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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834042 - 07/20/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yep. How and what its used for is the patent more than the drug in that case.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26834095 - 07/20/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So if I find a new use for something that's already in the public domain, I can repatent it?  I'm gonna need a source for that.  :shrug:


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834143 - 07/20/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Use for something?  Or a drug treatment?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
    #26834145 - 07/20/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure about this either. Although, I think the strategy is to say that the lying is to cover up Trump's response and possibly influence the general election.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
    #26834150 - 07/20/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Use for something?  Or a drug treatment?



You tell me, you're the lawyer.  My question is can someone re-patent HCQ if they find another use (treatment) for it?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834153 - 07/20/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

They don't patent the drug.  They patent the treatment protocol with the drug.  If someone discovered that pine cone tea cured cancer today, they could patent that treatment.  They could sell cancer-fighting pine cone tea under that patent. 


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
    #26834166 - 07/20/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Could people still sell pine cone tea?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834196 - 07/20/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely.  They just can't market it for use as a cure for cancer.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
    #26834257 - 07/20/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Could doctors recommend patients buy pine cone tea if they knew it cured cancer?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834261 - 07/20/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If they wanted their licence on the line sure. But pinecones would start getting absurdly expensive anyway


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26834264 - 07/20/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you saying if HCQ is proven effective for treating covid, the entity finding it effective gets to repatent it even though it's been on the market for over 50 years?




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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26834271 - 07/20/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Could doctors recommend patients buy pine cone tea if they knew it cured cancer?



If they wanted their licence on the line sure. But pinecones would start getting absurdly expensive anyway



Seriously?  If a doctor recommended a known cure for cancer to their patients, they could lose their license?

Source?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834281 - 07/20/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Could doctors recommend patients buy pine cone tea if they knew it cured cancer?



Pine cone tea is not an FDA approved drug


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834284 - 07/20/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Could doctors recommend patients buy pine cone tea if they knew it cured cancer?



If they wanted their licence on the line sure. But pinecones would start getting absurdly expensive anyway



Seriously?  If a doctor recommended a known cure for cancer to their patients, they could lose their license?

Source?




I can kind of attest to this kind of thing, having been in amateur herbology most of my life.

There are a lot of natural cures that there's just no money in and some wonderful plants, like comfrey, have been falsely reported by health officials to be toxic from one or two biased studies. Despite comfrey growing out of the ground ALL OVER, most people don't realize it's better than almost anything else I know of for cuts, scrapes, bruises, pretty much anything that involves flesh, tissue or bone.

I've seen healings that have taken place exponentially fast due to the use of comfrey and often with no scar tissue, or very minimal. But due to its status with the FDA, no one can sell it or recommend it for oral use, only externally. (which loses half its healing benefits.)

So the technically answer would be yes, a doctor could lose their license for recommending some things that actually work.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834337 - 07/20/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Could doctors recommend patients buy pine cone tea if they knew it cured cancer?



If they wanted their licence on the line sure. But pinecones would start getting absurdly expensive anyway



Seriously?  If a doctor recommended a known cure for cancer to their patients, they could lose their license?

Source?



Google it. You don't need sources for everything that's literally common knowledge. These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA would be on all the pinecones for sale that were not made or sourced and then purity tested for the parented use of them.
So a doctor would be in hot water telling people to go eat who knows where from bootleg grey market pinecones.

You think a doctor can tell you to whip up some saline solution and inject it if you're dehydrated? Nope. They can't even tell you to go buy Walgreen's brand saline and inject it.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26834343 - 07/20/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pinecones need to be sterile, tested, pure, and dose accurate. The only pinecones a doctor can give are the ones that are part of the correct supply chain. The patented pharmaceutical pinecone.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26834365 - 07/20/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA would be on all the pinecones for sale that were not made or sourced and then purity tested for the parented use of them.
So a doctor would be in hot water telling people to go eat who knows where from bootleg grey market pinecones.

You think a doctor can tell you to whip up some saline solution and inject it if you're dehydrated? Nope. They can't even tell you to go buy Walgreen's brand saline and inject it.

Pinecones need to be sterile, tested, pure, and dose accurate. The only pinecones a doctor can give are the ones that are part of the correct supply chain. The patented pharmaceutical pinecone.



That example isn't relevant to the current discussion.  HCQ has LONG been FDA approved.

The question is if someone discovers a new use for HCQ, can they patent it, and would other doctors be allowed to tell their patients the new patented drug is the same as the old FDA approved HCQ?


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26834388 - 07/20/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It isn't about whether a doctor could tell them.  It's whether a doctor could prescribe it.  You can't get it over the counter.


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    #26834410 - 07/20/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA would be on all the pinecones for sale that were not made or sourced and then purity tested for the parented use of them.
So a doctor would be in hot water telling people to go eat who knows where from bootleg grey market pinecones.

You think a doctor can tell you to whip up some saline solution and inject it if you're dehydrated? Nope. They can't even tell you to go buy Walgreen's brand saline and inject it.

Pinecones need to be sterile, tested, pure, and dose accurate. The only pinecones a doctor can give are the ones that are part of the correct supply chain. The patented pharmaceutical pinecone.



That example isn't relevant to the current discussion.  HCQ has LONG been FDA approved.

The question is if someone discovers a new use for HCQ, can they patent it, and would other doctors be allowed to tell their patients the new patented drug is the same as the old FDA approved HCQ?




It’s already FDA approved. Someone would just need to apply for a new use patent. (Drugs are approved for treating conditions and that drug can only be marketed as a treatment for those conditions.  But a doctor can prescribe a drug for any reason he wishes.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
    #26834418 - 07/20/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly, that was the question.  Could a doctor prescribe the original HCQ for cancer knowing it's the same as the new more expensive patented version?  It sounds like the answer is no.


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