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    #26819218 - 07/12/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I recently posted a bunch of anti-Trump stuff here in this Political Discussion area of Shroomery. I was called out to provide proof of my arguments. And I wasn't very effective at that. I was mad at first but realized the others were correct. I'm still disgusted with Trump but appreciate the "truth police" for ensuring a member's position is supported by facts. Hard to write this but those guys are correct.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26820058 - 07/12/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's hard to do, so :toast:

Welcome to future good discussions here in the political forum.  You'll soon learn who the die-hard make believers are.  :smirk:


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26821429 - 07/13/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yep there are some clever cookies here, I play catch up all the time. It also helps with my TDS, 'cause I got it bad! (I blame my tv)

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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Stable Genius] * 2
    #26821618 - 07/13/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You got off easy, my TV gave me AIDS.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26826097 - 07/15/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

if only people would be more open minded.  The hardest thing to do in life can be to admit you were wrong and accept the consequences.

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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: meltdowner]
    #26826168 - 07/16/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump does a lot of stupid shit, even the majority of his supporters agree, but he's done SO much right the media refuses to ever run stories on. It's hard to get it right with Trump. Religious pastors of the past only read certain portions of the bible to create their ideology and it wasn't until the people got their hands on the book themselves that they started going, "wait a minute... this is bullshit. This is not at ALL what it says when you read it in its full context."

So it is with the media and Trump in modern times. You really have to dig. They don't make it easy.

And speaking of the media, the other thing we usually all agree on as Trump supporters is we love watching them, Hollywood, and the most corrupt politicians collectively squirm. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if the most evil and corrupt institutions in America all collectively hate you, you gotta be doing something right.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26826495 - 07/16/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Can you list 5 things he's done right?


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26826689 - 07/16/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I could copy and paste a list of 200 things, but I'm going to take a different route as many of them have A: been temporarily negated by coronavirus because they were economy related or B: people will say it was just the aftermath of Obama. (If you want a list that big, just google "Trump Accomplishments.") The truth is, unemployment was at a historic low before March, 400,000 manufacturing jobs had been created in our nation, and more blacks and women were employed (including in political positions) than ever before. Our economy was BOOMING.

Also, I'm sure things like lower taxes, tightening national security (the wall) and circumventing the CDC (as of yesterday) are not "accomplishments" to everyone and setbacks to some. (Not me. I'm glad for all of these things.) So I'll go ahead and list 5 things we can all agree one.

#1: Have you seen the drone footage floating around in the last day or two of Chinese authorities gathering up Uyghur Muslims in their country, binding them and blindfolding them and marching them away? Reddit suck's China's tit so people were complaining the video kept getting taken down on their site. Of course China doesn't want the world to know about this. You know what Trump signed into law a few months ago that the media didn't highlight or recognize at all? Now you know.

#2: Executive Order Combating Human Trafficking This is just one of many steps the Trump administration has taken to combat human trafficking as I pointed out in another thread, more arrests have occurred under Trump's administration than any president before him, ever. (13,500 arrests so far in 3 years and counting.) Here is a link to the full archive and here is another link to its parent site, which has some AWESOME documents one can dig through

#3: Unprecedented relations with North Korea. An easing of tensions. Meditating in such a way that allowed the leaders of SK and NK to meet peacefully and step into each other's land.

#4: Trump is working on the opioid crisis in a major way. 6 billion secured to assist with this. As much as I love psychedelics and weed, I've seen non-controlled illegal opioids destroy lives.

#5: Trade deals. There have been too many to list. This was Trump's major talking point for years and years before he ran for president. How the nation is always getting ripped off by other nations and how we do too many things for free. Just as one example, we were funding the W.H.O. at more than 3x the rate China was despite having 1/5 their population. No longer, however. You could google tons of the trade deals Trump has worked on to make sure America isn't getting ripped off.

He's also taking steps to prevent online censorship (so important), to advance international religious freedom and freedom of speech, and has said on more than one occasions that he plans to tackle big pharma next and get drug prices down. He also said in one speech I had listened to that that would already be done if so much time hadn't been wasted by the dems trying to impeach him. The dems have done everything in their power to NOT cooperate with Trump even when it's a good idea. The Dems have let the nation suffer just to get back at Trump.


As a bonus and to prove this point about the dems, here's a clip of Jimmy Dore explaining how Trump just tried to get the troops out of Afghanistan but the DEMS BLOCKED Him. (Uh.... WHY!?)



