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Black Lives Matter.
    #26823377 - 07/14/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All shenanigans and slanted coverage aside, can we agree on the premise that black lives should matter just as much, and should be regarded with equal forthcomingness and protectiveness and privilege, as the lives of others?

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black lives should matter just as much, and should be regarded with equal forthcomingness and protectiveness and privilege, as the lives of others
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26823378 - 07/14/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes

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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26823380 - 07/14/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think so too :sun:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26823396 - 07/14/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26823452 - 07/14/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Do black lives matter is a different question than do you support black lives matter?

I think it's too decentralized to say. It's like asking if you support feminism.

The people who say no think of feminazies and the people who say yes support equal rights for women.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26823460 - 07/14/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Imagine if feminism was called female lives matter.

Oh boy...

Feminism and black lives matter mean a whole shitload of things. So it kinda means whatever you think it means. But people have an easier time arguing with their idea of what feminism is because it's name doesn't explicitly imply that disagreeing with your idea of the concept means it's okay if women die needless tragic deaths en mass.

I'm just saying it's problematic. But that might be to its benefit.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #26823653 - 07/14/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black lives matter. The organization called black lives matter is kind of fucked up and I don't know how to feel about it, because black lives do matter.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: searching] * 7
    #26823680 - 07/14/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes.

However I do not support the radical organization called black lives matter which promotes a bunch of radical ideas I do not support like defund the police, destroy the "western prescribed nuclear family", free palestine, etc.

and I do not agree with the suggestions that The USA is systemically racist or that all inequality is the result of inequity.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26823726 - 07/14/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #26823828 - 07/14/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes.

However I do not support the radical organization called black lives matter which promotes a bunch of radical ideas I do not support like defund the police, destroy the "western prescribed nuclear family", free palestine, etc.

and I do not agree with the suggestions that The USA is systemically racist or that all inequality is the result of inequity.




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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Distorted Vision] * 4
    #26823848 - 07/14/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26823869 - 07/14/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody's life matters equally.....eventually we will all be pulled into the sun :house:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 3
    #26823870 - 07/14/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, our country is so bad towards blacks. Our cops kill them dead in the street daily and don't kill any other color.

They have it so bad. We have no programs to help them and we won't even give them scholarships to get into college. Blacks don't kill each other and work together so well, but we just keep stomping on them.

I feel so bad for being white.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Asante] * 4
    #26823876 - 07/14/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

you mean Black Lives Marxists?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26823890 - 07/14/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Life is a gift. Not a right. No lives matter.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Distorted Vision] * 4
    #26823895 - 07/14/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, our country is so bad towards blacks. Our cops kill them dead in the street daily and don't kill any other color.

They have it so bad. We have no programs to help them and we won't even give them scholarships to get into college. Blacks don't kill each other and work together so well, but we just keep stomping on them.

I feel so bad for being white.




Why do you feel bad for being white? Nobody should feel bad on the basis of skin color.  As for the rest of your arguments, how does anyone of them invalidate that the U.S. is a system infused with systemic racism towards many races, but blacks in particular.

I mean your argument amounts to "Well I murdered a person, which is bad, but Hitler did too so maybe I'm not such a bad guy".  Similarly just because there exists programs (that mostly don't work and are full of dysfunction) aimed towards black people specifically does not mean that everything is great and cool.  Using strawmen and whataboutisms doesn't negate the basic truths stated. 


Please if you are going to reply to me, attempt something beyond what a 6th grader might come back with in his debate club.  Elevate the disussion, I'm sure you can, instead you try to derail, distract and argue about things not even being discussed.  I expeceted better from the shroomery  :elderno:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #26823908 - 07/14/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You're too smart, I can see that already. You don't sound like a hurt toddler.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #26823912 - 07/14/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26823923 - 07/14/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Ice9 said:
Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"




US for profit jail system, hell the entire judicial branch of government.  Look up the stats, for the same exact crime, in the same town/state and look up the sentencing disparity between White and non-white.

Edit: Yes it was keyboard warriory, but I also attended BLM protests, put myself between protesters and police, I donated my 1200$ gubment check to a food bank that serves mostly POC, also white people too, they don't discriminate. I donate both money and time at local charities, the real small ones that actually help people, as opposed to using 90% of the donations on executive pay and advertisement.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26823948 - 07/14/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Which study? I would need to see what exactly the study takes into account besides the race of the convict to determine if your concerns over the sentencing disparity are legitimate.

The black community has higher rates of recidivism for example.

People can use criminal justice statistics to support all sorts of narratives. Like people say "look at all the people in jail for drug possession" but a lot of people in jail for possession plead down from other charges.

Just because there is inequality does not mean there has been an injustice.

If the profit incentive was the issue it would benefit jails to give all kinds of people long sentences. If its just a matter of black people getting longer sentences then that problem could arise in any judicial system.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26823955 - 07/14/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"




US for profit jail system, hell the entire judicial branch of government.  Look up the stats, for the same exact crime, in the same town/state and look up the sentencing disparity between White and non-white.

Edit: Yes it was keyboard warriory, but I also attended BLM protests, put myself between protesters and police, I donated my 1200$ gubment check to a food bank that serves mostly POC, also white people too, they don't discriminate. I donate both money and time at local charities, the real small ones that actually help people, as opposed to using 90% of the donations on executive pay and advertisement.



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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26823958 - 07/14/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
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Ice9 said:
Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"




US for profit jail system, hell the entire judicial branch of government.  Look up the stats, for the same exact crime, in the same town/state and look up the sentencing disparity between White and non-white.

