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The First Church Of Shroomery * 1
    #26828701 - 07/17/20 10:55 AM (16 days, 19 hours ago)

Good Day.

Grace, mercy, and peace in the Name of Yahweh, the Creator of all, the Savior and Lord Jesus, and the holy spirit. A church gives its tidings.

It doesn't appear there were any thread like this one before, so let this be the first! :rasta:

What can we do?
  • Discuss anything Scripture, God, Angels, Ecclesia, or church-related.
  • Find and express good faith, freely, among each other, free from inflammation or oppressive doubt.


I intend to keep this thread more basic, not like a debate thread, though I'm considering making a "Debate With The Church" thread for any interested.

Please avoid discussion of transgressions, especially of others browsing Shroomery, as this is likely meaningless. Oh, and inb4 some disgruntled troll sends in agents to masquerade as of faith, yet inwardly is ravenous.

(In advance, just in case of any inflammatory comments, please ignore them, or if you are compelled, take further discussion into a debate thread or P.M..
As Jesus said: "Let your communication be, "Yea, yea," or "Nay, nay," for whatsoever is excessive than these comes of badness.")

Regardless, in case the First Church Of Shroomery needs any ice-breaker, I found this:

https://randomwordgenerator.com/bible.php

It's a random Bible-verse machine.
I wouldn't consider it divination, given nobody is using it as a diviner.

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Who am I?

Well, I remember seeing church when I very young, but family quit going. I remember being frustrated about Christianity as a young one, because I didn't know Elohim (God).

I was always a tangy, metallic, and silent person, yet undoubtedly faithful in my heart, playful, compassionate, and desiring intelligence, not to mention nutty.

My early school years were at first difficult, but after a while, I generally had a few decent friends, and got by in class. I was considered intellectually gifted despite exhibiting A.D.H.D. and Asperger's.

Only from high school to late college (not the end of college) was I a model student.

With friends, prior to high school, discussion of religion was rare, and fragmentary at best. Yet in high school, I was a convicted heathen, and my friends knew it.

As for substances, a modest part of me was fascinated about psychedelia from childhood, yet I didn't try a weed brownie (reluctantly) until late high school, and didn't realize the joy of weed and substances until college. This doesn't count the Adderall that I've had for 30% of the school years since childhood.

Prior to the end of college, my whole life was very . . . rectangular is the word I would use, if that makes sense.

My friends and I would engage in moderate-to-heavy weed smoking every week to every month, eating and drinking, committing heathen revelries and laughing. Psychedelics hardly came in until later, although since studying them, I was already in love with the idea.

But a few unusual psychedelic trips later, all my old friends grew out and began to go separate ways, and I couldn't find any new ones, so I was all alone, save for some scant online stuff with foreigners, which also later died out to me.

Things started seeming south for me. I began to experience hallucinations outside of drug trips -- not like a "rectangular" distortion as I would have before, but actually seeing signs, which were alien to me, and hearing people and voices that apparently evidently were not there in reality.

At the end of college, I was inspired by intellectuals, mainly about things in east Asia (I am half Chinese), but also about drug policy, and the way society works, so I started a spirit journey.

My life went from very "rectangular" :rocket: to much more "radial" :mushroom2:, as I would put it.

I spent my off-time then trying to sell drugs and find fellow tokers, which just dropped off rather disastrously (I'll spare you the details). Later, I would just spend off-time listening to nostaligic music, generally getting blazed, and meditating with my consciousness.

My academic performance dropped off, causing me to change my major from engineering to a basic degree, but that's okay.

I had a lot of "quack theories" and crazy intellectual trips I wanted to share, but nowhere I really felt to share it.

After one faithful spirit journey about the world, I saw God appear to me while I was laying down in my bed at night.

My first vision of God looked like a some tripped out "Iridion-3D", all gold and just a radial fractal representing life, on the hallway way on account of the light down the hall.
This could hardly have come at a better time, as my spirit and my mind was radically worn out from stressing out about the world all day, getting nothing else done. -- I needed a real savior, I was beyond exasperated, and God showed Oneself to me, a then-life-long, vocal skeptic!

