Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds - Original Sensible Seeds
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
"The Riots That Killed Gun Control" * 1
    #26826969 - 07/16/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody, absolutely nobody can rant like Razorfist.

And he brings up a point I realized on my own between Coronavirus and the rioting: The political left completely forgot they were anti-firearm. Gun sales have skyrocketed across the USA to the point where some cities are running out of guns to sell. Roughly 50-70% of all guns purchased were from first time buyers.

My take on it is simple: The political right was rooted in reality on the gun issue and the political left was not. As soon as "reality" smacks you hard in the face and there was no longer any room left for ideology, we quickly saw which side had it right all along. (This isn't to say the political right is correct on every issue, but god DAMN was it hilarious to watch so many of my anti-gun left leaning peers go out and buy firearms.)

I would also argue that many OTHER platforms the left has like um... DEFUNDING THE POLICE are similarly rooted in ideology and not reality. But of course their cities are going to have to go complete shit before they realize it. So in the meantime, we'll stick with the gun issue.

The political right wasn't pro 2nd amendment because we need guns during times of peace. They were pro 2nd amendment because of shit times like now that always wind up showing up. And no one on the left aside from their fringes are arguing for gun control any more, lemme tell ya. (And even then, I'd argue the fringes decided recently they'd rather be armed to the teeth.)

You know what else is funny? Biden is like the most anti-gun candidate they could have picked. Yeah, good luck what THAT stance this election, Joe.

So yeah, so much for years and years and years of anti-gun rhetoric. That all evaporated in a matter of weeks.



--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/16/20 01:21 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebudmanman
OTD Masterbater
Male


Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 17,975
Loc: PNW
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826985 - 07/16/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Common sense gun control.

What do you mean I have to wait 2 weeks?


--------------------
Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,561
Loc: Utah
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26827035 - 07/16/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Frankly, most of the left has never been particularly anti-gun. Oh sure, it gets talked about a lot, but the vast majority of people on the left who I know either own guns or have an interest in owning guns or like guns. Guns are pretty popular everywhere in America. The right is going to win on guns in the long run. Guns are just too popular.

I personally love the right to bear arms and believe that because it's in the constitution there are no exceptions to it. I think laws that say who can and can't own guns are unconstitutional, and what kinds of guns they can and can't own are also unconstitutional. I would love to live in a place where everyone walks around with a firearm on their hip like some places I hear about. I'm sad that I live in a place that has more restrictive firearm laws and regulations than other places. I would love to live in an extremely unrestricted area. Maybe one day I'll move to one.

Having said that, I'm perfectly willing to entertain and listen to arguments on the opposite side. I've even been known to argue for them on occasion. I'm just not one of those people with political feelings about most things that are so strong that I can't entertain and discuss the opposite side. In fact, I think it's a great strength to be able to seriously consider and even to be able to argue for things you don't actually agree with or believe in. To engage civilly with people with different points of view and to treat them and their ideas with respect is a good thing.

Anyway, you should be happy about this whole thing, but the tone of your post is closer to anger or being upset somehow about the whole situation which is odd. You should be happy that more people are coming over to your side.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,201
Last seen: 1 hour, 1 minute
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: nooneman]
    #26827052 - 07/16/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I own several guns and enjoy shooting them. I especially like shooting clay pigeons. I could also build a gun of just about any variety in my machine shop. I however think that guns have little purpose in modern society outside of hobby use. So if we are to maintain the gun hobby there needs to be some significant changes in stewardship, otherwise the gun rights are going to continue to get chipped away.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: nooneman]
    #26827060 - 07/16/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@Nooneman

It's more I'm laughing at the whole thing, but yes, I'm happy.

Also, I'm mostly with you with the slight exception that I do think having a small list of people who can't own guns period is a good idea. Like former criminals with a violent history. (This is my leftism showing. Hah.) Perhaps if they go for say 5 years without another violent incident, that restriction can be removed.

