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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: qman]
#26829705 - 07/17/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: What is very likely underestimated/under-reported is the permanent organ damage that's done by this virus. We are just getting the studies that indicate the organ damage from people that had even minor symptoms from this virus.
So maybe stop fixating on just the deaths and give a little more attention to the long term ramifications from contracting the virus.
My theory is that the US media is purposely ignoring this horrible aspect of the virus to not create panic in the general population. That's why so many people just focus on the death rates and think not dying is some sort of free pass, when in fact it's not.
I've met a lot of people that have recovered from Covid, and even know a few that knew a few who have died from it... but do we know anyone that is alive and has organ damage? How common IS that end result for cases?
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421]
#26829725 - 07/17/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Deaths lag behind cases by a month or so.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26829804 - 07/17/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Do I need a source to say Florida is fucking stupid and we should just saw that bullshit off and sell it to Russia ? That’s common sense right ?

This is the best post you've made here since you got woke.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830082 - 07/18/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: So Florida is right around double the number of deaths per day we were 90 days ago.
However, they're having more than ten times the number of cases as they were 90 days ago.
I smell a rat!
Deaths lag behind cases by a month or so.
Exactly. And there's more testing now. Plus, I've heard treatment is getting better as well.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: qman]
#26830118 - 07/18/20 03:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, a recent study showed that an alarmingly high proportion of people who recovered suffered heart damage, and there are also reports of brain damage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OP started this post to assert that the fatality numbers are grossly overstated, and provided evidence consisting of one anecdote on FOX news about a guy who died on his motorcycle and the doctor in the interview wasn't sure if this was counted in the statistics.
WTF
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26830326 - 07/18/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Nobody makes more money for reporting a covid death.
The POINT is that they're making a lot more money than the would be otherwise by inflating the numbers of covid cases/deaths.
Source or make believe?
I found this on factcheck.org:
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It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).
Both of those provisions stem from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, or CARES Act.
So koods was wrong about them not making more..
Source or make believe? Where does it say they make more money for reporting a covid death?
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
#26830412 - 07/18/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Only an Illinois thing? Probably not
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Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.
"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: koods]
#26830814 - 07/18/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: The POINT is that they're making a lot more money than the would be otherwise by inflating the numbers of covid cases/deaths.
Source or make believe?
I found this on factcheck.org:
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the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases... by paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency
So koods was wrong about them not making more..
Source or make believe? Where does it say they make more money for reporting a covid death?
Vahn said they make more for reporting "covid cases/deaths". And you just quoted that they'll make an extra 20%.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26830822 - 07/18/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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For reporting? No. For treating, yes.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830899 - 07/18/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How would anyone know about the treatment of Covid if it's not reported?
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26830902 - 07/18/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Billing. It's a common thing for hospitals to bill for services, and when they do, they use diagnosis codes.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830907 - 07/18/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: For reporting? No. For treating, yes.
How are they going to treat a case of "covid" if it isn't reported as such?
I think separating these two concepts isn't very pragmatic.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421]
#26830910 - 07/18/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're saying they can't treat an illness without reporting it to someone?
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830921 - 07/18/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course they can, but if they report it as a covid treatment they get paid an extra 20%.
This is just another bullshit semantics debate.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830925 - 07/18/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're saying they can't treat an illness without reporting it to someone?
LMAO. Yes, of course. First to their hospital databank, then up the chain of command. If someone dies, usually it gets reported even further down a network.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26830937 - 07/18/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, you're saying that hospitals are intentionally misdiagnosing people for 20%? That seems incredibly risky since malpractice cases can easily eclipse the extra money made.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26830949 - 07/18/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, you're saying that hospitals are intentionally misdiagnosing people for 20%? That seems incredibly risky since malpractice cases can easily eclipse the extra money made.
Am I saying that? No, I said just the opposite: "factcheck.org also feels the frequency of misreporting covid-19 is very low"
My point is that you DO get paid 20% more for Covid cases.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26830994 - 07/18/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, I don't get paid shit for covid cases.
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Enlil]
#26831028 - 07/18/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bam, another semantics victory!
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Re: Motorcycle Crash Victim Included in FL Covid-19 Fatality Numbers [Re: Vahn421]
#26831045 - 07/18/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: For reporting? No. For treating, yes.
How are they going to treat a case of "covid" if it isn't reported as such?
I think separating these two concepts isn't very pragmatic.
What treatment did the guy who spattered his brains on the highway get?
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