Edit: Yes it was keyboard warriory, but I also attended BLM protests, put myself between protesters and police, I donated my 1200$ gubment check to a food bank that serves mostly POC, also white people too, they don't discriminate. I donate both money and time at local charities, the real small ones that actually help people, as opposed to using 90% of the donations on executive pay and advertisement.



I just made a donation to Wounded Warriors Canada earlier today. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26823961 - 07/14/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Some need a study to see bc they r blind.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26823967 - 07/14/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

Ice9 said:
Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"




You're not going to find that institution. You might find racist individuals in any institution, but that doesn't mean that institution promotes racism. How do you fix racist individuals?  Everyone prejudges other people and environments to some extent, it's human nature.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26824042 - 07/14/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with the statement black lives matter.

I disagree with some of the positions of the organization Black Lives Matter and don't consider them representatives of all black people.

The naming of Black Lives Matter is such that any criticism creates an unconscious suggestion that you don't think the lives of black people matter and people react in that way when criticizing the group. 

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Ice9 said:
Yes, and the US is systemically racist, bad enough that not doing something about it makes you a racist.  I repeat if you are ok with the status quo, you are a damn bigoted fuck ass white supremacist racist.  So all you keyboard warrior wanna be allies, get out there and walk the fucking walk, like a true a patriot who believes in All *Men* Were Created Equal(ladies, I got you too, I haven't forgotten your plight, it is in essence, the very same battle as BLM).  So come at me you mysoginists, you racists.  I say right here,  directly to you FUCK YOU!



woah. I think you're portraying the best example of a keyboard warrior, calling people names and saying "fuck you".

Point to a specific institution that does verifiably racist things and I'll happily support you in correcting the issue but idk what problem you have with the "status quo"




Our society is fucked in a lot of ways.  Which status quo would you like to change?  I personally find is appalling when anyone buys Jordans or Jordan gear.  Especially if they are into protesting.  Michael Jordan owns stock in private prisons as part of the school-to-prison pipeline.  If you have "J's on my feet, so get like me" you sound ignorant to me and even more ignorant if you're about social progress and justice. 

A black person supporting Michael Jordan is the equivalent of gay people supporting Chik-Fil-A or ISIS/fundamentalism.  What kinda fucked up world is it when someone would steal the shoe of a person who plans to profit off their incarceration for stealing the shoe and also profits off the manipulation of emotions which lead you to want the shoe in the first place.  So yeah school to prison pipeline and the idolization of Michael Jordan definitely are fucked.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #26824066 - 07/14/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’d like to see a source about Mike owning stock in private prisons.  I could t find it when I looked last time.  I’ll see if I can find it but I’m not sure that’s true

https://blog.globaltel.com/michael-jordan-prison-investment/
It is possible though I mean his father was murdered on the side of the road While he was sleeping ffs.  Could make u invest in something like that


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26824075 - 07/14/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’d like to see a source about Mike owning stock in private prisons.  I could t find it when I looked last time.  I’ll see if I can find it but I’m not sure that’s true

https://blog.globaltel.com/michael-jordan-prison-investment/
It is possible though I mean his father was murdered on the side of the road While he was sleeping ffs.  Could make u invest in something like that





You right you right I was misinformed years ago and hadn't further checked since.  Holy fuck imagine how fucked shit would be if it was that way I've been like "fuck jordans he a bitch" for years LOL I'm still gonna be like that cause FUCK NIKE It is sad that his dad was murdered I forgot about that.

Still need to end the school-to-prison pipeline tho


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26824077 - 07/14/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ya mosdef I heard the same thing years ago and I’m a big Jordan fan so I went looking determined to find out if one of my heroes was a privatized prison monger


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26824079 - 07/14/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

CLEAN WATER FOR FLINT MICHIGAN!!!!


The trailer court I grew up in needs to update it's plumbing and systems of communication because there would be boil orders like monthly and they wouldn't inform people outside of posting a small notice at the entrance to the trailer court.  My mom is disabled and was stricken with PTSD and wouldn't even know she needed to boil her water in order for it to be safe to drink it until I'd get there and let her know. 


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26824229 - 07/15/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

gubment study on the matter for the man who can't google himself.

Recidivism rates not at discussion, as a meta-analysis will control for that among many other factors.  Don't know why I even post, doubt you have the tools to understand any study, and merely look at abstracts till you find one you believe confirms your already set world view.  Funny thing is, most people draw conclusions from studies that the study explicitly says cannot be drawn from said particular study. If it fits your narrative though, have at it I guess.

Edit:at bananaman, but the rest of you racists might be able to read it too... still doubt any of you have a clue how to make a meta-analysis and control for all factors outside race.  Maybe one of you will surprise me, but I keep my hopes low, that way I can't be disappointed.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #26824252 - 07/15/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've yet to see proof of a single racist member in my years here. Except maybe xul


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26824281 - 07/15/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Bodhi of Ankou is one I remember well. And he was proud of it. Even shaved his head.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26824299 - 07/15/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Stereotyping people based on race is racism and harmful to a society right?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26824561 - 07/15/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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ichugwindex said:
I've yet to see proof of a single racist member in my years here. Except maybe xul




The label gets thrown around so much these days that it really has lost its meaning. And I swear it's mind blowing how many people don't seem to really grasp or understand at all what a true, genuine racist really is.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 4
    #26825268 - 07/15/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
gubment study on the matter for the man who can't google himself.

Recidivism rates not at discussion, as a meta-analysis will control for that among many other factors.  Don't know why I even post, doubt you have the tools to understand any study, and merely look at abstracts till you find one you believe confirms your already set world view.  Funny thing is, most people draw conclusions from studies that the study explicitly says cannot be drawn from said particular study. If it fits your narrative though, have at it I guess.