Over the next 2 years, I would have distressing visions of daevils, confusing visions of pagan acts, and all the while, in my mind, I was accommodating for sin, yet I was not fully aware of it.

God, Yahweh appeared to me when I sat down at my desk, after a DMT analogue trip at the park at night in which I saw and heard visions of Death. God showed Oneself in a cloud of what I could only call "metaphysical gears in the wall", and as I wondered about God, not knowing God, God said to me, "Yes, I know everything."

I can't tell you the whole story here, but over 1 year, I quickly became an outspoken and devout, God-loving Christian, and interested in serving Elohim like unto a Seraph. I use interlinear Bibles and picked up a little bit on Hebrew.

Right now, as to the world, I'm about going green/ecologically-friendly, realizing the "Jesus economy" based more on love than money, and supporting positive cooperation between some churches of the peoples.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26829346 - 07/17/20 04:11 PM (16 days, 14 hours ago)

Hi! :wave:

Sorry I don't read the bible so can't discuss much about it.  I think there's good stuff in it but too much has been edited/taken out by folks with motives.  I like the scripture in a Course in Miracles.  Ever checked that out?


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Forrester]
    #26830133 - 07/18/20 03:34 AM (16 days, 3 hours ago)

You can get an interlinear Bible and it's as close to the original Scripts as you can get. Well, the New Teataments are always in Greek, but if you've read enough interlinear Hebrew, you'll see the Greek is as close to the Hebrew as it can get.

I don't know what "course in miracles" is. Care to elaborate?


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26830143 - 07/18/20 03:50 AM (16 days, 2 hours ago)

the Course teaches non-dualism in it's purest form, without going into events that may or may not have happened thousands of years ago.  Christian mysticism you could call it, although I hesitate to call it Christian (Christ wasn't christian) - it does refer to God, Christ, and the holy spirit an awful lot :wink:  Basically, it is a course teaching how to liberate yourself from suffering - kinda like buddhism, but using Christian terms more familiar to the west.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Forrester]
    #26830603 - 07/18/20 11:25 AM (15 days, 19 hours ago)

Sorry, but that stuff sure isn't for me.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386] * 1
    #26831196 - 07/18/20 05:19 PM (15 days, 13 hours ago)

You should really look into Satan worship.  I’m not into it but they have pretty good values. Definitely more wholesome and loving than any church group off shoot based on Christian belief. 

  I can send you a link.  They definitely have done less damage through war, genocide, pure hate compared to Christianity.  Look at who has conquered the world through war in all of history.  It’s different versions of Christian faith.  The satan worshippers Look to help humanity through love and caring devotion.  As opposed to a faith that covers up and encourages pedophilia.  they offer safe true love for fellow human beings.  Christians fucking come through destroy a people and their religion all through out history, and continue today.  Then they act like they are so loving, caring and looking to help fellow humans.  Lol. Not true.  Show me a satanic group in history who has done any of that.

  You are a false prophet and are simply doing your best to continue spreading hate and destruction in the world.  Given the chance Christians will move on to another planet create war just to spread the word of “their” one true god.  AND they are so self centered they won’t even admit their is a slight possibility of sentient life within all of the cosmos.  A very close minded hypocritical hateful people.


Edit:

Now I don’t believe in following a religion, or non religion..  whatever.  But just looking at how these crazies on what ever side there is it all looks like fanatical bullshit.  So I’m just gonna be me and live a life as close to nature’s laws as possible.  Whatever those are idk..  but I’m not gonna come in and say you shouldn’t be god loving, fearing whatever.  But you went into asantes weird thread and came off like another bible toting lunatic so figured I could do the same.  Here is a link.  You should read it.  And burn your bible.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/?amp


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #26831260 - 07/18/20 05:56 PM (15 days, 12 hours ago)



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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Asante]
    #26831297 - 07/18/20 06:13 PM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

Hi Asante.  I got booted from the pub for awhile.  Been reading your thread.  Always enjoy your viewpoint spiritual things.  Always from the heart, loving and caring....

I’d ask:  Am I helping my friends and family enough, too much?  Can I take time off for myself and not feel guilty.  Or maybe why do I feel guilt about the lack of time and energy needed to do all these projects for everyone when I don’t have the time and energy for my life and projects.  I just want a guilt free break.

