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Reopening schools
    #26826833 - 07/16/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It will be the biggest factor that keeps the rona chugging along

what are your suggestions to mitigate the spread

especially in florida, texas, california


I say, outdoor classes, first order of business


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26826837 - 07/16/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is a microbiology forum after all :shrug:


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26826842 - 07/16/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I say, outdoor classes, first order of business




Excellent idea.  This home school thang just ain't working.  I feel that so many students didn't do the work that they were supposed to and that many were passed on to the next grade even tho they shirked their responsibilities.  Also, some parents are horrible teachers.  Just one more step into idiocracy.



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: Dilsnique] * 1
    #26826856 - 07/16/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No way you could do it outdoors. kids be, crazy imagine 500 kids in the PE area sitting in the sun baking their ass off. it would be impossible to keep their attention... schools go back to normal or there is no school only 2 options. I did at home learning for 3 months... my kids took 3 hours crying n screaming to do one 10 min assignment... might work for 5th grade +... but no way 1st-3rd grade could do this. they only learn when there is competition.

Home schooling isn't a option unless they are going to pay us the teachers salary to off set lost profit from work.

in 7 years my family has never watched my kids they are useless, maybe rich ppl that can pay others to teach and watch kids, or do house work so parents can teach kids, just no freaking way it is going to work out for about 80% of us.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26826862 - 07/16/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Really no clue.

Just brainstorming but it might help to have teachers, especially older or at risk ones, design the curriculum, grade homework, upload lectures and stuff, and have younger teacher assistants actually work with the kids in the classrooms. Maybe have smaller cohort groups of students/staff that go through all the classes together, so if one gets sick they can quarantine that whole cohort. Could do longer days and less days per week to alter how many people are in the building at one time and keep the different cohorts away from eachother, maybe allow a masked recess outdoors where the different cohorts could see each other. Distancing as much as possible, utilizing conference halls, libraries and other buildings for more distancing, outdoor class/activity when possible, daily temp checks and nurse checkups if they have any symptoms.

Colleges should probably all be online only except smaller labs and clinical if needed, high school could get away with hybrid programs that limit bigger groups being together.

Ultimately I think that teachers unions have enough older and at risk people in them that we'll see a lot of school systems throughout the country switching to remote for a while.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: feevers]
    #26826869 - 07/16/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

all of these approaches need to be tailored to the district and the levels of implementation can be standardized nationally to coordinate a response

you cant have a school district that has all classes outside all the time, but having half the students outside on a nice day will greatly reduce the spread, and it can be done

parents should be encouraged to home school and classes should be reduced, or split into an AM/PM system


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26826878 - 07/16/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

People wanting schools back to normal like



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #26826879 - 07/16/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's a good point about home schooling. That could actually help with unemployment and the pandemic at the same time, if somehow the government could pay out a weekly stipend to parents who home school their kids until it's safe to go back, kinda similar to what they do if you're the primary caregiver for a disabled family member. If schools don't go back in person there will be a ton of parents who will need to stay home with the kids and can't go to work. Going to be endless lose lose decisions for awhile.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: feevers]
    #26826896 - 07/16/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26826898 - 07/16/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump said this is a war with an invisible enemy. Try that fucker for war crimes.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #26826923 - 07/16/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Legitimate federal guidance based on science would be a good start.
Major state and local funding would help, too.

And send tRump and that dumb bitch Betsy DeVos to an extended covid party.

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Re: Reopening schools [Re: vinsue]
    #26826928 - 07/16/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

indeed the federal government and politicians across the board want poor people to die and education to end



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26826947 - 07/16/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

just started listening to this podcast

but utilizing dead commercial space from the pandemic is a great idea he pushed


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26826960 - 07/16/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I say, outdoor classes, first order of business




Excellent idea.  This home school thang just ain't working.  I feel that so many students didn't do the work that they were supposed to and that many were passed on to the next grade even tho they shirked their responsibilities.  Also, some parents are horrible teachers.  Just one more step into idiocracy.





Much better idea then business as usual


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26827006 - 07/16/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If they reopen schools with no changes or safety precautions it will be disastrous kids will die and especially the parents when they go home can die. Also it's not a binary choice of do we open schools are doing that open schools just like opening the country we need to do it safely or else people will die and we will have to shut the schools down anyway


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26827250 - 07/16/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods] * 1
    #26827257 - 07/16/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What about thoughts and prayers??