Edit:at bananaman, but the rest of you racists might be able to read it too... still doubt any of you have a clue how to make a meta-analysis and control for all factors outside race.  Maybe one of you will surprise me, but I keep my hopes low, that way I can't be disappointed.



Ok, seriously, calling people who disagree with you racist with no evidence is acctually really crappy. It doesn't surprise me that the kind of person to pull that stuff is the same kind of person who automatically assumes any inequality between races is the result of injustice.

Why are you coming out of the gates saying idk how to read a study and assuming I am guilty of things that others you have had this discussion with are guilty of? why can't you just have a conversation with me not some straw man? I have no ill will toward you. If you want to continue with the completely unprovoked hostility then I am not interested in having this discussion with you. Arguments are for name calling and personal attacks, discussions are for getting to the bottom of stuff.


Differences in sentancing among different groups is almost inevitable. even if you selected 2 groups totally randomly, statistical differences would likely emerge between the two groups. Its practically bound to happen, and not always in a way that supports your narriative. for example this other study I was reading broke down each crime individually and when looking at larceny it found that although whites were least likely to be sentenced to jail time, they were sentenced for the longest periods of time. and there were other interesting and inconsistent disparities. I'm still in the  process of looking over that study though but its called "sentencing in federal courts, does race matter?"

as your study points out the more factors that are taken into account the narrower the sentancing gap becomes with prior criminal history of the defendant and severity of the crime accounting for most of the disparity. as well as socio economic status of the defendant and type of attorney used which were accounted for. But there are other factors such as whether or not a plea deal was reached which did not seem to be accounted for in many of the data looked at by your source.

If the sentencing disparity between blacks and whites is due to discrimination against blacks, then do you think that the sentencing disparity between men and women is due to systemic discrimination against men? Your out of the blue complaining about misogyny makes me think you dont but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

There is no law on the books saying men or blacks should receive higher sentences. I'm open to the idea that maybe there shouldn't be so much room for discretionary sentencing and I'm open to the idea that there may be racist judges whose biases affect their duties but so far I'm not convinced that the judicial system is racist.

I'm still looking over your study, its very long but those are my concerns thus far. I will keep looking into the sentencing disparity, I appreciate you taking the time to link that study.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26828762 - 07/17/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:





If the sentencing disparity between blacks and whites is due to discrimination against blacks, then do you think that the sentencing disparity between men and women is due to systemic discrimination against men? Your out of the blue complaining about misogyny makes me think you dont but I'd like to hear your thoughts.






Yes, I'm done googling for others but I do believe sentencing structure between male/female is also skewed.  Would need someone to look up a study, but the eyeball test on sentences handed out to teachers who have molested a single student (not talking serial predator, though they may be)  Is an obvious example of sentencing disparity, but on the flip side, light sentences for male rapists/sexual offenders who are affluent (Brock Holt I believe his name is) show the system is pretty mysoginistic, dismissing or minimizing Women's claims.

Also there is the whole affluent vs poor(a good study controls for those factor via a variety of methods, sometimes these methods are inappropriate to the study, thus understanding the research methods and tools (usually takes a lot of schooling, Master's or Higher or a serious commitment to self learning) can make wading through academic studies impossible to the lay person.

This get's into reporting on Academic studies.  The reporter is not an expert in the field, but has some knowledge.  These types of articles on academic articles run the gamut from innocuous to outright harmful, with the reporter drawing conclusions that the study does not support.  As they say "Alittle knowledge is a dangerous thing"

Yes, I opened my entrance into this thread very provocatively, and my argument style has often been summed as arrogant, pugnacious, trolling, ham-fisted and out right rude.  This is who I am when I have a discussion (you should see an argument), but I rarely get people bringing actual research, accredited and from tier 1/2 journals to my discussions.  Instead I get responses that employ logical fallacies, or attempts to engage in sophistry.  It is this reason I argue so pugnaciously, I tend to ignore the arguments of sophists, I outright stop responding to people I believe are arguing in bad faith. 

TL;DR Got a problem with the way i "discuss" serious topics on a drug forum, well I don't have time for that noise, so fuck off :smile:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 4
    #26828828 - 07/17/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26828854 - 07/17/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pirate-blues said:
All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9]
    #26828950 - 07/17/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:havesomesantorum:

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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26828983 - 07/17/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pirate-blues said:
All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?

I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26829025 - 07/17/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No Lives Matter Until Black Lives Matter


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26829147 - 07/17/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Some need a study to see bc they r blind.




We all need to see studies because all of us posting are presumably human, and therefore fallible because we are all susceptible to bullshit ideas and thoughts.

What people are consciously being blind towards seeing are often valid arguments that address concerns within today's climate, and then those poking their heads up to make the arguments getting crucified by those on the extreme positions from all sides with huge voices that ring out to those listening for all news, so things seem skewed in the media. Seems so to me at least.

Edit:  Black lives matter as much as any lives, fuck racism and systemically racist law enforcement.  If I didn't include that I might be considered racist, though I have always believed that and take it for granted that the vast majority of people aren't really that racist if they are at all.  Some are though. Change should happen to make things better for everyone


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Re: Black Lives Matter. *DELETED* [Re: MorphinTime]
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26829226 - 07/17/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We already shut down once.  It did exactly what it was supposed to do.  But certain individuals decided to take advantage of a national crisis as a time to riot, and boom, the infections are up.

Now we just need to ride this out.  Some of you will survive, some of you won’t.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 2
    #26829287 - 07/17/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

pirate-blues said:
All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?

