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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26824834 - 07/15/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I love the old albums, but I can't begrudge them for growing up and wanting to do something more meaningful and less about teen rage.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26824837 - 07/15/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Great point, only it started sucking when they did IMHE.:shrug:


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26826094 - 07/15/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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What are you even talking about?  There are like half a million more instances of black on white violence than the other way around.  It's literally slanted by like 8x or 9x black people violently attacking white people.

Black 2nd amendment supporters exist and they get along with white 2nd amendment supporters too so IDK what you're point is about people exercising their constitutional rights.




That’s a pretty big claim can you back that up with studies, or some other reliable source that backs that claim up? I wouldn’t mind seeing that information


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #26826557 - 07/16/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Here is some information on violent crime that supports that stat, I'll look further for the 2019-  570,000 vs 70,000 interracial instances which is what the original number was presented to me as:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

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Race/ethnicity 2018

White: Total Pop:  171,493,180  Offenses:  2,669,900    Victims:  3,957,720
Black:  Total Pop:  33,132,390  Offenses:  1,155,670  Victims: 644,710

From this, we can conclude there were 1,287,820 more instances of white people being victims of violence than offenders of violence.

We can also conclude that there were 510,960 more instances of black people being the offenders of violence than being victims of violence.

Even if white people only attacked white people, there are 1,287,820 more instances of them being the victims of violence which begs the question- who is committing these 1.2 million acts of violence?

Even if black people were only attacked by black people, there would be 510,960 instances of black people committing acts of violence on someone.  Who are these victims?

Everybody knows intra-racial (White on white, black on black) crime is more prevalent than any other.

Based on these stats for 2018, white people are 5.1 times the population of black people they experience 6.1 times as many victims of violence and have 2.3 as many offenders of violence. 

White people have 1.5% of their population committing violence, while 2.3% are victims of violence. 
Black people have 3.4% of their population committing violence, while 1.9% are victims of violence.

As expected, 3.4 is 2.27 times 1.5 = 227% we deduced earlier.   


I would also like to point out that if 3.4% of black people are offenders of violence, that means that 96.6% of black people aren't violent criminals.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26826562 - 07/16/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That only proves that society has a big problem with the way black people are treated.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26826645 - 07/16/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How do you figure? How doesn't it prove that black people are overall more violent in the U.S.? Or that their culture promotes violence?

I'm not saying black people are all to blame, but they're definitely part to blame.

If from those numbers you only conclude that everyone but black people are to blame, I believe that's as "racist" as any comment that I've made.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 7
    #26826661 - 07/16/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It isn't "their" culture.  It is American culture.  We've been over this.  Yes, black people are to blame.  White people are to blame.  Everyone in the U.S. is to blame, including those who are long dead.  Culture is created by all of us. 

How can you not see that culture is a product of centuries of society, including black and white conduct? 

Stats like that show there is a problem, but instead of looking for solutions, you're looking for blame.  You didn't create slavery, and you haven't, I assume, personally oppressed any black people, but we are all a part of a society that systemically has created and maintained long-term oppression of black people.  That has consequences, and the statistics clearly show those consequences. 

So today we have a big problem.  All of us do.  Do you want to address the problem?  Or do you want to push it off on those least equipped to address it?  Blaming the oppressed for not overcoming oppression is about as fucked up as it gets.  This isn't about white guilt.  This is about Societal guilt.  Our society is fucked up, and we can accept that and work to improve it, or we can just point fingers at the "other."


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26826699 - 07/16/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It isn't "their" culture.  It is American culture.  We've been over this.  Yes, black people are to blame.  White people are to blame.  Everyone in the U.S. is to blame, including those who are long dead.  Culture is created by all of us. 

How can you not see that culture is a product of centuries of society, including black and white conduct? 

Stats like that show there is a problem, but instead of looking for solutions, you're looking for blame.  You didn't create slavery, and you haven't, I assume, personally oppressed any black people, but we are all a part of a society that systemically has created and maintained long-term oppression of black people.  That has consequences, and the statistics clearly show those consequences. 

So today we have a big problem.  All of us do.  Do you want to address the problem?  Or do you want to push it off on those least equipped to address it?  Blaming the oppressed for not overcoming oppression is about as fucked up as it gets.  This isn't about white guilt.  This is about Societal guilt.  Our society is fucked up, and we can accept that and work to improve it, or we can just point fingers at the "other."



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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 3
    #26826733 - 07/16/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Welfare that forced fathers out of the homes and created a trap of poverty and broken homes for generations played a role. 

When you get into stats, you'll find most people who get arrested or are involved in crime come from single parent homes and poverty.

97% of black people aren't violent criminals, so obviously the problem isn't "black people."

American Society is def sick violence is a symptom like a cough or a sneeze is symptoms of something else.  I blame a lot of it on the entertainment we consume, it's easy to see how it influenced me growing up and you can see how it influences other people.  I mean come on, is it REALLY healthy to spend time and energy to get money just to spend it on watching a huge screen of a movie that shows people torturing each other? 

The people who run shit are sick.  Look at all that Epstein shit.  Look at the fucking president choices!  Both are accused of being rapists and shit.  The whole world is kind of sick when you really get into it.  Rich people vs poor people they create stress and misery to maintain their power, rich people buying kids and shit.  We're all supposed to work together to stop that shit. 

