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The focus on breaths during a trip
    #26826005 - 07/15/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I realize that for me at least, breathing cease to become an automatic function at the onset of the trip. Like the conscious mind is being forced to take over the breathing function. And sometimes, things felt so good I didn't even bother to draw that air in. In fact, it felt like things intensify in between breaths. Seems like oxygen deprivation has an effect here. I'm not sure what, or if its a good or bad effect.

Anyway, I tried doing controlled breathing, taking deep breaths, hold it in for a bit and release slowly from about 15 mins into drinking my tea (1.5g sub), lying down. Within 10 mins, I could feel the effect kicking in slowly. I continued the controlled breathing for another minute or two and off I went. The whole take off was very smooth and fast. Skipped the whole forced-to-take-over-breathing phase.

Anyone tried this before?


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26826070 - 07/15/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think that's just the anxiety kicking in. I haven't had that sensation for a while now.

Breathing like that does keep your brain at a highly oxygenated which keeps those pesky anxiety chemicals at bay. People sing which does the same. There's plenty of techniques that work.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26826256 - 07/16/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Controlled breathing is probably a good way to deal with the anxiety of coming up on mushrooms, just be sure not to overdo it. If you overdo it, you can easily end up worse than not doing it. Just relax, and take it easy.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: nooneman]
    #26826462 - 07/16/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26826470 - 07/16/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.




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Weirdly enough, I don't have strange breathing sensations until the tail end of the peak. Then it feels like my throat is a little tight. But then again, I have not taken larger doses than 3.5g so I don't know what that has in store for me.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26826830 - 07/16/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My breathing only tends to become problematic, like I can’t get enough air, when I’ve been in the peak for a while, nd then the come up starts again! They’re, “reality tearing apart” trips!

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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26827121 - 07/16/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

2 gms golden teacher at the art gallery with social distancing and masks on full time mostly just bugged my hips and lower back - because of weather change (rainy here). breathing worked ok.

squatting stretched out those muscles nicely but I think it looked weird to gallery goers.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26827189 - 07/16/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I get the sort of forgetting to breathe thing going on too, or at least I perceive this happening. Doing deep breathes for a bit does help and most of the time it seems not to bother me after the initial moments.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26827808 - 07/16/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.




I was convinced that breathing is a skill that I need to work on since 15 years ago. Somehow, I have failed to fix it. Once i take my mind off it, I'll fall back into short breaths.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26827814 - 07/16/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.




:whathesaid:

Weirdly enough, I don't have strange breathing sensations until the tail end of the peak. Then it feels like my throat is a little tight. But then again, I have not taken larger doses than 3.5g so I don't know what that has in store for me.




For me, it isn't tight throat. Just my lungs being lazy and refusing to work without instructions.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26827819 - 07/16/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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My breathing only tends to become problematic, like I can’t get enough air, when I’ve been in the peak for a while, nd then the come up starts again! They’re, “reality tearing apart” trips!

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I wonder if other people experience this as well. It's like our brain wanted oxygen deprivation so that it will be hit again.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: MindMeower]
    #26827828 - 07/16/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I get the sort of forgetting to breathe thing going on too, or at least I perceive this happening. Doing deep breathes for a bit does help and most of the time it seems not to bother me after the initial moments.




I am curious if this is a common experience. Or just for newbies. That's why I posted it here. Wonder how many people share our experience?


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26827854 - 07/16/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

When tripping, I breath like I’m smoking a pipe of tobacco.  Like I’m a scuba diver taking drags off his rebreather.  It’s a fascinating element to the trip.

Blissed out, laying on my back relaxed while staring up at the sky and inhaling & exhaling this mysterious substance that keeps us all alive 1 breath at a time - predict, reflect, perceive.

Truly trippy.



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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: 3some]
    #26827940 - 07/16/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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In fact, it felt like things intensify in between breaths.




I believe this is true. When I'm trying to go deep and may have not taken a high enough dose I can start to see visions by holding my breath. Then when I breath I transition back to normal reality. I think is the total silence of not breathing vs any lack of oxygen or CO2 buildup.

This is taking very long slow breaths and just stopping for several seconds between breaths. Not holding my breath till I'm in distress.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: Hush]
    #26827948 - 07/16/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Edit,

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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26827985 - 07/16/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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When tripping, I breath like I’m smoking a pipe of tobacco.  Like I’m a scuba diver taking drags off his rebreather.  It’s a fascinating element to the trip.

Blissed out, laying on my back relaxed while staring up at the sky and inhaling & exhaling this mysterious substance that keeps us all alive 1 breath at a time - predict, reflect, perceive.

Truly trippy.






Fuck. That's exactly it. SCUBA DIVING. OMFG! That's exacly what it felt like.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26828003 - 07/16/20 11:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:cool:

I find each breath sensitively & inextricably linked to the experiences of body & mind - and how they present in each instant of every moment.
How about you?


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26828010 - 07/16/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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:cool:

I find each breath sensitively & inextricably linked to the experiences of body & mind - and how they present in each instant of every moment.
How about you?




Only at the onset of a trip. Once it is well underway, breath is out of focus again.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26828013 - 07/16/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The last few posts have given me inspiration for some concept art.... smoking, breathing air, tripping, the body, scuba diving, meat suits, etc etc....I’ll try and draw something that wraps it all into one thing to convey the experience & feeling when I get a chance.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26828227 - 07/17/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.