I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.







whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.


We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.


That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #26829387 - 07/17/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Ice9 said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:





If the sentencing disparity between blacks and whites is due to discrimination against blacks, then do you think that the sentencing disparity between men and women is due to systemic discrimination against men? Your out of the blue complaining about misogyny makes me think you dont but I'd like to hear your thoughts.






Yes, I'm done googling for others but I do believe sentencing structure between male/female is also skewed.  Would need someone to look up a study, but the eyeball test on sentences handed out to teachers who have molested a single student (not talking serial predator, though they may be)  Is an obvious example of sentencing disparity, but on the flip side, light sentences for male rapists/sexual offenders who are affluent (Brock Holt I believe his name is) show the system is pretty mysoginistic, dismissing or minimizing Women's claims.

Also there is the whole affluent vs poor(a good study controls for those factor via a variety of methods, sometimes these methods are inappropriate to the study, thus understanding the research methods and tools (usually takes a lot of schooling, Master's or Higher or a serious commitment to self learning) can make wading through academic studies impossible to the lay person.

This get's into reporting on Academic studies.  The reporter is not an expert in the field, but has some knowledge.  These types of articles on academic articles run the gamut from innocuous to outright harmful, with the reporter drawing conclusions that the study does not support.  As they say "Alittle knowledge is a dangerous thing"

Yes, I opened my entrance into this thread very provocatively, and my argument style has often been summed as arrogant, pugnacious, trolling, ham-fisted and out right rude.  This is who I am when I have a discussion (you should see an argument), but I rarely get people bringing actual research, accredited and from tier 1/2 journals to my discussions.  Instead I get responses that employ logical fallacies, or attempts to engage in sophistry.  It is this reason I argue so pugnaciously, I tend to ignore the arguments of sophists, I outright stop responding to people I believe are arguing in bad faith. 

TL;DR Got a problem with the way i "discuss" serious topics on a drug forum, well I don't have time for that noise, so fuck off :smile:



I agree with you that racism is wrong I just dont agree that the USA is systemically racist or that all gaps between groups are the result of injustice. So there is no need to call me racist. Go ahead and be as provocative and insulting as you want, I find those discussions unproductive but you do you. When you tar and feather people with awful titles like racist dishonestly thats just being a straight up defamatory jerk.

I see you're far too educated and smart to talk with people below you and anyone who disagrees with you in any way is the same as everyone else who disagrees with you and is automatically guulty of the same stuff.

I dont think thats going to solve any problems and I think that stuff leads to more problems and more division.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 1
    #26829395 - 07/17/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Strawman is made of straw, just like the scarecrow in Wizard of OZ it's got no brain


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9]
    #26829404 - 07/17/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)





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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26829516 - 07/17/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pirate-blues said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

pirate-blues said:
All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?

I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.







whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.


We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.


That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.




Even if we isolate this issue to just the US, you're still putting the struggles of black people over the struggles of every other group, I find that highly problematic. If you're truly concern about breeding division, you would stop putting the struggles of one group before the struggles of all other groups because it's the flavor of the month.

There was a small BLM march and rally in my town a few days ago, I can assure you it created more division and animosity rather than unity.


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My life is only one that matters(to me), at least until I have it under control. Then I can worry about everyone else's :shrug:


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It’s funny when people make a long post and do the :micdrop: like the applause track is qued up like it’s The View..:smilingpuppy:


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    #26829937 - 07/17/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@Amanita. Just sick of having the same dumb ass argument over and over again. I'm sick of no one willing to have a discussion in good faith. I'm fucking done with it all. I've said my piece and that's that. Do you have anything to actually contribute or we done here? :peace:

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All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?

I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.







whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.


We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.


That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.




Even if we isolate this issue to just the US, you're still putting the struggles of black people over the struggles of every other group, I find that highly problematic. If you're truly concern about breeding division, you would stop putting the struggles of one group before the struggles of all other groups because it's the flavor of the month.

There was a small BLM march and rally in my town a few days ago, I can assure you it created more division and animosity rather than unity.






Showing solidarity for a movement is putting that ahead of other things how exactly? What are you doing for marginalized folks qman that you're soooo busy with that voicing support for a civil rights movement is such a detractor from? :lol: I'd love to know.



I can support and show solidarity for multiple things, all at once, and I can even care about multiple things all at once - it's amazing omg, I know. You should try it sometime.


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    #26829947 - 07/17/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Internet debates are incredibly unproductive. Look at the politics forum. It's the same people arguing the same shit for the last five years or so.


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    #26829951 - 07/17/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah after so much wasted time I'm pretty sure I've changed exactly 0 people's minds. Though that's not even what I'm out to do, I just would like an honest and data driven discussion that is willing to acknowledge and work past both parties respective biases. Is that so much to ask for?!




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Internet debates are incredibly unproductive. Look at the politics forum. It's the same people arguing the same shit for the last five years or so.



There ain't a lot of arguing there anymore, it’s more of an echo chamber.


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    #26829965 - 07/17/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You get those discussions all the time but you dismiss them because of your political bias.


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Yeah after so much wasted time I'm pretty sure I've changed exactly 0 people's minds. Though that's not even what I'm out to do, I just would like an honest and data driven discussion that is willing to acknowledge and work past both parties respective biases. Is that so much to ask for?!




...probably.


:okay::unwanted:


I know my first post in this thread came out boxing, but I'm just over it. Can't even entertain this dumb shit any more.



I just come here to goof off. Occasionally I'll get caught up in whatever hot topic and it's tiresome. Life's too short for all that.