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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26826731 - 07/16/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

1. Trump doesn't get credit for acts of Congress.  Sorry.
2. That EO is only a few months old. It's hard to argue it's had much effect yet.  As to other things, 13k arrests over three years is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the arrests at state level.  Federal criminal prosecution isn't really a significant percentage of prosecutions anyway.
3. Yes, he was wooed by NK's leader while NK developed nukes.  That is unprecedented.  Calling that a "good thing" is pretty absurd, though.
4. Yeah, dude...death penalty for drug dealers is a good idea:rolleyes:
5. As far as trade, he's done nothing right.  He's done everything he can to destroy trade.  I can't even begin to guess why you think he's done well on trade.

Jimmy Dore is a comic/conspiracy nutter.  Using him as a source isn't going to really win you any credibility except with Falcon


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26826771 - 07/16/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

1. You might be right on this one. I don't know how much involvement the president has aside from approving or veto-ing the law. I would assume it depends on the act being passed. At the very least, there was clearly no veto and it passed quickly.

2. Trump has been quite vocal about stopping child trafficking since he has been office. I'm quite certain his influence on the matter stretches further than we realize. Operation Underground Railroad works directly with the white house from time to time, as one example.

3. Trump did the woo-ing, he wasn't wooed. We're making progress. These things take time.

4. Not every drug is made equal. Some give us life, some destroy it. The opioid crisis is very real.

5. I don't know how you can say this, either.

Lastly, Jimmy Dore is the man. Joe Rogan, who has had 1,000 different people on his podcast, endorsed Jimmy Dore as one of the most politically aware men in America. (Comics usually are, ironically.)


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826785 - 07/16/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Rogan is an idiot.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26826792 - 07/16/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Rogan is an idiot.




He'd be the first to admit it!


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    #26826804 - 07/16/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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3. Trump did the woo-ing, he wasn't wooed. We're making progress. These things take time.





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-demolishes-liaison-office-as-tensions-rise/ar-BB15y2jn

"On Friday, North Korea said it was pulling away from its relationship with the U.S. two years after a historic handshake between Trump and Kim Jong Un in Singapore and nearly a year after Trump took an unprecedented step onto North Korean soil, saying there had been no actual improvement in ties."


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #26826824 - 07/16/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump told the Chinese he was fine if they wanted to build concentration camps for the Uighurs. He said it was the right thing to do. He also refused to sanction them about the Uighurs because he didn’t want to blow up his trade deal that still hasn’t materialized

It’s funny trump wants to run on the economy and China. His two biggest failures.

How’s that Foxconn factory in Wisconsin working out? another trump boondoggle.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Guy1980]
    #26826827 - 07/16/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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3. Trump did the woo-ing, he wasn't wooed. We're making progress. These things take time.





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-demolishes-liaison-office-as-tensions-rise/ar-BB15y2jn

"On Friday, North Korea said it was pulling away from its relationship with the U.S. two years after a historic handshake between Trump and Kim Jong Un in Singapore and nearly a year after Trump took an unprecedented step onto North Korean soil, saying there had been no actual improvement in ties."




Well that's a shame, but then there's this.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1307689/trump-wants-another-north-korea-summit-only-if-progress-is-likely-pompeo

They're still trying.

I am saddened to learn of these setbacks. I had not heard of them.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826831 - 07/16/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump told the Chinese he was fine if they wanted to build concentration camps for the Uighurs. He said it was the right thing to do. He also refused to sanction them about the Uighurs because he didn’t want to blow up his trade deal that still hasn’t materialized




That is hearsay out of one book where one man claims Trump said that. Every media outlet decided it was good enough to report on. (Dishonest.)


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826840 - 07/16/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's not any more hearsay than anything else posted here.  If we're going down the hearsay rabbit hole, we should at least acknowledge that every time anyone posts an article, video, or anything that isn't from the poster's personal knowledge, that's hearsay.



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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: koods]
    #26826852 - 07/16/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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3. Trump did the woo-ing, he wasn't wooed. We're making progress. These things take time.




North Korea has been trying to get a meeting with a US president for decades. Trump was the first one to give in.

We’re not making progresss. We’re letting N.Korea build more nukes and missiles.h


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: koods] * 1
    #26826887 - 07/16/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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North Korea has been trying to get a meeting with a US president for decades Trump was the first one to give in.





"Give in?"

I find that absurd.


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Re: Ass handed to me [Re: Vahn421]
    #26826943 - 07/16/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, literally the plan has been to hold out on NK until they agree to come to the table with some reasonable level of willingness to negotiate. What Trump has done is gone to the table basically to stoke his ego, and now NK is saying that they aren’t interested in speaking with the US. They turned the tables on Trump. NK also officially called trump a “dotard” which is absolutely hilarious, because it’s true.


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