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Come up Closed Eye Visuals
    #26823482 - 07/14/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hello ladies and gentlemen,

I’ve noticed a particular theme with mushrooms and with come up CEVs.

I know when the mushrooms are working. I don’t mean when you start to feel those funny sensations in your body. No I mean the next phase when you close your eyes and suddenly that blind blank black space behind your eyelids becomes full of colour, shapes, and themes.

It always seems stronger at the start, too.

Would you mind sharing with me your mushroom come up closed eye visuals?

I tend to see the following:

- swirling vortex; could be faces, creatures, or just phenomena
- circles of people, often of different colours. Like the umpalumpas from Willy Wonka.
- snakes, eyes, lizards, fractals, geometric patterns. Somehow alive and moving towards me, generally in arcs.
- like I am the camera in an endoscope, that is pushed down a patient’s throat. You see the flesh coming towards you as it is spread apart by the camera. This is the hardest to face, for me; it can feel like you’re goi g to be suffocated if you keep your eyes closed!

Especially during the come up, I often find myself laughing to myself, more for self-comfort, while opening my eyes......that I don’t NEED to have my eyes closed.

After years of this shit, I know it can’t hurt me, but it always is really intimidating.

What are your thoughts.

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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26823487 - 07/14/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Centipede/EeL like huge parasitic looking wormy terrifying bacterial looking things.  That was the worst the most insidious / darkest I’ve seen - just counting the initial visuals near the come up - but the trip was great. 

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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26823573 - 07/14/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm one of those people who is permanently on level 3 on this scale :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination

Normally I see sort blobs of color moving around without any real distinct shapes but on mushrooms I begin to see proper fractal patterns with vivid color rather than sort of dull ones and I sometimes see actual objects form too, usually something I am actually thinking of. Music begins to also have dramatic effect on the patterns, rather than just affecting them a little like in my normal state.

I haven't really tried to explore the closed eyes state during trips, it is in my todo list to do so though, particularly with music involved ~


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26823583 - 07/14/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

hmm my closed eye visuals during come-up are very varied. I am also not able to control them entirely, like "they" choose whatever form they want to take and I can maybe navigate through themes if I focus very hard.

I've seen:
-plants, leaves, vines, trees, jungles, etc.
-Faces, sometimes like samurai masks, sometimes like clowns or sharp-toothed goblins, they usually take a red tint when I feel they are "menacing", otherwise they are whatever color I think about.
-Animal furs or feathers, sometimes mixed with plants as well.
-Tribal-looking people. Can't really tell if they represent some specific ethnic group or population. (Sorry if my wording isn't correct on this subject, English is my second language)
-Eyes. Animal eyes sometimes as well.
-Spirals and fractals. Not geometric/kaleidoscopic patterns though
-unintelligible blobs of flesh that morph into any of the above. Not scary but really a head-scratcher if you try to make any sense out of them

What I've noticed too is that the amount of light from the outside hitting my eyelids affects the color and how vivid the visuals are. Because most of my trips have been outside during daytime, these CEVs were never so vivid for myself to ever think they could pose a threat. They do pique my curiosity because I wonder WHY am I seeing them. I sometimes get hold of a parallel thought or memory that I can assume might have triggered a special subset of visuals. Kind of like dream interpretation I guess?

Anyhow, for me personally, these visuals stop being so important once the body and ego dissolution sets in.


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: jomanda1990]
    #26823652 - 07/14/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'll second that:

  Hmmm, mine are also varied but I can shortly account one.


  I had eaten 4g for the first time. The anxiety, was rising and rising. I felt as if I was struggling to breathe; every breathe created more anxiety. I was on the verge of freaking the fuck out. I thought, I poisoned my self, I took too much, IM FUCKING DYING. I quickly gathered my thoughts about how the dose is not close to lethal and of course their the correct mushrooms. And I thought, "well if I'm dying then this it and nothing I can do now."

  I had my eyes closed. All I could see is black. Then a white light appeared. It got close fast, it was a light bulb in a hanging lamp. All that was illuminated was just under this light and I found my self standing across from something that looked like a person. They were in the fedal position experiencing terror. I myself was not worried at all but I felt this other thing radiating the exact same feelings I had moments ago. I thought that this thing which I perceived as me was being pathetic for letting those fears cripple it/me. I saw what those things made me. I crouched down and said "it's alright, come on."  I snapped back into my room at that moment.

Edit: my gf told me that I was groaning like I was having an intense dream.

Also side note. People want to say this shit is fun? Holy hell once you get in there it's more like putting pants on in a burning bush during a hurricane. You learn about your self quick.


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26824192 - 07/15/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah it’s not just me then! The initial CEVs are so “organic”. In fact someone last week talked bout going into an “organic tunnel”; I fully get that.