Edit:  not trying to derail this thread.  So I ask this question to both sides.  The true spiritual side and the man made factory production side of god.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #26831434 - 07/18/20 07:46 PM (15 days, 10 hours ago)

Thanks for loving Jesus, bro. God bless you!


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #26831882 - 07/19/20 03:41 AM (15 days, 2 hours ago)

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Hi Asante.  I got booted from the pub for awhile.  Been reading your thread.  Always enjoy your viewpoint spiritual things.  Always from the heart, loving and caring....

I’d ask:  Am I helping my friends and family enough, too much?  Can I take time off for myself and not feel guilty.  Or maybe why do I feel guilt about the lack of time and energy needed to do all these projects for everyone when I don’t have the time and energy for my life and projects.  I just want a guilt free break.

Edit:  not trying to derail this thread.  So I ask this question to both sides.  The true spiritual side and the man made factory production side of god.





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If you have been neglecting yourself then work on yourself more for a while, because only he who stands on solid ground can carry the world on his shoulders. The world needs strong givers, not exhausted ones.




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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26832511 - 07/19/20 01:01 PM (14 days, 17 hours ago)

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Sorry, but that stuff sure isn't for me.




To each his own :smile:


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Forrester]
    #26833472 - 07/20/20 12:01 AM (14 days, 6 hours ago)

What is the greatest lesson you've learned from The Course In Miracles?

Mine is the power of giving.. communicating sexually with a woman.. like Denise Richards.. shes really hot!


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26833948 - 07/20/20 10:04 AM (13 days, 20 hours ago)

From reading the Book Of Romans, Forrester, I have nothing to say for those of you who form sub-sects under God and politely worship in those ways, given what you do is in truth and faith, as opposed to pressures and revelries.

Also, for everyone else, I would like to cite, if I may, from the New Testament, concerning personal desires in this life:

"Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day One visits us."

One way I see it is anything that is waging war against your faith in God, let it be severed from you, for that which wages war against your faith is therefore waging war against your soul. Don't worry about losing something for good, for as you know, God knows you better than you could know yourself, and God already knows what you need before you even ask One.

God can give you all so you lack nothing, but you must revere thy God, and let One, and serve One. :stoned:

"Let us walk properly as in the light, not in orgies and drunkenness, and not in sexual immorality and sensationality, and not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires."

P.S. Some deceivers have popped up, but I implore you to ignore them. Don't grieve about the falsehood, for it is imperative these things pass, yet woe to the one(s) by whom they pass.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386] * 3
    #26833977 - 07/20/20 10:23 AM (13 days, 20 hours ago)

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The First Church Of Shroomery




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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Asante]
    #26834348 - 07/20/20 02:07 PM (13 days, 16 hours ago)

If we are to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves, doesn't that mean we should refrain from doing illegal things?


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26834361 - 07/20/20 02:15 PM (13 days, 16 hours ago)

What if it’s illegal to be Christian?  Or Buddhism? Or whatever your faith/religion/private practices...

Legality & Illegality don’t always correspond with good & evil, moral & immoral.

It’s deeper than that.


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and in its momentary groundless gleaming,
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a deceitful flash, a diaphanous form of emptiness.
Yet delving deeply we find neither truth nor falsehood,
for neither present nor absent, it is beyond all conception;
we know it like the sky, inexpressible, unimaginable,
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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26834453 - 07/20/20 03:07 PM (13 days, 15 hours ago)

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What is the greatest lesson you've learned from The Course In Miracles?





The main thing it teaches; forgiveness.  Of everything.  =  Freedom :smile:

Quote:

Totodile386 said:

"Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day One visits us."

One way I see it is anything that is waging war against your faith in God, let it be severed from you, for that which wages war against your faith is therefore waging war against your soul. Don't worry about losing something for good, for as you know, God knows you better than you could know yourself, and God already knows what you need before you even ask One.

God can give you all so you lack nothing, but you must revere thy God, and let One, and serve One. :stoned:

"Let us walk properly as in the light, not in orgies and drunkenness, and not in sexual immorality and sensationality, and not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires."





