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SirTripAlot
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Our state of affairs, when a two bit fake god is right.
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This is my biggest problem with Trump. I can overlook most of his stupidity with respect to policy because we've had enough republican Presidents to know what we're getting in that regard. The major issue is that Trump has made the country look like bumbling fools on a global stage. That is going to have long-term detrimental effects to the nation.
The most important job a President has is being the frontman for our nation. Right now, our frontman is a marginally literate compulsive liar who thinks ratings are more important than anything else. The U.S. is now the world's reality TV show.

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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Enlil]
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Vahn421
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No, literally the plan has been to hold out on NK until they agree to come to the table with some reasonable level of willingness to negotiate.
Source, please. In all my life I've never heard this. And even if it's true, I'm going to have to find out WHOSE plan it was.
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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As Koods said, NK has been ignored by US presidents for decades. All you have to do is look at the long list of presidents that didn’t visit NK. It’s a fact. Trump deviated as he was the first ever face to face meeting with NK. Missile production and testing of course has resumed. So what has been gained? Nothing, the dude got played, or at a minimum he got to stroke his ego.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/875539237/2-years-after-singapore-summit-u-s-north-korea-relations-back-to-square-1
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Also, NK calling Trump a dotard directly after a meeting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50682235
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Vahn421
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christopera said: Also, NK calling Trump a dotard directly after a meeting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50682235
The article itself self it was *before* the meeting back when they were still flinging shit at each other.
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Vahn421
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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As Koods said, NK has been ignored by US presidents for decades. All you have to do is look at the long list of presidents that didn’t visit NK.
This is such a ridiculous spin on the NK situation unless you can give me a source to prove it is true.
Meeting countries to form diplomatic relations should always be at the top of our list. Ignoring them doesn't solve anything.
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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They called him a dotard twice. They first called him that in 2017.
I provided a source. You are just going to have to admit that Trump is the only president in decades to meet with NK. You can tell by the way that it is.
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You said Trump had unprecedented relations in NK, you are right, but that’s because they think he’s a dotard.
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North Korea also just blew up the neutral meeting point between them and SK. Those tensions are so easy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/16/asia/north-korea-explosion-intl-hnk/index.html
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I got a feeling Kim Jong isn't behind any of this and he's just a puppet. The smile on Kim's face when he was meeting with both Trump and Moon Jae-in was real. Almost relieved. He's likely inherited a dynasty he has no control over.
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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Does it matter?
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I think it would make a world of difference. I think the game being played is bigger than we realize, and I don't think for a minute trying to meet to the DPRK was bad thing.
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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The facts (not the theories) show that Trump was played the fool. NK continues to play games and build nuclear weapons, Trump simply stood there and smiled.
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Enlil said: Jimmy Dore is a comic/conspiracy nutter. Using him as a source isn't going to really win you any credibility except with Falcon
You have to understand, over 10 years ago Jimmy Dore said he didn't buy the official 9/11 story, so Enlil thinks that makes him a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile the NY Times got debunked many times on this forum during the Trump Presidency, but that doesn't count because they were only printing what their unnamed sources were giving them.
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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
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The media is the biggest enemy of the people and has been since WW1. Rough topic to get into. Believe what YOU wantnto believe, not what others say.
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Trump has no idea Trump thought he was going to get a Nobel Peace Prize. He got played by a two bit dictator Quote:
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Enlil said: Jimmy Dore is a comic/conspiracy nutter. Using him as a source isn't going to really win you any credibility except with Falcon
You have to understand, over 10 years ago Jimmy Dore said he didn't buy the official 9/11 story, so Enlil thinks that makes him a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile the NY Times got debunked many times on this forum during the Trump Presidency, but that doesn't count because they were only printing what their unnamed sources were giving them.
Jimmy Dore made a living by being a conspiracy theorist. Maybe now his current shtick is telling the truth. IDK. I don't care because I can't stomach listening to the guy or his show.
IMO being a former conspiracy theorist is like being a former pedophile. Oh, it's OK because you're not doing it anymore?
I want to add that when I attack conspiracy theorists, I mean no offense against our friend and loyal poster, Logical Chaos. IMO he is into conspiracy theory the way some people really enjoy reading science fiction, or whatever. He's not trying to influence national opinion on politics.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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Jimmy Dore made a living by being a comedian. Then he got a gig with The Young Turks.
CNN described his show as "a far-left YouTube channel that peddles conspiracy theories, such as the idea that Syrian chemical weapons attacks are hoaxes". Of course, we now know that a fourth OPCW investigator came out and called the CNN (and other mainstream channels) Assad chemical attack story bullshit. I realize you probably hate Jimmy Dore because he keeps being proven right about things the mainstream media lies about, but maybe you should take a lesson from it and drop your subscription to the NY Times, rather than getting angry at the guy for being right.
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qman
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Jimmy Dore made a living by being a comedian. Then he got a gig with The Young Turks.
CNN described his show as "a far-left YouTube channel that peddles conspiracy theories, such as the idea that Syrian chemical weapons attacks are hoaxes". Of course, we now know that a fourth OPCW investigator came out and called the CNN (and other mainstream channels) Assad chemical attack story bullshit. I realize you probably hate Jimmy Dore because he keeps being proven right about things the mainstream media lies about, but maybe you should take a lesson from it and drop your subscription to the NY Times, rather than getting angry at the guy for being right. 
The fact that Dore nailed the Russiagate nonsense has people like Brian bent out of shape with him.
The fact of the matter is Dore should have lots of credibility for reporting the real facts on Russiagate and ultimately being proven correct, but some people can't admit they were wrong.
In fact, if people listened closely, CNN, MSNBC and others did admit to just speculating on Russiagate after it all fell apart.
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