And I didn’t mention, I also see the clowns; “clowns” doesn’t do them justice though. A combination of evil clowns, sharp teeth, lots of white and or red clothing, sort of harlequin jester clowns. Always look evil, but only occasionally do they freak me out.

I had my first trip at the weekend in months. It was quite a slow gentle come up, and was during a very bright day (I chickened out of my normal nighttime routine). It was so gentle that I didn’t really think I was tripping up until about the 90 minute mark. I couldn’t see the CEVs. But I got a desire to listen to Hawkwind, so put my shades on, baseball cap, headphones and switched on. Hawkwind instantly sounded amazing, and the slight shade from my cap revealed that the CEVs were actually fecking wild! Really organic, and lots of snake eyes, looking sideways at me.

I started chuckling to myself, as you do, that I didn’t NEED to close my eyes :eek:

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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26824247 - 07/15/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Based on this thread and my own highest dose visuals there seems to be this carnival/circus motif that increasesin intensity with the dose. Reminds me of descriptions by McKenna for example about the machine elves and other bizarre entertainment. What the hell is all that and why is mine and everyone's question


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26824289 - 07/15/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Some of my favorite eye closed visuals are of mushrooms growing. I’ll see them start as colorful pins then grow all the way out till the caps fold backwards then everything just goes squiggling and goes into fractals. Sometimes i close my eyes and see my trichocereus cactuses growing also and I know exactly what cactus it is and normally it has other plants growing in a spiral around it as it gets taller. I love closed eye visuals, last time I tripped my buddy showed my this really cool guitar and later in the trip I sat down and closed my eyes and I could see the exact guitar and it had waves of color pulsating off of it it every direction. Good times for sure I could go on and on...


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26824300 - 07/15/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

LOL yea I asked my sister what she experienced after eating a bunch of APE caps. She said it was like a demonic carnival ride. Ive definitely gotten to the diabolical circus range of psychedelia as well but I thought it was just me so I was kind of relieved when it occurred to my sister too.

CEVs:
-Faces (Greys, political and historical figures [shits creepy but I can deal] example: George bush, Obama, grey aliens, reptilians, Hillary Clinton, Cesare borgia )
-Snakes, serpents, ouroboros
-Massive, complex aztec machinery, living stone structures which rotate almost in zero gravity
-Net of Indra type visualisations, imagining interconnected human beings all part of a grid and fusing into oneness. Like a silhouette of a man in the form of particles and then those waves of particles disintegrate and blend with surrounding environment.

Not to mention my favourite,
reaction diffusion ! Very prominent pattern in nature and in tripping ! Organic mathematics...
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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: Faustian]
    #26824468 - 07/15/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is awesome. I definitely agree with the circus aspects; I often describe a mushroom trip as a cross between a rollercoaster and a merry go round. With all the harlequins thrown in.

I get the machinery, but it isn’t usually Aztec, it’s more a case of rooms filled with gears.

I have heard McKenna’s machine elves described many times; but I do not get anything I would describe as elvish (not in The Lord of The Rings style, anyway). I would describe them closer to hoards of goblins.

Like from this Michael Moorcock book cover:



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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26824696 - 07/15/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My first few times the CEVs were very vivid orange,yellow & white pulsing candy corn shapes that had words on them that you never could read because they pulsed in and out so fast. The last few times its been darker geometric fractals that pulsed in & out but a lot slower without words.


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: Cardinals1970]
    #26824867 - 07/15/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Has anyone ever done the full 5g in total darkness? Honestly, you didn’t open your eyes for the full duration of the trip?

I’m no wuss, I don’t think, but at times, especially in the come up, the closed eye visuals can feel suffocating; so I have to “come up for air” by opening my eyes!

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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26824899 - 07/15/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Of course it's exactly like that. You gotta breathe.


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26824975 - 07/15/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Tried drawing from some fungi induced visions for this one.


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26824979 - 07/15/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think I know what you mean. It's like you can't get away from them and they seem distracting. One trip they even felt purposefully so, which brings me back to the demonic carnival theme that the visuals are distracting you from something! They were a nuisance and I much more liked to be open eyed in that trip. Now that I think about it, the times I have taken mushrooms, very little I have actually spent closed eyed. Just enough to get an idea. I want to go deeper than my highest dose (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26779466) and observe the bizarreness


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26824984 - 07/15/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So does a different state of mind emerge after focusing on breath and observing the CEVs ?


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26824987 - 07/15/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Let “them” (visual hallucination) do their worst.  Then you’ll see their true nature. A big happy surprise comes. 


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26824997 - 07/15/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I can understand that :manofapproval:


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26824999 - 07/15/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What dose do you like to take?


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Re: Come up Closed Eye Visuals [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26825004 - 07/15/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

4.5g dry Ape / Tea , gets me where I want to be.


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