Interestingly, the course teaches all these things.
 
Only it's presented more as a choice for you if you want freedom from suffering (enlightenment), instead of something God said you must do or else it's a sin that you should feel guilty about and/or expect punishment for.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Forrester]
    #26834473 - 07/20/20 03:18 PM (13 days, 15 hours ago)

I you're going to give legitimacy to Paul, do you also legitimize his instructions on women's dress wear, head coverings, shunning and church authority structure?


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26835634 - 07/21/20 08:10 AM (12 days, 22 hours ago)

The first death is the only savior.

Revelation 1:18

And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.







The ankh.  Mercury of the Alchemists.  Psilocybe.






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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26835758 - 07/21/20 09:38 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

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If we are to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves, doesn't that mean we should refrain from doing illegal things?




Here is my reaction to your question, friend:

Mark 12:

(14) And they came and said to One, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and do not care about anyone's opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?”
(15) But, knowing their hypocrisy, One said to them, “Why put Me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let Me look at it.”
(16) And they brought one. And One said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to One, “Caesar's.”
(17) Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” And they marveled at One.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26835763 - 07/21/20 09:44 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

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What if it’s illegal to be Christian?  Or Buddhism? Or whatever your faith/religion/private practices...

Legality & Illegality don’t always correspond with good & evil, moral & immoral.

It’s deeper than that.




This is what I think for you:

Matthew 5:10-12

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the Land of Heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you, falsely, on My account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in Heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Matthew 10:22-25

"And you who endure to the end shall be saved. When they persecute you in one city, flee to the next, for verily, I say unto you, you will not have gone through all the cities of Israel before the son of man comes.
A student is not above one's teacher, nor a worker above one's boss. It is enough for the student to be like one's teacher, and the worker like one's boss."


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Forrester]
    #26835772 - 07/21/20 09:50 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

@Forrester

This is what came to me :cool::

John 11:

(9) Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light.
(10) It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26835773 - 07/21/20 09:52 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

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I you're going to give legitimacy to Paul, do you also legitimize his instructions on women's dress wear, head coverings, shunning and church authority structure?




This is what I think:

1 Cornithians 3:

(1) Fellows, fellow brothers, and fellow sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere nurselings in Christ.
(2) I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
(3) You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and bickering among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?
(4) For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

(5) What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as Yahweh has assigned to each their task.
(6) I planted the seed, and Apollos watered it, yet God has been making it grow.
(7) So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. :rasta:


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #26835775 - 07/21/20 09:54 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

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The first death is the only savior.

Revelation 1:18

And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.





This is my quick response:

John 11:

(25) Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
(26) and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

(27) “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Descendant of God, Who is to come into the world.”


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    #26835803 - 07/21/20 10:24 AM (12 days, 20 hours ago)

I had a really bad experience after talking about the bible with the wrong people.  I have this to say!
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    #26835836 - 07/21/20 10:47 AM (12 days, 19 hours ago)

A bad experience? Well, feel free to talk about it as much as you feel, as long as it doesn't contain any sexual detail/suggestiveness or some kind of wickedness we can't simply handle.


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    #26835868 - 07/21/20 10:57 AM (12 days, 19 hours ago)

Let's go on a church campout and talk about the mystical knowledge of God around a camp fire.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26835907 - 07/21/20 11:21 AM (12 days, 19 hours ago)

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Let's go on a church campout and talk about the mystical knowledge of God around a camp fire.




The ways of God are above ours.

To what might I compare one meager point?

Can you imagine a little kid trying to fit differently shaped blocks into their corresponding holes, and struggling? You know the answer, but the child doesn't. :eek: Still, the ways of God are higher than such as is this.

Can you imagine a group of elves, all about to walk through the same door, side-by-side, and upon reaching the door, they all bottleneck and get stuck, not knowing how to go further? You know the answer, but the elves do not. :rolleyes: Still, the ways of God are higher than this.

The word of God; Isaiah 55:

(8) “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways My ways,”
declares Yahweh.
(9) “As the Heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are My ways higher than your ways
    and My thoughts than your thoughts.