I'm not sure if shops have a way to scan your I.D. and check a database yet or not. I'm not sure how it works these days.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26827064 - 07/16/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've always wanted to try clay pigeon shooting... it looks fun. I was a pro on my NES 30 years ago with the Zapper.


Quote:

I however think that guns have little purpose in modern society outside of hobby use




In times of peace I completely agree, but times of peace usually don't last...


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebudmanman
OTD Masterbater
Male


Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 17,975
Loc: PNW
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 4
    #26827087 - 07/16/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Get caught with drugs but are not violent, no guns for you.

That is the current system and its shit.


--------------------
Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26827277 - 07/16/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Every time things get a little scary, some deep rooted reptilian autonomic function compels right wingers to buy yet another gun. Lemmings.

We live in a seriously dieseased society. Both physically and culturally. What an embarrassing country full of losers.


Edited by koods (07/16/20 03:57 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26827291 - 07/16/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Every time things get a little scary, some deep rooted reptilian autonomic function compels right wingers to buy yet another gun.




:facepalm:

Did you even read my post? Did you watch the video? Texas alone registered 60%-70% of their gun sales as first time buyers. This trend is happening all over the U.S.A.

Quote:

We live in a seriously dieseased society. Both physically and culturally. What an embarrassing country full of losers.




I'm going to interpret this as, "I don't have a gun and I don't need a gun." Amirite?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSirTripAlot
Semper Fidelis
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 7,459
Loc: Harmless (Mostly)
Last seen: 31 minutes, 20 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26827318 - 07/16/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I was a gun nut; my dad was an amateur gunsmith.  I had the whole get up and then realized unless dropped in a hot zone, my armaments had no real world application.

I decided (highly recommended and harped on by my VA psyche docs) to give most of them up, with the exception of my 12 gauge....shotguns are the best tactical application for personal property protection....the 870 has dust on it, hope it stays that way.


--------------------
“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26828198 - 07/17/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I had liberal friends asking me to show them how to use a gun :rofl:
My buddy works at a gunshop and the onslaught of people trying to buy in conjunction with idiot questions skyrocketed. So liberal buyers.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26829070 - 07/17/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's sad that gun control is even a thing with the mainstream left. I thought liberal meant more freedom. It's even sadder that mass shootings are blamed on guns and not lack of mental health support. You used to be able to buy full-auto military surplus weapons by mail order and there weren't problems.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilynut2
Stranger

Registered: 04/28/17
Posts: 5,120
Last seen: 11 hours, 53 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26829099 - 07/17/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So we have gun problems due to a lack of full of full auto  weapons ? Would allowing full auto weapons to be sold in the mail result in less gun crime ?
How did gun control even get started back in the 30s when people were mowing down fools with their mail purchased machine guns in the street ?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #26829120 - 07/17/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead? Ultimately gun control for a safer society is moot if the causes of why that society are unsafe aren't addressed.

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control. I don't think completely unlicensed sales of automatics would be good for the health of 2020 Americans, partly due to both of the formerly mentioned issues.


--------------------


Edited by Rapjack (07/17/20 02:20 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26829125 - 07/17/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?




1,000% agree.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829151 - 07/17/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vahn421 said:
Quote:

Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?




1,000% agree.




And let's be real. Even military grade guns are pretty simple tech. Someone in Britian designed and built a machine pistol completely out of hardware store parts and a few hand tools, not even any machining. So let's keep this technology accessible to the masses, so it's control doesn't fall to cartels and extremists.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26829163 - 07/17/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Again, agree.

I used to laugh at how anti-gun the moderate to far left was because they were also anti cop and anti military... and I thought to my self, "If you take the guns away from the people, don't only the cops and the military wind up having them?"

At least they fixed THAT glaring gap in their political overview with this shift toward firearms.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebudmanman
OTD Masterbater
Male


Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 17,975
Loc: PNW
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829170 - 07/17/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Only the police should have guns, but also the police are hunting down and slaughtering black people because they're all white supremacists.


