental health crisis in the US.

And tbh, I don't even care about automatics specifically. Even in a combat setting there's very specific and limited situations where you'd use it, not to mention all semi's are already a full with addition of a rubber band anyway. As someone on the outside Left I'm using dramatic examples to highlight what I believe is the mainstream left (and right) pushing hot button issues such as gun control or abortion so we as a populace stop responding to politics logically and instead react emotionally. Divide and conquer, y'all.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26830726 - 07/18/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty.




Funny. Most young republicans share this stance.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26830730 - 07/18/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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mass shootings happened more often in the 2010's than they did in the 1980's, when automatics were still available. So it seems to me that gun control isn't affecting that particular issue.
Suicides via gun have also risen significantly in the past years as well (41% between 2014-17 for example), imo there's an unspoken mental health crisis in the US.




I watched a few documentaries about how so many of the school shooters were on the same types of prescription drugs. There were some other interesting patterns as well... that causes me to believe some school shooters were being conditioned to become so.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26830733 - 07/18/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes prescription drugs cause school shootings 🤦‍♂️


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26830743 - 07/18/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty.




Funny. Most young republicans share this stance.




All young people should... America is built on the values of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness and it seems we as a nation have forgotten that. There's a lot of change going on right now, a lot of it is dismantling old forms of bullshit but parts of it present opportunities for right or left wing authoritarians to consolidate power. We as a people need to use logic right now if we want the concept of American freedom to survive and continue improving.

IMO, if someone is interested in politics they should be studying history instead of the opinions of pundits or message boards. Then they can see what's been tried and worked or failed and form their own solid conclusions.

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School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26830914 - 07/18/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes prescription drugs cause school shootings 🤦‍♂️




One of these days I hope you can learn to win an argument without twisting, exaggerating or embellishing your opponents position. I pity your approach because it leaves so little room for intellectual growth.

I said actual documentaries have proven that most of these kids are on similar chemical compounds. If this doesn't raise an eyebrow, one isn't intellectually honest. There's obviously more to the story. An honest man would investigate further.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26830918 - 07/18/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?


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    #26830939 - 07/18/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?




Sure, if they were on similar kinds of medications it implies that they had similar issues. Maybe that grouping of issues lends to someone doing violent acts against others, generally the people they perceive as having done them wrong. But, I've also been on prescription meds that've made me act or think more violently. What I'm saying is that the correlation could plausibly go in either direction.


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26830988 - 07/18/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

England’s most popular antidepressants have been linked to at least 28 murders, an investigation reveals.

It also uncovered a further 32 reports of users suffering from murderous thoughts since the 1980s.

National Health Service medics dole out more than 40 million prescriptions for SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors) annually. Prozac and Paxil are two of the most popular brand-name SSRIs.

The common antidepressants are considered safe for the vast majority of patients.

But there have been reports linking them to psychosis, violence and in extreme cases, murder.

Experts warn that in rare circumstances the pills can trigger dangerous mood swings.


https://nypost.com/2017/07/26/common-antidepressants-linked-to-at-least-28-murders/


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26831122 - 07/18/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Rapjack said:
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Vahn421 said:
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School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?




Sure, if they were on similar kinds of medications it implies that they had similar issues. Maybe that grouping of issues lends to someone doing violent acts against others, generally the people they perceive as having done them wrong. But, I've also been on prescription meds that've made me act or think more violently. What I'm saying is that the correlation could plausibly go in either direction.




I completely agree with this and we need to do more investigating.

I actually have more thoughts in the matter, but I'd have to post them over in the conspiracy thread. Heh...


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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: budmanman]
    #26831129 - 07/18/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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England’s most popular antidepressants have been linked to at least 28 murders, an investigation reveals.

It also uncovered a further 32 reports of users suffering from murderous thoughts since the 1980s.

National Health Service medics dole out more than 40 million prescriptions for SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors) annually. Prozac and Paxil are two of the most popular brand-name SSRIs.

The common antidepressants are considered safe for the vast majority of patients.

But there have been reports linking them to psychosis, violence and in extreme cases, murder.

Experts warn that in rare circumstances the pills can trigger dangerous mood swings.


https://nypost.com/2017/07/26/common-antidepressants-linked-to-at-least-28-murders/




I had to talk somebody down a few years ago that was having both suicidal and murderous thoughts. I could feel the energy in the room it was so intense, like he was about to snap. I had to ground my self in my heart center and tether him for hours, because I was one of the people he was thinking about killing and I knew if I reacted negatively it was gonna go bad. I was never able to ground him fully but I was able to dispel his negative thoughts at least against me. I left the area the next day and he lost his mind only hours after I was gone, pretty much after I couldn't tether him any longer. (He wound up breaking into cars thinking he was an alien and got arrested.)

I found out he was combining zoloft with a LOT of alcohol. Then I read up on what that does. Sheesh.

It's the only time I've ever been around someone who was that far ripped apart mentally.


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