Elohim (God) knows us better than we think we know ourselves.

Matthew 6:8 -- "For your Creator knows what you need before you ask One."

Also, Matthew 6:

(26) Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your Heavenly Creator feeds them. Are you not much more worthwhile than they?
(27) Can any one of you, by worrying, add a single hour to your life?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206&version=NIV


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Totodile386]
    #26836413 - 07/21/20 03:49 PM (12 days, 14 hours ago)

Here's a meme I made to show the difference between the teaching of Jesus and those of Paul.



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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26837133 - 07/21/20 09:31 PM (12 days, 9 hours ago)

Not sure I follow what this is saying.


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    #26837454 - 07/22/20 02:36 AM (12 days, 4 hours ago)

It reveals that Paul effectively forbade the original instructions, it's one of the most embarrassing things for pastors to address.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26837550 - 07/22/20 05:27 AM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

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It reveals that Paul effectively forbade the original instructions, it's one of the most embarrassing things for pastors to address.




"Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows' houses, and for a show make lengthy prayers. These people will be punished most severely."

Is this what you wanted?


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    #26837667 - 07/22/20 08:03 AM (11 days, 22 hours ago)

Yes, but the "teachers of the law" in the passage you are referring to (which is spot on with regards to people like Paul) is not warning about teachers of the law (that's a bad translation), it's warning about the scribes joined to the Pharisees (or the learned men who run the worship centers).

Teaching the law is a good thing and Jesus taught the law, so that's kind of an injustice to the passage, but yes. When Yoshua said that, he was warning about people like Paul and his followers who would be hypocrites and not actually aspire to follow the things they teach.

And if you examine a pastor, that's exactly their behavior, because of their social responsibilities. I however, have no social responsibilities. And I'm very thankful for that.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26837679 - 07/22/20 08:14 AM (11 days, 22 hours ago)

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Yes, but the "teachers of the law" in the passage you are referring to (which is spot on with regards to people like Paul) is not warning about teachers of the law (that's a bad translation), it's warning about the scribes joined to the Pharisees (or the learned men who run the worship centers).

Teaching the law is a good thing and Jesus taught the law, so that's kind of an injustice to the passage, but yes. When Yoshua said that, he was warning about people like Paul and his followers who would be hypocrites and not actually aspire to follow the things they teach.

And if you examine a pastor, that's exactly their behavior, because of their social responsibilities. I however, have no social responsibilities. And I'm very thankful for that.




In some ways in this world, it's just too easy to point at society's churches and go, "Look! Drunkards and sinners!"

But forget all that for a moment.

What do you think a "church" or "ecclesia" means? A building? A congregation? -- What do you wish, ideally, a church should be like?


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    #26837987 - 07/22/20 10:52 AM (11 days, 19 hours ago)

A level brotherhood of people operating according to the best principles they can find


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26838021 - 07/22/20 11:03 AM (11 days, 19 hours ago)

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A level brotherhood of people operating according to the best principles they can find




You should read or hear the Book of Psalms. It's the longest Bible book, but its message is relevant.

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." -- Hebrews 4:12

But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as humanity sees: humanity looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.” -- 1 Samuel 16:7

"Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away." -- Matthew 24:35

"One humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that one does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD." -- Deuteronomy 8:3

“It is written, “‘Humanity shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” -- Matthew 4:4

"[Elohim's] word is a Lamp to my feet and a Light to my path." -- Psalms 119:105

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." -- John 1:1

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever." -- Isaiah 40:8

"Every word of Elohim proves true; One is a Shield to those who take refuge in One." -- Proverbs 30:5

"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the ones of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." -- 2 Timothy 3:16-17


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    #26838425 - 07/22/20 02:04 PM (11 days, 16 hours ago)

The apostle Paul was a false prophet and if you follow him, you will end up in hell.


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Re: The First Church Of Shroomery [Re: Hartford]
    #26838472 - 07/22/20 02:27 PM (11 days, 16 hours ago)

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The apostle Paul was a false prophet and if you follow him, you will end up in hell.



I'm really busy at this time, and I can't respond as quickly as I would like.

Nonehteless, calm down. I have 1 thing for you (through which I have not fully gone).