--------------------
Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,499
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26829197 - 07/17/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone should be allowed to carry guns except on-duty police officers.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,561
Loc: Utah
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829230 - 07/17/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vahn421 said:
I used to laugh at how anti-gun the moderate to far left was because they were also anti cop and anti military... and I thought to my self, "If you take the guns away from the people, don't only the cops and the military wind up having them?"

At least they fixed THAT glaring gap in their political overview with this shift toward firearms.



Don't be a dick. The moderate left has always supported guns, and as I said among the people on the left who I know most of them either own guns or like guns and always have. Not to mention that the moderate left is not anti-cop or anti-military. Nor has the moderate left ever wanted to take guns away from people. This kind of dickish statement is why people are driven away from your political positions.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilynut2
Stranger

Registered: 04/28/17
Posts: 5,120
Last seen: 11 hours, 53 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26829235 - 07/17/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?



 
  We’ve had a war on poverty going forever .

Quote:

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control.




    Different how ? They were machine gunning people in the streets regularly back then .  That’s how gun control started . No control led to massive problems .


--------------------


Edited by Psilynut2 (07/17/20 03:47 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: nooneman]
    #26829239 - 07/17/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Don't be a dick. The moderate left has always supported guns,




Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/17/20 03:08 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack] * 1
    #26829283 - 07/17/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Rapjack said:
Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead? Ultimately gun control for a safer society is moot if the causes of why that society are unsafe aren't addressed.

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control. I don't think completely unlicensed sales of automatics would be good for the health of 2020 Americans, partly due to both of the formerly mentioned issues.




What is amazing is how the NRA has brainwashed so many people into believing something so fucking stupid


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilynut2
Stranger

Registered: 04/28/17
Posts: 5,120
Last seen: 11 hours, 53 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829293 - 07/17/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

guns,



Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


--------------------




How do you square your enthusiastic support for our military with your need to own guns to shoot at them someday ?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26829299 - 07/17/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is the same guy who thinks talking about Ordering pizza for dinner means you’re a pedophile. Don’t expect a rational answer.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26829302 - 07/17/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Psilynut2 said:
Quote:

guns,



Maybe prior to 2015 when I left the left.

2020 is was a different story until recently, friend.


--------------------




How do you square your enthusiastic support for our military with your need to own guns to shoot at them someday ?




Can ask this question better? I'm not sure we understand one another. I support both the military and personal gun ownership.

Also, is there a fly in this room?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsilynut2
Stranger

Registered: 04/28/17
Posts: 5,120
Last seen: 11 hours, 53 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829318 - 07/17/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I support personal gun ownership  too .
  Does it bother you that I don’t care for the military you guys are always telling me I need guns to protect myself from ?


Edited by Psilynut2 (07/17/20 04:00 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26829332 - 07/17/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, it doesn't bother me.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,340
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 6 hours, 10 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26829577 - 07/17/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vahn421 said:
[quote undiagnosed mental disorders




1,000% agree.




We aren't supposed to make direct personal attacks on the OP.


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26830703 - 07/18/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Psilynut2 said:
Quote:

How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead?



 
  We’ve had a war on poverty going forever .

Quote:

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control.




    Different how ? They were machine gunning people in the streets regularly back then .  That’s how gun control started . No control led to massive problems .




A war on poverty? Was this before or after Reagonomics? I see we're engaged in a war on terror and a war on drugs, did I miss the announcement that the war on poverty has started?
Can you go to a Native Reservation and tell them that to their face? How about inner city America, or rural Appalachia? I'm sorry man, I have too many friends of all colors that grew up on "bread sandwiches" for lunch to believe that the US Gov't is making a systemic, widespread effort on the issue.

About  the 1930's, can you cite historical data showing that people were regularly getting shot and killed in public? I'm curious, from what little history I've studied the major gun killings of the 30's were related to either the Mafia or Unionists / labor activists fighting Pinkerton or the National Gaurd.