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There ain't a lot of arguing there anymore, it’s more of an echo chamber.



If I'm being honest I haven't been in there, so my post on it was unfair. But, I believe you.


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You get those discussions all the time but you dismiss them because of your political bias.





Once again, the lack of self awareness is just super impressive.

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    #26830013 - 07/18/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

And you wonder why nobody wants to have a ‘discussion’ with you.

When it comes to political bias you are one of the worst offenders around.


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    #26830014 - 07/18/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Politics be damned those of us that will die are about to refuse to wear the mask without a monthly check.

Protest incoming. If you want us to starve we wont stop until everyone in the country has it.

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And you wonder why nobody wants to have a ‘discussion’ with you.

When it comes to political bias you are one of the worst offenders around.



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Once again, the lack of self awareness is just super impressive.

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    #26830016 - 07/18/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hun, you’ll never understand.


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Politics be damned those of us that will die are about to refuse to wear the mask without a monthly check.

Protest incoming. If you want us to starve we wont stop until everyone in the country has it.






Nah yeah dude I agree, something has to be done. Shit will go full anarchy soon if they don't pass an actual economic recovery bill with some kind of extended income help for people.


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    #26830031 - 07/18/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It’s funny when people make a long post and do the :micdrop: like the applause track is qued up like it’s The View..:smilingpuppy:




It’s even funnier how the people who are the most obviously politically biased are the ones that accuse everyone else.  And they do it knowing full well that if they argue it long enough staff will ban the other party and not them.

A bunch of bullies rolling hard under the pretext of virtuosity, if you ask me.


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    #26830038 - 07/18/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:triggered:



Alright Alright I'm done. Out of respect to OP, and myself, I'mma duck out of this thread before I help turn it into a complete dumpster fire. Besides, that's lowbrow's job.


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    #26830045 - 07/18/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Politics be damned those of us that will die are about to refuse to wear the mask without a monthly check.

Protest incoming. If you want us to starve we wont stop until everyone in the country has it.

Ok I'm joking but I bet some people are going to actually do that




I’m curious whether death is a bad thing right now.  The future thats coming up looks like it’s really going to suck.  Especially with this crybully culture thats being promulagated.


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    #26830048 - 07/18/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pfft. Bitches cant handle my manly tears


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No comprehend’e.


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    #26830072 - 07/18/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Dont be afraid to have a healthy cry. Stress is the silent killer and not getting your emotions out with any kind of healthy outlet will catch up to you. A good heavy trip usually does the trick.


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    #26830079 - 07/18/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve done so much crying there’s no more tears to give.


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    #26830124 - 07/18/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Showing solidarity for a movement is putting that ahead of other things how exactly? What are you doing for marginalized folks qman that you're soooo busy with that voicing support for a civil rights movement is such a detractor from? :lol: I'd love to know.


I can support and show solidarity for multiple things, all at once, and I can even care about multiple things all at once - it's amazing omg, I know. You should try it sometime.





Well folks actually are busy.  I assume everyone has a job or if they don't they are out of work at the moment, possibly as a result from the virus, plus they have the typical life responsibilities as well as family obligations.  There are so many problems in the world that not a single human can care for them all and do something for them all, let alone be aware of them all. 

I doubt qman is racist or hates much, but a lot of folks on here treat his posts in a way that seems like they think he is. I think it's because he has conservative values and while I am neither Republican or Democrat, folks ranging on the left like to be a little ridiculous at times  :shrug:.  So do right leaning folks sometimes, of course, but on the shroomery I see more of the left doing so.  Overt racism and similar ilk tend to get stomped out thanks to moderators. I have witnessed true racism in my life, that isn't here or if it is, it isn't for long.

P-b, you don't seem to be championing my plight or my problems and all those of whom share them, but I doubt it is because you don't care. You probably aren't aware and don't have the time, and I don't need a champion or affirmative action to make my situation better, I can do it my damn self without help and if I can't then fuck me, i accept all consequences, though I assure you I face discrimination every day

We all show support for multiple things, you aren't special.  I have never said this to anyone but that post I quoted has more entitlement than I have ever seen.  That being said I have no problem with you, but I'm mostly a lurker and I see a bunch of posts from lots of folks that are getting more radical. Everybody might benefit by chilling out a bit

I remember when I used to think of the word "radical" in a much different way.  It used to be the perfect descriptor for how you landed a skateboard trick or a bike maneuver and folks would say "Radical!" or "Rad!" if and when you nailed something cool.


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    #26830569 - 07/18/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like stirring shit pot's, so when I see one I tend to give it a whirl.  Doesn't mean there is not a nugget of real truth in what I say, it's more  that when I see people argue and it is fully insincere (not pointing fingers, y'all know who you are) it just really brings out the worst in me.  Also, it's the internet, you ain't changing anyone's mind on shit unless it already is not made up.  Assuming everyone on shroomery and in here is at least 18 and probably older they have already decided where their affiliations lay.  So arguing them here is a "near" inherent waste of time (I say near but its still good to see both sides extremes and even the pillowy soft middle).  Oh well, such is life.  Go forth and live it how you want to, just remember that is rarely if ever how you have to live your life.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #26832420 - 07/19/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black Lives Matter

Brown Lives Matter

Indigenous Lives Matter

Trans Lives Matter

Disabled Lives Matter

LGBTQ Live Matter

MINORITY LIVES MATTER

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    #26832449 - 07/19/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And you wonder why nobody wants to have a ‘discussion’ with you.

When it comes to political bias you are one of the worst offenders around.




:lol: all you do on here is push your biased political agenda.