Let's see . . .

2 Cornithians 11:

1 I hope you will put up with me in a little foolishness. Yes, please put up with me! 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[a] 6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!

12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Paul Boasts About His Sufferings
16 I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool. But if you do, then tolerate me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting. 17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool. 18 Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast. 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face. 21 To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!

Whatever anyone else dares to boast about—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast about. 22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham’s descendants? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me. 33 But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.


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    #26839315 - 07/22/20 09:06 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

Freethinking Log, 7-22-2020:

2 out of maybe every 16-20 monotubs get infected. But these things must come to pass.

>Dear Lord, are these real figures?

(The ruler answered them harshly. Rejecting the advice of the elders)

>...

(Do not listen to those who oppress you harshly)

>Pay attention to Yahweh at every step of the project.

>If you misplace your monotub, it will swarm with infection.

You ask to be hidden from the conspiracy of the wicked, from the plots of evildoers.

All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display My glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign LORD.

>Let's see, straight-to-monotub could go many ways.

>Straight-to-monotub could be a fast, easy, and effective way.

>However, we don't know.

>Straight-to-monotub could be a gamble with infection.

>For all intents and purposes, straight-to-monotub could be all but a one-stop shop for infection.

What do you envision?

>Lord, I picture a straight-to-monotub tub, fully consolidated!

What else do you envision?

>I think I can see a straight-to-monotub tub, infected with some green stuff, but I don't know why.

>As for the mycelium here, it is hardly established.

>I think I can see monotubs infected with mold..

>They were in fruiting

>Lord, I don't want to associate with decadent destruction.

When you enter a sterile space, do not look gussied-up, as the hypocrites so, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are being sterile.

Verily, I say to you, they have received their reward in full.

You don't know what the visions mean.

You aren't familiar with how seed comes from foreign places and foreign churches to your grasp.


>I should say I also saw mycelium in a dish defeating a small infection.

Do not call yourself low.

For you are of a chosen people, a holy nation, Elohim's special possession, to declare praises in One's wonderful light.

You know to reject deception.

Reject false messengers, false angels.

Modesty is the reverence of Yahweh;
the wages of modesty are wealths, and honor, and life.

>I know You cannot be partial to those I keep.

>Is there any way that my projects can still be very resilient from infection, lest I suffer losses?

God already knows where an infection will occur.


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    #26856838 - 08/01/20 08:25 AM (1 day, 22 hours ago)

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You should really look into Satan worship.  I’m not into it but they have pretty good values. Definitely more wholesome and loving than any church group off shoot based on Christian belief. 

  I can send you a link.  They definitely have done less damage through war, genocide, pure hate compared to Christianity.  Look at who has conquered the world through war in all of history.  It’s different versions of Christian faith.  The satan worshippers Look to help humanity through love and caring devotion.  As opposed to a faith that covers up and encourages pedophilia.  they offer safe true love for fellow human beings.  Christians fucking come through destroy a people and their religion all through out history, and continue today.  Then they act like they are so loving, caring and looking to help fellow humans.  Lol. Not true.  Show me a satanic group in history who has done any of that.

  You are a false prophet and are simply doing your best to continue spreading hate and destruction in the world.  Given the chance Christians will move on to another planet create war just to spread the word of “their” one true god.  AND they are so self centered they won’t even admit their is a slight possibility of sentient life within all of the cosmos.  A very close minded hypocritical hateful people.


Edit:

Now I don’t believe in following a religion, or non religion..  whatever.  But just looking at how these crazies on what ever side there is it all looks like fanatical bullshit.  So I’m just gonna be me and live a life as close to nature’s laws as possible.  Whatever those are idk..  but I’m not gonna come in and say you shouldn’t be god loving, fearing whatever.  But you went into asantes weird thread and came off like another bible toting lunatic so figured I could do the same.  Here is a link.  You should read it.  And burn your bible.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/?amp





Satan worship is a Christian faith, it's based entirely on Christian mythology.  I agree that their values are better than most other Christian faiths, but viewing them as not Christian is a trap, they are just following a different member of the Christian pantheon than most.


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