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

Rapjack said:
Not at all, what I'm saying is that blaming gun crime and mass shootings on availability of guns misses the root of those problems. How about we focus on undiagnosed mental disorders and poverty instead? Ultimately gun control for a safer society is moot if the causes of why that society are unsafe aren't addressed.

Plus, 1930's - 1970's America was a very different place. I used the mail order thing as a clear example of a lack of gun control. I don't think completely unlicensed sales of automatics would be good for the health of 2020 Americans, partly due to both of the formerly mentioned issues.




What is amazing is how the NRA has brainwashed so many people into believing something so fucking stupid




Ew, NRA. I don't like their political agenda. I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty. All I know is that gun control is stricter than it was in the past and yet mass shootings happened more often in the 2010's than they did in the 1980's, when automatics were still available. So it seems to me that gun control isn't affecting that particular issue.
Suicides via gun have also risen significantly in the past years as well (41% between 2014-17 for example), imo there's an unspoken mental health crisis in the US.

And tbh, I don't even care about automatics specifically. Even in a combat setting there's very specific and limited situations where you'd use it, not to mention all semi's are already a full with addition of a rubber band anyway. As someone on the outside Left I'm using dramatic examples to highlight what I believe is the mainstream left (and right) pushing hot button issues such as gun control or abortion so we as a populace stop responding to politics logically and instead react emotionally. Divide and conquer, y'all.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26830726 - 07/18/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty.




Funny. Most young republicans share this stance.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/18/20 12:56 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26830730 - 07/18/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mass shootings happened more often in the 2010's than they did in the 1980's, when automatics were still available. So it seems to me that gun control isn't affecting that particular issue.
Suicides via gun have also risen significantly in the past years as well (41% between 2014-17 for example), imo there's an unspoken mental health crisis in the US.




I watched a few documentaries about how so many of the school shooters were on the same types of prescription drugs. There were some other interesting patterns as well... that causes me to believe some school shooters were being conditioned to become so.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/18/20 12:59 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26830733 - 07/18/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes prescription drugs cause school shootings 🤦‍♂️


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26830743 - 07/18/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vahn421 said:
Quote:

I'd actually consider myself very, very, far left. Gay married couples should protect their 1000 weed plants with machineguns, because Liberty.




Funny. Most young republicans share this stance.




All young people should... America is built on the values of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness and it seems we as a nation have forgotten that. There's a lot of change going on right now, a lot of it is dismantling old forms of bullshit but parts of it present opportunities for right or left wing authoritarians to consolidate power. We as a people need to use logic right now if we want the concept of American freedom to survive and continue improving.

IMO, if someone is interested in politics they should be studying history instead of the opinions of pundits or message boards. Then they can see what's been tried and worked or failed and form their own solid conclusions.

Edit;
School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.


--------------------


Edited by Rapjack (07/18/20 01:11 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods] * 1
    #26830914 - 07/18/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Yes prescription drugs cause school shootings 🤦‍♂️




One of these days I hope you can learn to win an argument without twisting, exaggerating or embellishing your opponents position. I pity your approach because it leaves so little room for intellectual growth.

I said actual documentaries have proven that most of these kids are on similar chemical compounds. If this doesn't raise an eyebrow, one isn't intellectually honest. There's obviously more to the story. An honest man would investigate further.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/18/20 02:36 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26830918 - 07/18/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/18/20 02:37 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRapjack
Oat Soakin' Toker
I'm a teapot

Registered: 05/15/17
Posts: 483
Loc: Elsewhere
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26830939 - 07/18/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vahn421 said:
Quote:

School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?




Sure, if they were on similar kinds of medications it implies that they had similar issues. Maybe that grouping of issues lends to someone doing violent acts against others, generally the people they perceive as having done them wrong. But, I've also been on prescription meds that've made me act or think more violently. What I'm saying is that the correlation could plausibly go in either direction.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebudmanman
OTD Masterbater
Male


Registered: 02/07/07
Posts: 17,975
Loc: PNW
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26830988 - 07/18/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

England’s most popular antidepressants have been linked to at least 28 murders, an investigation reveals.

