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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26786082 - 06/27/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh..then I retract my previous statement .  Thank you detective  :hatsoff:

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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26828075 - 07/17/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just finished the game , what a ride, im sad its over.  Such a good game, as good as the first one hands down , and such a bitter sweet way to end it.:mindexpanding:
I wonder if theyll do a third one day although i dont know were theyd go with it.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
    #26828325 - 07/17/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty obvious where it would go based on their writing style. Something happens, they're forced to work together, one of them dies. It's all sad and shit because they ended the cycle of revenge and learned to like, possibly love eachother. :rolleyes: :puke:


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26828461 - 07/17/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Spoilers below (hidden)

Played it.

It was sad to see Joel die but, unlike the masses that went ape shit over it, I thought it made sense. The decisions he made in the first game, in many instances, were pretty vile. The whole thing is very complicated morally. And I loved Joel, don't get me wrong. But the fact is, people were just angry because he didn't die in a way they wanted. He could've died by simply getting bit by some clicker. Or by falling down a cliff. Or a heart attack. People wanted him to never die, or if he had to, to die in some sort of spectacular fashion. Doesn't work that way. I did, however, understand the anger that it was implied we'd play as Joel for much longer than the one instance/flashbacks.

Didn't like when we switched to Abby for half the game.

Still enjoyed most of it. Wasn't looking for any "SJW" messages as I played so I didn't notice any as many people state they were there.

Got a little tired by the end with Ellie's choices, especially when she leaves Dina to pursue Abby. I understand it, to some degree, but it was frustrating. Also, Tommy got shot in the head. How did he survive. Actually how did any of them survive most of the shit they endured?

Last of Us 1 was better. If there is a Last of Us 3, and it centers around Abby, I won't play, solely on the fact that I didn't like her character.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26828508 - 07/17/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What a great game it should be game of the year i think. It was super dark and violent as hell but also very fun. I didnt even think about how peiple will hate the lesbian and trans stuff untill i went online i didnt see it at all as pushing a trans point or anything people just be stupid. The story was great and had alot of crazy violent scenes wich was creepy cool shit to the point the characters even freak out and get major ptsd from what they do.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: lighthouse09]
    #26828705 - 07/17/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I beat it 3 days ago. The ending gave me ptsd lol. Ellie risked everything and got nothing, and lost more. I hated Abby at first but ended up loving her. Seeing her at the end messed me up. Dam what a world to live in. So fucked up, yet so good.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Cosmic Eye]
    #26828709 - 07/17/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Replaying for the platinum trophy. Missed only a few coins and trading cards..


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26828757 - 07/17/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people expected it to happen, the controversy comes from how it happens. It's out of character. It feels unnatural. There was a clear mistreatment of the expectations we had in the characters based on the quality of the previous game's character development. People love Joel and Ellie. Changing that just to make a point doesn't make the game better it just makes it preachy by saying the things we like aren't good enough. They didn't kill off Nathan Drake at the start of the second game to make the series better. No they knew people liked the chemistry between him and Elena then made one of the best action game series of all time. That's just storytelling. People like continuity. The SJW stuff comes from the lead designer working with and gushing on twitter over Anita Sarkeesian. Consequently it garnered more scrutiny in such circumstances. But come on.. bigot sandwich?


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26828846 - 07/17/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree because it was told well. Good people can still die in these stories. There were flashbacks but they also introduced new characters and personalities. By the end of the story your opinion changes about everyone. Its a harder route to take but it was nailed.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Cosmic Eye]
    #26828971 - 07/17/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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larry.fisherman said:
I think most people expected it to happen, the controversy comes from how it happens. It's out of character. It feels unnatural. There was a clear mistreatment of the expectations we had in the characters based on the quality of the previous game's character development. People love Joel and Ellie. Changing that just to make a point doesn't make the game better it just makes it preachy by saying the things we like aren't good enough. They didn't kill off Nathan Drake at the start of the second game to make the series better. No they knew people liked the chemistry between him and Elena then made one of the best action game series of all time. That's just storytelling. People like continuity. The SJW stuff comes from the lead designer working with and gushing on twitter over Anita Sarkeesian. Consequently it garnered more scrutiny in such circumstances. But come on.. bigot sandwich?




Obviously, keeping Joel around would have made the game better received. I agree he and Ellie ARE TLOU and without one or the other, something feels empty. Playing Abby just made everything empty as we, in a sense, had a character that was, in a sense, outside of the Ellie and Joel universe.

But I also agree with Cosmic Eye

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I disagree because it was told well. Good people can still die in these stories.


