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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods] * 1
    #26831063 - 07/18/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How do we know Covid didn’t cause the crash ? I’ve seen allot of news stories about people having sudden hallucinations  and weird shit going on with their brains when the disease hits them  . It could have been a Covid death .


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods] * 1
    #26831091 - 07/18/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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For reporting? No. For treating, yes.




How are they going to treat a case of "covid" if it isn't reported as such?

I think separating these two concepts isn't very pragmatic.




What treatment did the guy who spattered his brains on the highway get?



This speaks to the real bullshit in this thread.  "Reporting" is not the same as "Diagnosing."  IF that dude was reported as a covid death, which is a big if, his treatment would still not have qualified for a 20% bump.

To get that 20%, the treatment has to be a proper covid treatment for a covid-diagnosed patient.  It's not like they just add covid, and any treatment gets bumped 20%.  That's not how medical billing has ever worked.  Medicare works just like any insurance....Diagnosis code = a range of approved treatments.  I guarantee that a leg cast isn't one of the approved covid treatments.  Of course, the 20% is only for medicare patients, too...not people using private insurance.

Of course, "reporting" is completely different and unrelated.  Covid cases are currently being reported to the white house.  Used to be the CDC until trump felt they were ill-equipped to do the very job they're chartered to do.  (Who's in charge of the executive branch, anyway?  Shouldn't that person be responsible for making sure the CDC does their job?)  Reporting occurs as soon as a positive test is confirmed.  There's no 20% bonus for that at all.

That's why I pointed out the difference...not because it's semantical....because it goes to the core of this entire discussion.  The covid numbers being published come from test results being reported.  The 20% comes from a diagnostic code on a bill that isn't generated until after treatment.  Two completely different things, and conflating them for purposes of pretending there's some conspiracy to treat non-covid patients as covid patients for money is simply misleading. 

The reality on the ground is that if a hospital wants that 20%, they're going to have to give covid treatment to a patient.  If that patient doesn't need covid treatment, that's going to mean committing malpractice.  Similarly, if a patient is denied non-covid treatment that he/she needs, that's malpractice.  The very notion that doctors are out there risking everything they have for a 20% bump is ridiculous.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26831150 - 07/18/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How do we know Covid didn’t cause the crash ? I’ve seen allot of news stories about people having sudden hallucinations  and weird shit going on with their brains when the disease hits them  . It could have been a Covid death .



Maybe the guy was rushing to the hospital and driving fast to push air into his lungs and get there before he passed out - which he didn’t. Dude passed out and crashed. Another tragic covid victim. RIP motorcycle man.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26833259 - 07/19/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Plus, I've heard treatment is getting better as well.



Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows
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In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.

The study was published today in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the peer-reviewed, open-access online publication of the International Society of Infectious Diseases (ISID.org).

“We attribute our findings that differ from other studies to early treatment, and part of a combination of interventions that were done in supportive care of patients, including careful cardiac monitoring. Our dosing also differed from other studies not showing a benefit of the drug. And other studies are either not peer reviewed, have limited numbers of patients, different patient populations or other differences from our patients.”




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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26833332 - 07/19/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We’ve moved on from that stuff. Doesn’t work. It would be medical malpractice for it to be used to try to save someone’s life.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833351 - 07/19/20 10:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, YOU'VE moved on, doctors have not.  They're still studying it.

I even quoted the reason why it was previously deemed dangerous ("a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.")


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26833366 - 07/19/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes amazing how you don’t have as many deaths when you exclude people with heart problems from  your trials.

There are still studies ongoing, but the drug is no longer being used to treat patients in a clinical setting. It really is a tragedy so much time and life was wasted on HQC. It never worked. Despite that something like 75% of patients received it. Now that it’s not being used anymore, mortality is lower.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833385 - 07/19/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Are people with heart problems the only ones who catch Covid-19?  Those without the heart condition die at only half the rate when they take HCQ.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26833393 - 07/19/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The study has been widely discredited. Turns out the HCQ group was receiving steroids at a higher rate and we now know that some steroids can significantly improve outcomes.

What is this obsession with a drug that has not shown any kind of consistent results. We actually have a couple drugs that seem to be fairly effective, but I haven’t seen you posting those studies 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421]
    #26833411 - 07/19/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

we shouldnt.  This entire covid debacle is about getting trump out of office.  Imagine that china is the source of the virus, who has the most to gain from trump leaving office.  Literally hundreds of billions dollars at stake.  China owna much of the US media.

The covid flu will be forgotten in 2021 like the russian hoax has already been forgotten.  Enjoy the last 5 months of working from home and say thanka to china for it.

Trump will win in 2020.  China is in big trouble in little chyna!


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26833422 - 07/19/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump is the one doing everything possible to get Trump out of office.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833427 - 07/19/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833439 - 07/19/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The study has been widely discredited. Turns out the HCQ group was receiving steroids at a higher rate and we now know that some steroids can significantly improve outcomes.



No, it hasn't been "widely discredited".  Many have argued that more studies still need to be done, which I agree with.

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What is this obsession with a drug that has not shown any kind of consistent results.



The obsession comes from people who want to find the best possible treatment, without discounting anything just because Trump mentioned it.

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We actually have a couple drugs that seem to be fairly effective, but I haven’t seen you posting those studies 🤷‍♂️



I haven't seen you posting those studies either.  Post 'em dude!

ALL drugs should be studied, not just the ones Trump doesn't mention.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26833440 - 07/19/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve been saying HCQ was a dead end long before trump ever heard of it.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833443 - 07/19/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's still to be determined.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26833451 - 07/19/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In your mind, yes.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26833471 - 07/19/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A Scottish Doctor had this to say:
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The financial muscle of Big Pharma has been busy distorting science during the pandemic

Evidence that a cheap, over-the-counter anti-malarial drug costing £7 combats COVID-19 gets trashed. Why? Because the pharmaceutical giants want to sell you a treatment costing nearly £2,000.

A secretly recorded meeting between the editors-in-chief of The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine reveal both men bemoaning the ‘criminal’ influence big pharma has on scientific research:

"Now we are not going to be able to, basically, if this continues, publish any more clinical research data because the pharmaceutical companies are so financially powerful today, and are able to use such methodologies, as to have us accept papers which are apparently methodologically perfect, but which, in reality, manage to conclude what they want them to conclude,” said Lancet [editor-in-chief] Richard Horton.

One issue that has played out over the last few months, has stripped away any remaining vestiges of my trust in medical research. It concerns the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine. You may well be aware that Donald Trump endorsed it – which presents a whole series of problems for many people.

In this world, cheap drugs e.g., hydroxychloroquine, don’t stand much chance.




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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26833476 - 07/20/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What Falcon said.

Given the fact that this is the SHROOMERY, I'm actually busting my gut thinking about anyone here trying to defend the idea that big pharma ISN'T corrupt as fuck.


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421]
    #26833521 - 07/20/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If someone proves its effective for covid, they can patent the drug to treat covid. Don’t be naive. There was a lot of money to be made if it worked out


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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
    #26834034 - 07/20/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying if HCQ is proven effective for treating covid, the entity finding it effective gets to repatent it even though it's been on the market for over 50 years?


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