It also uncovered a further 32 reports of users suffering from murderous thoughts since the 1980s.

National Health Service medics dole out more than 40 million prescriptions for SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors) annually. Prozac and Paxil are two of the most popular brand-name SSRIs.

The common antidepressants are considered safe for the vast majority of patients.

But there have been reports linking them to psychosis, violence and in extreme cases, murder.

Experts warn that in rare circumstances the pills can trigger dangerous mood swings.


https://nypost.com/2017/07/26/common-antidepressants-linked-to-at-least-28-murders/


--------------------
Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Rapjack]
    #26831122 - 07/18/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Rapjack said:
Quote:

Vahn421 said:
Quote:

School shooters being on the same types of prescriptions could also correlate the other way, in that certain diagnoses tend to lead to school shootings.





@Rapjack, can you explain this better?




Sure, if they were on similar kinds of medications it implies that they had similar issues. Maybe that grouping of issues lends to someone doing violent acts against others, generally the people they perceive as having done them wrong. But, I've also been on prescription meds that've made me act or think more violently. What I'm saying is that the correlation could plausibly go in either direction.




I completely agree with this and we need to do more investigating.

I actually have more thoughts in the matter, but I'd have to post them over in the conspiracy thread. Heh...


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: budmanman]
    #26831129 - 07/18/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

budmanman said:
England’s most popular antidepressants have been linked to at least 28 murders, an investigation reveals.

It also uncovered a further 32 reports of users suffering from murderous thoughts since the 1980s.

National Health Service medics dole out more than 40 million prescriptions for SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors) annually. Prozac and Paxil are two of the most popular brand-name SSRIs.

The common antidepressants are considered safe for the vast majority of patients.

But there have been reports linking them to psychosis, violence and in extreme cases, murder.

Experts warn that in rare circumstances the pills can trigger dangerous mood swings.


https://nypost.com/2017/07/26/common-antidepressants-linked-to-at-least-28-murders/




I had to talk somebody down a few years ago that was having both suicidal and murderous thoughts. I could feel the energy in the room it was so intense, like he was about to snap. I had to ground my self in my heart center and tether him for hours, because I was one of the people he was thinking about killing and I knew if I reacted negatively it was gonna go bad. I was never able to ground him fully but I was able to dispel his negative thoughts at least against me. I left the area the next day and he lost his mind only hours after I was gone, pretty much after I couldn't tether him any longer. (He wound up breaking into cars thinking he was an alien and got arrested.)

I found out he was combining zoloft with a LOT of alcohol. Then I read up on what that does. Sheesh.

It's the only time I've ever been around someone who was that far ripped apart mentally.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/18/20 04:47 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,767
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 1 hour, 38 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26835475 - 07/21/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Gun control in the U.S.? :hahthatsrich:  when's that going to start?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #26835821 - 07/21/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Gun control is for chumps.  Maybe in the civilized world people can rely on cops and courts to protect them but here in dumbfuckistan we have unidentified goons snatching people off the street into unmarked vans.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26835850 - 07/21/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

unidentified goons




Surely, you're talking about Antifa, right?

Are you butthurt that other people came along playing by the same rules as the all black wearing anonymous soyboys and just happened to be more powerful? That's what happens when you have a real career that takes actual discipline. You *win* power games against people whose best talent is being able to smoke an entire blunt by themselves.


--------------------


Edited by Vahn421 (07/21/20 10:54 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26835882 - 07/21/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You show me antifa abducting folks off the street and I'll concede this silly assertion.
I'll be skeptical until then.

I would think it clear by now that cops in general have major problems with "actual discipline".  If they could follow their own rules, we likely wouldn't be having these protests and yet, here we are.  The fact that you think law enforcement exists for the express purpose of "winning power games" is really pretty telling.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26836120 - 07/21/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s a real shame the self appointed tyranny protectors are too busy crying about wearing masks and not being able to get a haircut. We could use them right about now.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods]
    #26836166 - 07/21/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Don't worry koods, those larpers aren't the only ones armed, they just advertise more.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,767
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 1 hour, 38 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26836247 - 07/21/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Gun control is for chumps.  Maybe in the civilized world people can rely on cops and courts to protect them but here in dumbfuckistan we have unidentified goons snatching people off the street into unmarked vans.