You consistantly make these snarky little insult posts about people you percieve as left-wing, that perfectly describe yourself and exactly what you do. There is no way you're not doing it on purpose, no one is that self-unaware.


In your own words:

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    #26832672 - 07/19/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@Amanita. Just sick of having the same dumb ass argument over and over again. I'm sick of no one willing to have a discussion in good faith. I'm fucking done with it all. I've said my piece and that's that. Do you have anything to actually contribute or we done here? :peace:

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All lives won't matter until black lives matter.



And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.

Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/

Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/




There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.



:coolcat:




Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?

I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.







whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.


We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.


That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.




Even if we isolate this issue to just the US, you're still putting the struggles of black people over the struggles of every other group, I find that highly problematic. If you're truly concern about breeding division, you would stop putting the struggles of one group before the struggles of all other groups because it's the flavor of the month.

There was a small BLM march and rally in my town a few days ago, I can assure you it created more division and animosity rather than unity.






Showing solidarity for a movement is putting that ahead of other things how exactly? What are you doing for marginalized folks qman that you're soooo busy with that voicing support for a civil rights movement is such a detractor from? :lol: I'd love to know.



I can support and show solidarity for multiple things, all at once, and I can even care about multiple things all at once - it's amazing omg, I know. You should try it sometime.




"Showing solidarity for a movement is putting that ahead of other things how exactly?"  Well, these are your words- "all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". 

Can you not see that you're prioritizing the struggles of just one group above the struggles of all other groups?

I get the feeling that you might think you're somewhat morally superior because of this hardline you're drawing with the black lives matter movement hysteria. I got news for you, it doesn't. You claim you can show support for multiple things, yet your words still show a serious priority to one specific movement and the lack of interest of those other movements until you're satisfied with the results from you main priority.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman]
    #26832683 - 07/19/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26832756 - 07/19/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




Is altruism that makes you feel good (rewards you) truly altruism?  Kinda a dick question but I think it is valid.  I feel it is more like philanthropy.  Helping out because you can, and because it makes you feel good.  I don't think that renders your actions self-serving or some how negates the good you do, I just thought altruism was poor choice of words, where charity and philanthropy fit much better.

Regardless, if more people took time to donate their efforts (in actions or money) to things they felt improved the world, I believe we would have an improved society, one that more closely matches ideals of humanism.  Wish more would do so, but I understand the flipside of the coin where a lot of people feel nearly, or totally overwhelmed just getting by and don't have the extra emotional and physical energy to take on a cause.  Anyways Pirateblues, keep doing you, it makes a difference if small, and if we get a critical mass it make a major difference.  My hope is it seems the younger generations are not just idealistic, but willing to put in the work.  I've seen at a few places I volunteered at.  Makes me hopeful even with the state of things not being even remotely to my personal satisfaction.


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    #26832764 - 07/19/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No that is a good question, and I would say it's probably a mix of philanthropy and altruism. I also meant it in this sense : https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/mar/13/george-davis-altruism-selfish-play-calculating-kindness


But also in the sense that it makes me feel good about myself too, and thus, is inherently at least a bit selfish - on an egoic level. But I would rather get my fix this way than any other, ya know :shrug: ?

I can't speak for anyone else, really. I'm too stoned to try, too. But I agree with you.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26832777 - 07/19/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

wtf 9% of shroomery is racist according to this poll.

Time to step up the dosages then my fellow nazis.
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    #26832895 - 07/19/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nobodies lives matter! Now let's have a party! :vibin:


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    #26833203 - 07/19/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol: all you do on here is push your biased political agenda.


wrong.  I disagree with you guys pushing your agenda.  Because of your superior attitude you translate that as me pushing an agenda.  You’re not used to dissenting voices.

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You consistantly make these snarky little insult posts about people you percieve as left-wing,


No. I’m not allowed that freedom, you are.

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that perfectly describe yourself and exactly what you do.


No it doesn't, but it describes a number of left leaning individuals that like to post here, you included.

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There is no way you're not doing it on purpose,


Doing what? Responding with opinions from outside your echo chamber?

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no one is that self-unaware.



Well, in my honest opinion, you and pirate blues sure are.

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In your own words:

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It’s even funnier how the people who are the most obviously politically biased are the ones that accuse everyone else.







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    #26833245 - 07/19/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman]
    #26833285 - 07/19/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.



Yes there is, there always has been. You're not as in tune with social commentary as you think you are, especially when it concerns minorities.

black and spanish communities all around the country are pretty mixed with each other. You'd be a fool to think that the current movement is only about black people. We had the one drop rule that had actual legislation around it. If you were dark enough or had the right hair texture you were labeled black, even if you didn't have black parents. If you fit the "look" then that was it. You were automatically barred from certain parts of society. Those ugly parts of our country's past are still relevant today. Read some history Qman, maybe you'll understand current social struggles and injustices a bit better.

And put what back into perspective? Who do you think you are, some kind of mediator at a summer camp? These issues are emotional because of the historical context that gave rise to them in the first place. There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: LikeMyc]
    #26833288 - 07/19/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah but humans do give a lot of fucks about each other :shrug:


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    #26833292 - 07/19/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All you guys matter


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #26833319 - 07/19/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No you! :hug:

People are getting so caught up with the wording. I don't think there's word or message that can include everyone and keeps the same level of impact and if there is, it would take some serious marketing for it to break through. Its why the lgbtq acronym has turned into this LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual), trying to include everyone. It just becomes convoluted. Black lives matter is simple and makes people pay attention. I get that the wording isn't perfect but it makes headlines and more awareness through such a title vs something forgettable or too complicated.