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    #26827258 - 07/16/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Breeder problems




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Re: Reopening schools [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26827281 - 07/16/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Doll is calm just un fill out form in the end your Getty


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    #26827295 - 07/16/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

At some point we're all going to get it. I don't see any point in avoiding it.

I already had it. It wasn't shit. It felt like I was hungover for a week, and I had a dry cough that hung on for another week or so.

I thought I saw an article yesterday, where they did a bunch of random testing in some Florida city, and estimated that 1/3 of kids already had it.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827301 - 07/16/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Undersi do you have there number cos it's going to discuss I'm your get togip


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    #26827312 - 07/16/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827319 - 07/16/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Breeder problems




ok weezy :lol:

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At some point we're all going to get it. I don't see any point in avoiding it.

I already had it. It wasn't shit. It felt like I was hungover for a week, and I had a dry cough that hung on for another week or so.

I thought I saw an article yesterday, where they did a bunch of random testing in some Florida city, and estimated that 1/3 of kids already had it.




9.8

all the other countries shut it down

its much harder to avoid now that your states are siding with the federal government


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26827324 - 07/16/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is Niel going to have a shovel for his brain day is ha get a life nat it's eas


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827417 - 07/16/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds made up.

DC has a antibody positivity rate of 6%, and these are people who are self selecting to get tested. The true positivity rate in the city is likely half that. This country is only ~5% of the way through this. Letting the other 95% get infected would be an economic catastrophe.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827418 - 07/16/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

not to mention impossible


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827422 - 07/16/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds made up.

DC has a antibody positivity rate of 6%, and these are people who are self selecting to get tested. The true positivity rate in the city is likely half that. This country is only ~5% of the way through this. Letting the other 95% get infected would be an economic catastrophe.




https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

This was in April. Who knows how many have it now.

I don't think they really know how many people have had it. If I hadn't lost my sense of smell and taste, I wouldn't even have bothered to get tested. :shrug:


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26827428 - 07/16/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The refrigeratored container trucks for the dead bodies are now outside Texas hospitals.

The number of people hospitalized in the US is now back to the level it was in April. Expect daily deaths to creep back up to 2000 over the next week or two


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827434 - 07/16/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds made up.

DC has a antibody positivity rate of 6%, and these are people who are self selecting to get tested. The true positivity rate in the city is likely half that. This country is only ~5% of the way through this. Letting the other 95% get infected would be an economic catastrophe.




https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

This was in April. Who knows how many have it now.

I don't think they really know how many people have had it. If I hadn't lost my sense of smell and taste, I wouldn't even have bothered to get tested. :shrug:




Completely useless data. Non randomized sample of people who sought out testing. You cannot make any inferences from it and certainly cannot extrapolate the results for the entire population.

The Spanish serosurvey is probably the best overview of a population we have. 5% positivity rate nationwide. Eight times as many infections as the official case count. 33% asymptomatic. CFR 1.2%


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827437 - 07/16/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Healy until the process big chest it's getting insanely busy international is plastic


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827438 - 07/16/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

ur really gunna believe a story with the headline "coumo says"


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827439 - 07/16/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Sounds made up.

DC has a antibody positivity rate of 6%, and these are people who are self selecting to get tested. The true positivity rate in the city is likely half that. This country is only ~5% of the way through this. Letting the other 95% get infected would be an economic catastrophe.




https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

This was in April. Who knows how many have it now.

I don't think they really know how many people have had it. If I hadn't lost my sense of smell and taste, I wouldn't even have bothered to get tested. :shrug:




Completely useless data. Non randomized sample of people who sought out testing. You cannot make any inferences from it and certainly cannot extrapolate the results for the entire population.




I don't know how they were going about it, but...

>ALBANY, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that the number of statewide random antibody tests has expanded to 7,500, which reveals a better picture of the extent of coronavirus spread in New York.


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    #26827445 - 07/16/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Healy until the process big chest it's getting insanely busy international is plastic




Yep it's super busy for sure, that's why I always thought that we should've went with domestic plastic as opposed to international.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827449 - 07/16/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

They advertised testing on the radio. That’s fine, but in terms of getting concrete epidemiological data, it’s pretty useless.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827451 - 07/16/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

im getting tested a few times a day :shrug:


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    #26827453 - 07/16/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe. I don't think we can just assume that they don't know how to conduct a study though. Proper samplings are certainly happening.