I guess guns are the answer, plenty of guns, guns for everyone... hey! that's a god damn number 1 smash hit right there.
More guns = more suicides more homicides, it's probably worth it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechristopera
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,201
Last seen: 1 hour, 1 minute
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] * 3
    #26836265 - 07/21/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

People outside the US just don’t get it, we have so much love for our people we in many cases are literally prepping to fight them. It’s quintessential compassion and empathy. Sure we could just take care of each other with things like decent health care and living wages, but that would make us less free and we don’t like that.


--------------------
Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things

I’m sorry it had to be me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26836373 - 07/21/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Those are laudable goals and not incompatible with firearm ownership.  Like I said, just because the right-wing dipshits scream loudest doesn't mean they have any sort of monopoly on firearms in the U.S.

@ Stable Genius - I get your point but believe the data to support it to be dubious at best.  Without starting a long back and forth, I would encourage you to search for any of several long discussions I've had with koods about this.  It turns out that homicides dropped by comparable rates throughout the western world from 1996 to 2016 or so, regardless of relative levels of firearms restriction.  Countries that started  the period with higher rates ended with higher rates but the percentage decline was similar across the board.  Additionally, in the U.S., homicide rates continued to decline for several years after the assault weapons ban of the 90's expired and even with the subsequent uptick remain at near historical lows.  These things imply that said declines in homicides had their genesis in something other than firearms restrictions.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,767
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 1 hour, 38 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26836433 - 07/21/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All good my friends.
As I’m sure you’re aware guns are available here, for sport or property owners... they’re just harder to get your hands on these days.
So what’s the answer to less shootings? More guns or less guns or the amount of guns don’t really matter? 
I know we live in a bubble over here, just asking.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] * 4
    #26836503 - 07/21/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly, more effective and efficient distribution of available resources is the solution to many if not most of these seemingly unrelated societal ills.  People are animals and act as such when the pressures of survival dictate.  This is good to some degree but unfortunately we haven't evolved such that our physiological responses to the environment can distinguish the difference between the existential threat of being eaten and the existential threat of being evicted and jobless.  The result is most modern people living in a constant state of flight or fight response and with the resulting elevated cortisol levels without even realizing it.  This in turn perpetuates the stress response.  Much of this behavior that we would all like to curb so much ultimately goes back to the repercussions of perceived scarcity. 

Now before qman chimes in to mention that scarcity is real and will likely never be eliminated, I want to preemptively respond by saying "yes it is and no it probably won't."  That being said, much of scarcity, worldwide, is manufactured.  It is a feature of structuring our economic and political ideologies around profit motive.

Now, before Enlil chimes in to mention that profit motive has thus far been the most efficient means of reducing scarcity and that any economic system that doesn't account for human greed is fantasyland talk, I want to preemptively agree with the second part of the statement I imagine he might make.  It is important to account for human greed in economics and politics.  The mistake the world has been making is in structuring itself primarily around greed and rewarding it above all. 

Now before someone else chimes in to mention that, hey, greed is natural and good, I would like to point out that in most cases, people are defined primarily by behavioral traits other than greed.  Nobody is free of it completely but neither does it dominate most folk's personal belief systems.  By this token, it shouldn't be the defining feature of our society either.

Ok, that's all the anticipatory arguing I'll do in this post


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26836516 - 07/21/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The difficulty in getting away with crime is also probably linked to the reduction in homicide as years go on


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26836532 - 07/21/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Probably.  Many mechanisms have been proposed.  The Freakonomics guy suggested that abortion access expansion for the mothers of the generation coming of age during the time period in question had a direct effect on crime of all sorts


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,767
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 1 hour, 38 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26836593 - 07/21/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wow man, kudos for tapping that response out, makes a lot of sense.
Are you sure you’re a plumber?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26836627 - 07/21/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Compliment accepted, though I would say that plumbers and electricians trend towards the upper end of intellectualism insofar as such a thing exists among construction workers.  :heytherebadboy:

That was my trade for many years but now I do management stuff in the hemp/cbd and hand sanitizer industries.