I interpret the term to include anyone that's suffered under police abuse. If an officer is abusing you physically, your rights as an American, well thats a normal everyday reality for people of color. So by default you've gotten a taste of what minorities have been suffering and enduring for decades.


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    #26833412 - 07/19/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




That's like saying you support animal abuse if you criticize any aspect of the organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).  "Oh, you like to have a pet cat or dog?  That makes you an evil abuser who hates animals" it's profoundly absurd.


One might even suggest that naming themselves "Black Lives Matter" is a strategy intending to short-circuit people's criticism of their goals/mission statements.  Anyone who thinks criticism of the group Black Lives Matter means you don't think the "lives of black people matter" is cognitively deficient. 

So if you think Marxism doesn't work and is a bad idea, you are automatically a racist since the people who run BLM are openly trained Marxist.  So basically if you are against Communism/China, North Korea, & Russia's Systems you are a racist is that correct? 


https://www.yonkerstribune.com/2020/06/the-black-lives-matter-movement-is-the-enemy-of-african-americans-by-leslie-taha

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TACOMA, WA — June 20, 2020 — The first thing that I have to say is that I am an African American man living in the Minneapolis area. I have to state this now; otherwise I would probably be called a racist.

Most people think that Black Lives Matter is a grass-roots, black created, black run organization dedicated to fighting racism. It most certainly is not. The Black Lives Matter movement is the creation of a group of a few very wealthy individuals, non-profit corporations, and the corporate media (incidentally, 90% of the U.S. media is controlled by only six corporations)

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

On the official Black Lives Matter website, BlackLivesMatter.com https://blacklivesmatter.com/ it states that Black Lives Matter is a global network foundation that is active in the U.S., U.K., and Canada. A global network!

Who funds Black Lives Matter? It’s funded by billionaires George Soros (Open Society Foundation), Rob McKay (Taco Bell heir), the Ford Foundation, the Borealis Philanthropy, the Democracy Alliance, and many others. Not exactly what I would call a black run grass-roots organization. If these facts alone don’t cause you to rethink the whole Black Lives Matter thing, then you just aren’t paying attention. (Check out the links below)

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/

http://bmafunders.org/who-is-funding-black-lives-matter/

Black Lives Matter began in 2013 when the media suddenly started focusing a tremendous amount of attention on what they portrayed as the rise of unjustified, racially motivated killings of African American men by white police officers. That’s the way that the media portrayed it, but the facts say otherwise.

Are police shootings of African American men on the rise? No they are not. In fact they are on the decline. According to the Juvenile and Criminal Justice Report, the rate of police killings of African Americans has fallen by 70% over the last 40-50 years. http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113

article cont: https://www.yonkerstribune.com/2020/06/the-black-lives-matter-movement-is-the-enemy-of-african-americans-by-leslie-taha






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    #26833470 - 07/19/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about?


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    #26833719 - 07/20/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Cosmic_Flame said: There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




I’d say taking advantage of a national crisis to violently push a political agenda is an arguement unto itself.  Let’s also not forget about the attempt to overthrow the government....


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lol what?


I don't do shit for black lives matter other than agree with them that black lives matter and support them being out there.


I help my mom mentor foster kids(well kid. we have one right now, and can only see her virtually), I'm helping set up a computer lab at a group home for kids, I give people free weed from the dispensaries who need it medically...like if anything I have a lot more altruism to stoke my ego with than black lives matter if I care to. And if you'd like to give me shit for it so be it, I maintain that altruism is the purest form of selfishness and I'm proud to embrace it.



I am literally just agreeing with their cause.

Wasn't so hard.




I have no issue with you supporting BLM and it seems like you're very passionate about a lot of very important social issues.

My issue was the words you used, specifically -"all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter". I really do get what you're saying, but on the other hand, that statement also says something else, mainly the black movement is more important than the issues affecting other demographics.

The reason BLM is a failed movement in my opinion is because of the exclusivity it uses on issues that affect everybody in the general population. Yes, law enforcement abuses Hispanic, Asians, Native Americans and even white people as well. In fact, law enforcement abuses people disproportionately more based on gender than it does when it comes to race. Yet, there's no social outrage about that reality at all.

So yes, I going to point out people that put the struggles of one particular group on a pedestal and suggesting that it's more important than the struggles of other groups. It's very easy to get carried away and suggest that nothing else matters until racial justice is obtained. I'm just here too kind of put things back into perspective and not let emotions get the best of well intended people.



Yes there is, there always has been. You're not as in tune with social commentary as you think you are, especially when it concerns minorities.

black and spanish communities all around the country are pretty mixed with each other. You'd be a fool to think that the current movement is only about black people. We had the one drop rule that had actual legislation around it. If you were dark enough or had the right hair texture you were labeled black, even if you didn't have black parents. If you fit the "look" then that was it. You were automatically barred from certain parts of society. Those ugly parts of our country's past are still relevant today. Read some history Qman, maybe you'll understand current social struggles and injustices a bit better.

And put what back into perspective? Who do you think you are, some kind of mediator at a summer camp? These issues are emotional because of the historical context that gave rise to them in the first place. There's no argument to be had being against black lives matter, only a racist one.




There's outrage about males being arrested and imprisoned more than 10 times than females?  I don't think so, the narrative is very selective, it's white vs non-white.

Also, what makes you think I'm oblivious to the historic struggles of minorities in the US?  That's a very arrogant type of attitude.