Trying to create an air of hostility towards white people when they are already the highest victims of violence isn't helping to bring people together tho is it?  I don't have "friends" on facebook that share videos of black people being hurt or attacked, but I do have "friends" that spread around videos of violence against white people getting hurt and attacked so when someone who doesn't live in America tries to perpetuate an air of "white people are attacking and killing minorites in the streets of America" -which is untrue and divisive- then I feel the need to say something.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26826914 - 07/16/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It isn't "their" culture.  It is American culture.  We've been over this.  Yes, black people are to blame.  White people are to blame.  Everyone in the U.S. is to blame, including those who are long dead.  Culture is created by all of us. 

How can you not see that culture is a product of centuries of society, including black and white conduct? 

Stats like that show there is a problem, but instead of looking for solutions, you're looking for blame.  You didn't create slavery, and you haven't, I assume, personally oppressed any black people, but we are all a part of a society that systemically has created and maintained long-term oppression of black people.  That has consequences, and the statistics clearly show those consequences. 

So today we have a big problem.  All of us do.  Do you want to address the problem?  Or do you want to push it off on those least equipped to address it?  Blaming the oppressed for not overcoming oppression is about as fucked up as it gets.  This isn't about white guilt.  This is about Societal guilt.  Our society is fucked up, and we can accept that and work to improve it, or we can just point fingers at the "other."



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My reaction to the data: "That's fucked up. How are we all going to fix this problem as a society?"
DV's reaction to the data: "That's fucked up, but it's just as much black people's fault as white people..."





My reaction was, how does this only show that it's everyone's fault but black people's? But that was unacceptable too.

:lolsy:

Ok black people don't have a different culture. I get it. We're all the exact same.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 2
    #26826933 - 07/16/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's not at all what you said.  I said:

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Enlil said:
That only proves that society has a big problem with the way black people are treated.



To which you responded:

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How do you figure? How doesn't it prove that black people are overall more violent in the U.S.? Or that their culture promotes violence?




No one ever made the claim that it was everyone's fault but black people's.  I said society has a problem with the way black people are treated.  You asked how I came to that conclusion.  I explained it very clearly.

I'm not blaming anyone in particular or any race in particular.  I'm blaming the society that every single one of us has created and maintained.  That "us" includes people of all races.  Why are you so defensive about this?  Is there something you would like to confess?


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26827001 - 07/16/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If we legalized drugs it would solve over 95% of the problem.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: budmanman]
    #26827004 - 07/16/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

regulation in a sensible way

legalizing could lead to much more destruction based on how the public handles it already


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26827062 - 07/16/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How did you conclude that society has a problem with how blacks are treated from the statistics showing that blacks commit more crime is what I asked.

Then the other guy said that I was trying to push blame. Nope, I asked how it's not partly their blame too? And that was offensive I guess.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26827065 - 07/16/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There has to be some reason, right?  We know it isn't biological.  What else could it be other than societal pressures?  Do you have any counter-hypotheses?


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 1
    #26827105 - 07/16/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok black people don't have a different culture. I get it. We're all the exact same.



Omg that is such an unfair misrepresentation of my position.

You know damn well that nobody in this thread is actually saying that "we're all the exact same", and asserting that this is my (or anybody else's) actual belief is a childish rhetorical tactic. You're misrepresenting my (or Enlil's) position to make it easier to attack. "We're all the exact same" is such an obviously false proposition that only an idiot would believe it, and you know that. The fact that you actually wrote that out demonstrates your unwillingness to (or inability to) actually engage with the arguments you're challenging.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26827106 - 07/16/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I already agreed that that's part of it. Also their culture and music of living a fast life doesn't help. Make it big or not at all. Spend your money fast and look flashy instead of saving for the future.

Maybe black artists should stop rapping about brrrat brrrating people with the gat and rap more about loving everyone and fighting societal norms more.

That's what I've been saying.

But for some reason that's not acceptable.

And for some reason it's acceptable to say that I don't trust cops too much but not to say that I don't trust blacks too much. I see how both statements are wrong, but I'm sticking to them both. It doesn't mean that I don't love them or that I treat them differently. It means that I'm a little more suspicious around them. From what I've seen and experienced in life makes me not trust them as much.

I know for sure if a black person said that they don't trust whites too much, that it wouldn't be an issue. But the reverse is unacceptable.

I may be wrong but I'm not racist. I don't care what kind of way anyone tries to twist it.

All I was saying is that to conclude that society doesn't treat blacks fairly from just the numbers of them being more violent is illogical.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26827108 - 07/16/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If we legalized drugs it would solve over 95% of the problem.




Yet, BLM makes no to little mention about the 'war on drugs', it's almost like it's been infiltrated from the very beginning to create narratives that divide the population.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26827113 - 07/16/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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There has to be some reason, right?  We know it isn't biological.  What else could it be other than societal pressures?  Do you have any counter-hypotheses?




You keep suggesting there's no biological differences other than skin color, how did you come to that conclusion?  Is skin color the only biological factor between the races?  Many would argue there's other differences.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: qman]
    #26827190 - 07/16/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black people have more fast twitch muscles.  That’s why they predominately make up the NBA, some of the positions in the NFL, etc.  pretty sure this is biological and proven


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