I'm just a guy who reads stuff and is often too lazy anymore to put in the work of citing a bunch of studies and whatnot.
It's a pretty stark contrast between my posts these days and my 2015 posts.  I used to bury people with information but that took a lot of time.  I was a student/part time aquarium store guy then so I had time to spend a few hours researching a single post. The GMO labeling thread exchange with Enlil (and others) was a classic and cemented my respect for his lawyerly ways. Luckily, most of these discussions are reboots of debates past so now I just refer people to the search engine, lol.


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStable Genius
Durka durka
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/18
Posts: 5,767
Loc: Durkadurkastan
Last seen: 1 hour, 38 minutes
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #26836668 - 07/21/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, much respect for the people who post in this forum, it certainly helps with my TDS, ‘cause I’ve got it bad.
I’m off to crawl through a roof but will sign off with my favourite plumber joke.
Where most people just smell shit, plumbers smell money.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleballsalsaMDiscord
Universally Loathed and Reviled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,837
Loc: Foreign Lands
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #26836673 - 07/21/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All you need to know to be a plumber:
1) shit flows downhill
2) payday is Friday
3) don't bite your fingernails


--------------------


Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVahn421
Awakening Moonlighter
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/03/12
Posts: 2,162
Loc: Portland
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26836702 - 07/21/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

ballsalsa said:
You show me antifa abducting folks off the street and I'll concede this silly assertion.
I'll be skeptical until then.

I would think it clear by now that cops in general have major problems with "actual discipline".  If they could follow their own rules, we likely wouldn't be having these protests and yet, here we are.  The fact that you think law enforcement exists for the express purpose of "winning power games" is really pretty telling.




In the real world we call it, "arresting" someone for breaking the law.

Most cops do follow the rules, the ones that don't need to be weeded out and eradicated, but it's not *intrinsic* of a police force to have some corruption within it, rather it's intrinsic for any force that gets powerful enough to have corruption in it, period.

"Power" is a conversation for another day but for now I'll say, in the end that's really all one has to enforce their will. Good ideas and a structure that benefits the whole usually results in more power as a whole. The American military as an example is as strong as it is because its citizens are as strong as they are, both in mind and soul.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,499
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836714 - 07/21/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Most cops don't get in trouble for breaking the rules. That's not the same as following the rules.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 58 seconds
Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26836721 - 07/21/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The American military as an example is as strong as it is because its citizens are as strong as they are, both in mind and soul.



If we’ve learned anything in the past five months is that the American people are pretty fucking pathetic


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* The False Promise of Gun Control
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 3,767 23 04/16/03 05:53 PM
by pattern
* 40 Reasons For Gun Control
( 1 2 all )
Ellis Dee 5,887 31 10/08/13 02:05 AM
by Therian
* gun control
( 1 2 3 4 ... 11 12 all )
Anonymous 15,355 223 10/08/03 12:45 AM
by Rose
* Test your knowledge of gun control:
( 1 2 3 all )
Ellis Dee 5,582 45 09/14/01 06:14 PM
by wingnutx
* Whither Gun Control? luvdemshrooms 1,428 12 05/23/04 07:23 AM
by Xlea321
* Gun Control
( 1 2 3 all )
Andytweed 3,682 44 01/29/03 03:35 AM
by RandalFlagg
* Gun control part #666 PjS 1,394 7 12/30/01 09:26 PM
by nugsarenice
* Gun Control, does it work?
( 1 2 3 all )
Granola 3,713 46 12/25/03 05:50 AM
by luvdemshrooms

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
1,109 topic views. 1 members, 6 guests and 5 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.043 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 12 queries.