And yes, there's PLENTY of non-racist arguments to be had against aspects of the BLM movement. If you're going to suggest that a certain movement should be free of criticism, you're no longer a person worthy of discussion. Any movement is made up of humans who are always fallible, therefore it's important to examine what they say and what they do. It's more complicated than if you're against BLM, then you're racist. That's an attitude of confrontation and anger, it's an attitude of shutting down discussion and ultimately, it's an attitude of division, not unity.


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] * 4
    #26834019 - 07/20/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

After I posted that I knew I was going to trigger some folks. I've been on this site long enough to see all the ridiculous concern trolling, subtle racist rhetoric and blatant crazy conspiracy theories to know it doesn't matter how one words a post about sensitive topics. I don't hold any ill will towards anyone on here so I'm not going to reply with any more inflammatory comments. I'm sorry for sarcastically calling you a camp counselor qman :hug:

I should of clarified, I was kind of hoping the context of my post would suffice. I'll make this point now. The movement isn't without criticism, no movement is, nothing is ever perfect especially something like this. However, its core message is simple. Minorities matter and should not suffer systemic abuse any longer. If you have a problem with that message then you have some serious prejudices you should probably work on. Asante's op is clear, if you disagree with it then I don't know what to tell you. So yes I'll say it again for those in the back, if you're against black lives matter, you're probably racist. People shouldn't be given a pass for their racism. Its not healthy for our society. I like to think people can change and be civil, so maybe there's hope for true change in the system. A movement like this isn't dividing the country anymore than it already was prior. Its just bringing out the true colors of our society. I can agree to disagree. 

I do have hang ups with how the organization is profiting off of people. Its the same crap that's been happening with lgbtq movements (rainbow tax) Its an unfortunate symptom of our capitalistic system. Nothing can exist in this society and have power without it being profitable. I don't like it but its the way things are. The organization of black lives matter is a totally different discussion vs the movement, lets not conflate the two.

And Qman I'm not assuming anything. You can call me arrogant all you like but I've seen and read many of your posts in the political forum over the years. You have a distorted perspective on what American minorities experience. And I can only assume this comes from a lack of historical understanding which has led to current events. Or you're just being intellectually dishonest and maybe you do know better but for the sake of being contrarian or "moderate" as you would put it, you play this concern trolling game of whataboutisms. I mean its all over this thread.

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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Cosmic_Flame] * 6
    #26834118 - 07/20/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I like that word “systemic” because it removes any obligation or responsibility to point out who has been racist and you just get to go “oh well it’s everyone, it’s everything.....trust me”.

I’m most definitely saving that one in my memory bank for various arguments.  It’s impossible to defend, very niiice.:borat:


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    #26834242 - 07/20/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Black flies matter!


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    #26834259 - 07/20/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My aunt posted this hilarious picture of a goya can with the caption “black beans matter”


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The are good for you


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan] * 2
    #26834310 - 07/20/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Well would you look at that..  a bunch of black folk “defaced” the BLM “mural” outside of Trump Tower, and it’s not the first time they did it.  Now why would you suppose they would do something like that?:sherlock:


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    #26834312 - 07/20/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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All lives won't matter until black lives matter.


And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.




1 in 3 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18 while the data for boys is 1 in 5 boys. Does this data mean that female lives don't matter? Of course not. That would be a silly conclusion to reach.

All lives matter. BLM has caused many people to hyper-focus on one group of people, which is ridiculous. White-skinned people have also suffered unfairly and have been killed at the hands of police, but people get angry when facts like that are brought up because people want to focus on black-skinned people being victims. 

I think the BLM movement has caused much more harm to society than anything positive. 

Nobody who joins a mass movement considers their holy crusade might have negative consequences.


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    #26834387 - 07/20/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's obvious that Black lives matter but the actual BLM group are fascist. They've admitted that themselves. Fuck the BLM group, Fuck Antifa, and Fuck you if you are one of them.



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    #26834459 - 07/20/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: SonicTitan] * 2
    #26834475 - 07/20/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SonicTitan said:
Black flies matter!




No they dont, and fuck deer flies and horse flies too

EDIT,

A deer fly lands on this guy and his first thought is let me get a photo, wouldnt be mine



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    #26837002 - 07/21/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The increasing amount of black people speaking against BLM and defaced BLM murals/statues is giving me a little hope.

My uncle is one of the best men I know and has been voted one of the best teachers in his school, and loved by all kinds of people, but he has to go to these school board meetings for "white" people about racism where he's essentially told "if you attend, you're admitting you are guilty, but you lose your job if you don't." This is one of the most illegitimate movements I have ever heard of. It started based on lies, and continues with bullying tactics and censorship. BLM supporters are so "oppresse" that they feel comfortable enough to wish death upon white people and actually killing them in some cases for not bowing down to a bullshit movement that is not even about them, in the end.


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    #26839079 - 07/22/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Did any of you fucking idiots who support this still see the BLM supporter with the quote "blm now mf" kneeling on a fucking white baby being held down by another black man? How many of you retards are still going to defend this group and the things they teach?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Eminence]
    #26839083 - 07/22/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Poast photo pls.


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    #26839090 - 07/22/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Go look it up. I just almost lost it so I'm not looking again.


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    #26839096 - 07/22/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Here you go..


Nice fella..


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    #26839104 - 07/22/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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    #26839200 - 07/22/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wow just wow:picard:


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    #26839271 - 07/22/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, where’s a white cop with an itchy trigger finger when you need one?


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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #26839329 - 07/22/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Did any of you fucking idiots who support this still see the BLM supporter with the quote "blm now mf" kneeling on a fucking white baby being held down by another black man? How many of you retards are still going to defend this group and the things they teach?




are you talking about Black Lives Marxists?:crazybeard:


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