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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829020 - 07/17/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Show me one poll where Trump only gets 20% approval. 
Many nonvoters are nonvoters because they are apathetic. Apathy is not support.
I will actually concede to this point and suggest the number of trump supporters needs to go down another 5% or so. So it's likely somewhere between 35-55% of all eligible voters, likely instead of 40-60%.
This is still all a red herring, though. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass due to some premeditated attempt to deceive. Of course, I now know some people here like to judge Trump supporters in advance.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
#26829021 - 07/17/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: All of that is ducking your responsibility here. You made the claim that half of the nation are trump supporters. That's your claim...not mine. If you think newborns can't be trump supporters, then you need to get your half from other people. I'm not the one making stupid claims that I can't support.
So, are you going to support your claim that half of the nation are trump supporters? Or are you going to admit you were wrong and revise your claim?
Did you even READ my last reply before typing all that? 
Yup...that's why I wrote that.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
#26829023 - 07/17/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Show me one poll where Trump only gets 20% approval. 
Many nonvoters are nonvoters because they are apathetic. Apathy is not support.
I will actually concede to this point and suggest the number needs to go down another 5% or so.
So your claim is now what? What percentage of the population of America are the "trump supporters" that I am judging?
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829027 - 07/17/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited the above post for more clarity.
This is all still a red herring.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829031 - 07/17/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: All of that is ducking your responsibility here. You made the claim that half of the nation are trump supporters. That's your claim...not mine. If you think newborns can't be trump supporters, then you need to get your half from other people. I'm not the one making stupid claims that I can't support.
So, are you going to support your claim that half of the nation are trump supporters? Or are you going to admit you were wrong and revise your claim?
That's some serious intellectually dishonesty. I'll make a signature bet that Trump's approval rating is closer to 50% than to the 20% number you're trying to throw around.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
#26829032 - 07/17/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay, so you can't support your original claim, and you can't amend your claim to be something supportable.
Got it.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829033 - 07/17/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Okay, so you can't support your original claim, and you can't amend your claim to be something supportable.
Got it.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26829034 - 07/17/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's some serious intellectually dishonesty. I'll make a signature bet that Trump's approval rating is closer to 50% than to the 20% number you're trying to throw around.
That's a strawman. Nowhere have I ever said his approval rating was 20%. I said that less than 20% of the population voted for him. I did this to invite Vahn to prove that another 30% of the population supports trump. He hasn't done that.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829038 - 07/17/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The latest polls show Trump's approval at around 45%, not 20%.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil] 1
#26829039 - 07/17/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's some serious intellectually dishonesty. I'll make a signature bet that Trump's approval rating is closer to 50% than to the 20% number you're trying to throw around.
That's a strawman. Nowhere have I ever said his approval rating was 20%. I said that less than 20% of the population voted for him. I did this to invite Vahn to prove that another 30% of the population supports trump. He hasn't done that.
Yeah, you're being incredibly intellectually dishonest. I broke everything down for you in more than one way and I'm not interested in discussing this further. You're trying to paint me out to be something I'm not and it's rather pissing me off. I've been CRYSTAL clear in what I think and how I think it. If you missed it, go back and read it all again.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26829043 - 07/17/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The latest polls show Trump's approval at around 45%, not 20%.
Again...irrelevant to this discussion.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
#26829047 - 07/17/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, you're being incredibly intellectually dishonest. I broke everything down for you in more than one way and I'm not interested in discussing this further. You're trying to paint me out to be something I'm not and it's rather pissing me off. I've been CRYSTAL clear in what I think and how I think it. If you missed it, go back and read it all again.
I accept your surrender.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829049 - 07/17/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You really ought to change the color of your fish from purple to red. It would suit you much better.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26829053 - 07/17/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah....there's another trait of the trump supporter. I don't judge a fish by the color of his scales, however.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829056 - 07/17/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually let me guess. That fish isn't purple, it's indigo, maybe violet. And now we're going to have a debate all about it and my intellectual dishonesty, right?
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829059 - 07/17/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The latest polls show Trump's approval at around 45%, not 20%.
Again...irrelevant to this discussion.
You said approval and support are two different things. What's the difference?
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Vahn421]
#26829062 - 07/17/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That fish is whatever color he/she is. He/she is perfect. I don't judge creatures based on immutable traits. That wouldn't be rational.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Enlil]
#26829067 - 07/17/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah, so the red herring argument is now racist. 
The PC movement has gone too far.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26829068 - 07/17/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You said approval and support are two different things. What's the difference?
One is active and one is passive. I can passively approve of something without actively supporting it. My comment was about trump supporters. People who actively support him. I said nothing about people who approve of things he's done or not done.
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Re: The hypocrisy on the part of the political left and Covid-19 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26829071 - 07/17/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ah, so the red herring argument is now racist. 
It wasn't a red herring argument. He was literally speaking of my literal fish and the literal color of said fish. Are you unable to follow this conversation?
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