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I definitely don't think it's game of the year material. And I had to power through playing Abby because I just wanted to be Ellie again.

At the same time, the game did have me on the edge of my seat in the first half. I thought it was amazing.

And I even think the game, in and of itself, was great when playing Abby. I just didn't want to play as her so it made the gameplay feel tedious (I was just rushing through hoping to get to Ellie).

I too wish the game was different. Not that I particularly wanted the story changed, but I wanted most or all of my time to be spent with Ellie and her new crew or Joel (even if just in flashbacks).

And the end left me feeling empty and apathetic. I was tired of the game at that point. Mainly because most of the characters should have died 10x over from the crap they endured.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26832721 - 07/19/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get alot of gaming these days but I like to watch playthroughs on YT so I appreciate people like naughty dog making a good story.

I loved the 1st one. The ending fucked with me.


Alright so main themes of the story that are great... They're trying to make the story as if these are real people. And they excel.
1. People don't just get over trauma. We see Elie, Joel, and Abby deal with it. Abby hits the gym and gets beefed. (As a woman I know how much work it takes and it's at obsessive levels to get that brawny as a woman.) Elie doesn't eat and doesn't sleep.  You can see the toll it takes on them and their relationships.
2. People don't just go off into the sunset and get happy endings when they have to deal with things like this
3. Perspective is everything. In every side we see more that people have sympathetic motives. The cult. The WLF. The FEDRA of Seattle and Boston. And of course Abby.
4. Revenge is a cycle someone has to break. Often both parties have to let it go. This was so fucking well done. Joel kills Abby's dad. Abby kills Joel. Elie kills her friends. Abby kills one of hers and stops at more because of the boy. Her present. Her future. What she has now. Elie has the same choice but she can't let it go.

In large part because of her trauma and her fraught relationship. They were never able to repair their relationship and Elie is probably projecting some of her internal hatred onto Abby for that. She can't let it go because she can't face it. Even one of her journal notes reference this.


That being said the 2 weakest points of the story are the flashbacks and the idea that it was a revenge narrative. Cool it's with 2 tough as nails gritty girls and cool we see both sides of the story but revenge stories have just been done to death.

There's little tidbits about coping with grief early on and I can't help but feel Elie might have been able to let it go if Jesse had lived. If she had had more support and people who could help her reason out her thoughts.


Dina enables her. Kinda characteristic of young love. Tommy's meltdown on the farm made no sense to me though. That seemed out of character.



I don't mind the flashbacks but the timeline was confusing and there were just too many.

Bigot sandwich sounds in character for a snarky kid with her friends.
The lesbian story was handled well. As a very rare thing. Not fetishized or implied or sidelined, just part of the story like any other relationship.

Cliche but we all get cliche wants.



"This is a family establishment." Is something I've heard before. It was a cliche moment dreamed up in someone's head but I have these personal experience things. Like lived almost that exact experience. Only they were smart enough to not call me a dyke.
And lesser ones where I know we're only being called out because we're two chicks. Always the "this is a place for families" or "this is a public place". What they mean is "I'm uncomfortable." Not bigotry so much as people projecting outward instead of looking inward.

I don't consume media much because of how unrealistic the stories are and how annoyed I get that people don't act like people. Aside from living from things they shouldn't this is a story where characters act like real people.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26832728 - 07/19/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Good story. Just a bit heavy handed and again the narrative is overdone as fuck.

The first story had more appeal because father daughter stories haven't been explored as much.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26832924 - 07/19/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ya know what I think we got Abby's long winded story because it was supposed to be a DLC but people bitch about DLC.

After the scene with the doctor all of that should have been DLC.


Cept maybe the last playthrough with her. I feel like that context benefitted the story.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26832961 - 07/19/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I can agree with Cookiecrumbs for the most part about this but I feel Im the only one that was blown away by this story. Still a top 5 game of the year contender for me. I think the game creators did a fantastic job on portraying both sides because there is always 2 sides of the story. I think alot of people are too attatched to Ellie and hoping for the Superman win thats always guaranteed. Instead was ending was neutral and open ended. They are both seeking revenge but are both good people. Emotions and opinion changed for me throughout the story strongly. It makes me wonder why all of them fight when they are all the same people fighting against the infected to survive ??? I hope if there is a third edition, maybe they work together.

Even though no one truely win, its a beautiful story to tell.


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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Cosmic Eye]
    #27049229 - 11/20/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Whoa I just saw that HBO is going to be doing a future Last of Us series


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