I was convinced that breathing is a skill that I need to work on since 15 years ago. Somehow, I have failed to fix it. Once i take my mind off it, I'll fall back into short breaths.




it's a skill for babies,
it does not require "deep" breaths,
just continuity and connection for your mind


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26828427 - 07/17/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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3some said:
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redgreenvines said:
control is a fallacy but intentionally following your breathing is always good, not just for tripping.

i mean it is way better for tripping if you do it regularly because then it is not about control at all - it is who you are.

it's always best if you can fall back on your natural habits.




I was convinced that breathing is a skill that I need to work on since 15 years ago. Somehow, I have failed to fix it. Once i take my mind off it, I'll fall back into short breaths.




it's a skill for babies,
it does not require "deep" breaths,
just continuity and connection for your mind




Deep... :grin:


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: 3some]
    #26829655 - 07/17/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

let it be easy, let it be.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: Hush]
    #26829960 - 07/17/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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In fact, it felt like things intensify in between breaths.




I believe this is true. When I'm trying to go deep and may have not taken a high enough dose I can start to see visions by holding my breath. Then when I breath I transition back to normal reality. I think is the total silence of not breathing vs any lack of oxygen or CO2 buildup.

This is taking very long slow breaths and just stopping for several seconds between breaths. Not holding my breath till I'm in distress.




Happens to me too! It feels like I get closer to ego death when I hold my breath.

I understand that that isn't the true path though...


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: microbiome88]
    #26835371 - 07/21/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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3some said:
In fact, it felt like things intensify in between breaths.




I believe this is true. When I'm trying to go deep and may have not taken a high enough dose I can start to see visions by holding my breath. Then when I breath I transition back to normal reality. I think is the total silence of not breathing vs any lack of oxygen or CO2 buildup.

This is taking very long slow breaths and just stopping for several seconds between breaths. Not holding my breath till I'm in distress.




Happens to me too! It feels like I get closer to ego death when I hold my breath.

I understand that that isn't the true path though...




What true path? What did I miss?


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: 3some]
    #26835391 - 07/21/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

His own.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: 3some]
    #26835451 - 07/21/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

the one true path is a romanticization of what we are doing here.

mix some Arthurian legend with Star Wars and Dune and there are all sorts of one true paths, celestial meaning, and astrological destiny.

I do not recommend that scale of taking oneself so seriously even if you are Napoleon.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26835749 - 07/21/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This weekend I'm going to go on a little trip across something and I'm going to paint using oil paints for the first time. Since I can't post a new thread I'll do it later. But would I would like to get the community involved in posting art we've done while tripping.

  I'm going to set up the canvass and accessories up before I dose. And we,LL see what I make. Hell or high water what comes out comes out and I'll post it.

  I like those concepts of breathing, scuba diving, and meat sack. Maybe we can have a theme and see the cryptomnesia unfold.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26836716 - 07/21/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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What true path? What did I miss?




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the one true path is a romanticization of what we are doing here.

mix some Arthurian legend with Star Wars and Dune and there are all sorts of one true paths, celestial meaning, and astrological destiny.

I do not recommend that scale of taking oneself so seriously even if you are Napoleon.





Sorry, my use of the term "path" was lazy. Specifically, what I meant that it is unlikely that you are going to be able to let go of your ego (even that I presume is an act of volition) if you are focussing on an action such as holding your breath. You use of your frontal lobe in this way is contradictory/counter-productive to the efforts being made by the psilocybin to "turn the volume down" from your frontal lobe as it were.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12763007/

I hope that makes sense. Again, this is the perspective of a shroom-noob.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: microbiome88]
    #26836799 - 07/21/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The act of holding your breathe goes against your natural state of being. Breathing does not. We are talking about difficult moments during the trip.  I'm not sure what you mean actually.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26837084 - 07/21/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would only do breath holding as training for scuba diving.
breathing naturally is way better.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: 3some]
    #26837131 - 07/21/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've never had this kind of thing happen.  Breathing is always just breathing and requires no thought to accomplish. :thataintright:

But when I was schizoid I would wake up sometime convinced that my heart had stopped beating.  Maybe the same kind of thing...


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26837441 - 07/22/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Did anyone here ever over-breathe on the come up to the point that the bronchi closed up? I had this happen on 3.5g in tea and still haven't come back to that particular batch of shrooms.
Normally my allergy symptoms are really mild and my lungs are not affected at all but this was scary. Anxiety is one thing but a hard time breathing was worrying enough for me to take a benzo. I came down and had no more problems.

The research I could do on this lead me to believe it was simply hyperventilation that caused this. I tried to take long deep breaths but my perception may have fooled me there. I also get what others described that they seemingly forget to breathe. This may simply be a problem with the perception of time.
Anyways I can confirm that breathing is weird on shrooms and I also had it on other tryptamines, don't remember having that on phens or LSD.


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Re: The focus on breaths during a trip [Re: LittleBoard]
    #26837523 - 07/22/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

unless you are trained in pranayama, just breathe normally,

to trip better, follow your breath, meaning, just be aware of it, do not try to control it.

we usually forget about breathing but it is always on-going, and that is something marvelous, refreshing, and supportive to tap into while tripping or whenever.


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Re: Taking Deep Breaths to prepare for the trip [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26838888 - 07/22/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is it a sub conscious thing.

You have given up control by deciding to trip on mushies.

So your mind looks for something it can take control of your breath. It puts that at the fore front of you tripped out mind?


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