Here's a random one I just googled.

https://fsph.iupui.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-random-sample-study.html

>After analyzing the results of Phase 2 testing in comparison to the results of the first phase that took place in late April, IUPUI researchers determined that the statewide estimate for active infection rate was 0.6 percent -- a sharp decrease from the 1.7 percent observed in Phase 1. The estimate for antibody positivity in Phase 2 was 1.5 percent -- an increase from 1.1 percent in the Phase 1 results.

It just doesn't seem productive to place restrictions intent for places like NYC, on people in Indiana where they're not piled on top of each other and cramming into subways.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827456 - 07/16/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

which is why there need to be federal zones based on population density


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    #26827458 - 07/16/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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which is why there need to be federal zones based on population density




Nice try secret Fema shill. I'm on to you!  :tinfoil:


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827465 - 07/16/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

id like to hear some more suggestions :congrats:


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    #26827492 - 07/16/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It seems like masks, and hygiene were enough to avoid any major issues is several countries.

I think our problems are cultural, and I don't know of any government programs that can help with that. I wish I had the answer. Kill the useless? :shrug:


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827498 - 07/16/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

unfortunately that is the opposite of whats happening now

useless workers got unemployment, essentials are being killed


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26827502 - 07/16/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The vaccine is progressing rapidly. If we wait just 5 more months, we'll probably just be able to vaccine everyone. A lost year sucks, but the vaccine is so close that it might be silly to reopen when we could just wait a little bit longer. It would suck to have people die when we're months away from a vaccine.

Don't get me wrong, I actually want schools to reopen ASAP, but the vaccine is progressing much more rapidly than I would have anticipated.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827505 - 07/16/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe. I don't think we can just assume that they don't know how to conduct a study though. Proper samplings are certainly happening.

Here's a random one I just googled.

https://fsph.iupui.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-random-sample-study.html

>After analyzing the results of Phase 2 testing in comparison to the results of the first phase that took place in late April, IUPUI researchers determined that the statewide estimate for active infection rate was 0.6 percent -- a sharp decrease from the 1.7 percent observed in Phase 1. The estimate for antibody positivity in Phase 2 was 1.5 percent -- an increase from 1.1 percent in the Phase 1 results.

It just doesn't seem productive to place restrictions intent for places like NYC, on people in Indiana where they're not piled on top of each other and cramming into subways.




Public transport is a problem. Population density isn’t really as important as you’d think. In ways the virus would have an easier time ravaging a rural town than a big city.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: nooneman]
    #26827507 - 07/16/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26827511 - 07/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Who cares who “wins the race” what a stupid way to think about it. Successful vaccine technology will be shared.


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827515 - 07/16/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

obviously the publishers care


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827524 - 07/16/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The vaccine is progressing rapidly. If we wait just 5 more months, we'll probably just be able to vaccine everyone. A lost year sucks, but the vaccine is so close that it might be silly to reopen when we could just wait a little bit longer. It would suck to have people die when we're months away from a vaccine.

Don't get me wrong, I actually want schools to reopen ASAP, but the vaccine is progressing much more rapidly than I would have anticipated.



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Who cares who “wins the race” what a stupid way to think about it. Successful vaccine technology will be shared.




I just read this article today, about how Russian hackers are trying to steal research, which begs the question, why isn't it just publicly available? The obvious answer being, that whoever develops it is going to profit massively.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/politics/vaccine-hacking-russia.html


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26827550 - 07/16/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody is going to care about patents. I doubt the first vaccine will even come out of the US.


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    #26827558 - 07/16/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Nobody is going to care about patents. I doubt the first vaccine will even come out of the US.




I mean, it seems like they care about it now, otherwise, research would just be shared, right?


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    #26827585 - 07/16/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

we are going to get a half vaccine that makes things worse :shrug:


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: cannabinated]
    #26827590 - 07/16/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Still empty hospitals here :shrug: probably hasn't hit us yet or something


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Re: Reopening schools [Re: koods]
    #26827646 - 07/16/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/

:taco:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45939514

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Who cares who “wins the race” what a stupid way to think about it. Successful vaccine technology will be shared.




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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

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Re: Reopening schools [Re: HamHead]
    #26827650 - 07/16/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm probably going to keep my 4 year old home from preschool. It breaks my heart.


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