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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] 1
#26829025 - 07/17/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No Lives Matter Until Black Lives Matter
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The Blind Ass said: Some need a study to see bc they r blind.
We all need to see studies because all of us posting are presumably human, and therefore fallible because we are all susceptible to bullshit ideas and thoughts.
What people are consciously being blind towards seeing are often valid arguments that address concerns within today's climate, and then those poking their heads up to make the arguments getting crucified by those on the extreme positions from all sides with huge voices that ring out to those listening for all news, so things seem skewed in the media. Seems so to me at least.
Edit: Black lives matter as much as any lives, fuck racism and systemically racist law enforcement. If I didn't include that I might be considered racist, though I have always believed that and take it for granted that the vast majority of people aren't really that racist if they are at all. Some are though. Change should happen to make things better for everyone
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Re: Black Lives Matter. *DELETED* [Re: MorphinTime]
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: LikeMyc]
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We already shut down once. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. But certain individuals decided to take advantage of a national crisis as a time to riot, and boom, the infections are up.
Now we just need to ride this out. Some of you will survive, some of you won’t.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] 2
#26829287 - 07/17/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: All lives won't matter until black lives matter.
And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.
Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/
Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/
There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.

Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?
I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.
whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.
We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.
That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9] 2
#26829387 - 07/17/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the sentencing disparity between blacks and whites is due to discrimination against blacks, then do you think that the sentencing disparity between men and women is due to systemic discrimination against men? Your out of the blue complaining about misogyny makes me think you dont but I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Yes, I'm done googling for others but I do believe sentencing structure between male/female is also skewed. Would need someone to look up a study, but the eyeball test on sentences handed out to teachers who have molested a single student (not talking serial predator, though they may be) Is an obvious example of sentencing disparity, but on the flip side, light sentences for male rapists/sexual offenders who are affluent (Brock Holt I believe his name is) show the system is pretty mysoginistic, dismissing or minimizing Women's claims.
Also there is the whole affluent vs poor(a good study controls for those factor via a variety of methods, sometimes these methods are inappropriate to the study, thus understanding the research methods and tools (usually takes a lot of schooling, Master's or Higher or a serious commitment to self learning) can make wading through academic studies impossible to the lay person.
This get's into reporting on Academic studies. The reporter is not an expert in the field, but has some knowledge. These types of articles on academic articles run the gamut from innocuous to outright harmful, with the reporter drawing conclusions that the study does not support. As they say "Alittle knowledge is a dangerous thing"
Yes, I opened my entrance into this thread very provocatively, and my argument style has often been summed as arrogant, pugnacious, trolling, ham-fisted and out right rude. This is who I am when I have a discussion (you should see an argument), but I rarely get people bringing actual research, accredited and from tier 1/2 journals to my discussions. Instead I get responses that employ logical fallacies, or attempts to engage in sophistry. It is this reason I argue so pugnaciously, I tend to ignore the arguments of sophists, I outright stop responding to people I believe are arguing in bad faith.
TL;DR Got a problem with the way i "discuss" serious topics on a drug forum, well I don't have time for that noise, so fuck off 
I agree with you that racism is wrong I just dont agree that the USA is systemically racist or that all gaps between groups are the result of injustice. So there is no need to call me racist. Go ahead and be as provocative and insulting as you want, I find those discussions unproductive but you do you. When you tar and feather people with awful titles like racist dishonestly thats just being a straight up defamatory jerk.
I see you're far too educated and smart to talk with people below you and anyone who disagrees with you in any way is the same as everyone else who disagrees with you and is automatically guulty of the same stuff.
I dont think thats going to solve any problems and I think that stuff leads to more problems and more division.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] 1
#26829395 - 07/17/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: Ice9]
#26829404 - 07/17/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said:
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pirate-blues said: All lives won't matter until black lives matter.
And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.
Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/
Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/
There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.

Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?
I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.
whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.
We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.
That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.
Even if we isolate this issue to just the US, you're still putting the struggles of black people over the struggles of every other group, I find that highly problematic. If you're truly concern about breeding division, you would stop putting the struggles of one group before the struggles of all other groups because it's the flavor of the month.
There was a small BLM march and rally in my town a few days ago, I can assure you it created more division and animosity rather than unity.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] 1
#26829560 - 07/17/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My life is only one that matters(to me), at least until I have it under control. Then I can worry about everyone else's
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: qman] 1
#26829937 - 07/17/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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@Amanita. Just sick of having the same dumb ass argument over and over again. I'm sick of no one willing to have a discussion in good faith. I'm fucking done with it all. I've said my piece and that's that. Do you have anything to actually contribute or we done here?
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pirate-blues said:
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qman said:
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pirate-blues said: All lives won't matter until black lives matter.
And the data says that they don't. Forget all the issues, forget all the semantics, black people die at higher rates, are incarcerated at higher rates, and live in far higher poverty.
Medical experts even believe that black women who lived through the Jim Crow era are more prone to severe breast cancer as a result of living through so much emotional stress. I am sure that there are other instances of this medically as well.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/jim-crow-breast-cancer-black-women/
Apparently black people are also less likely to trust medical professionals, and before anyone goes a'googlin' and points this out - the medical system has committed some real fucking atrocities in this last century against marginalized people and black folks were at the top of the list. It's almost like there's this thing called cause and effect that has far reaching consequences and ripples that can last years!!!!/s (okay, sorry, I'm digressing.)
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/
There are tons of oppressed people in this country. Yes men have to deal with certain things women don't(child custody, toxic masculinity causing lots of mental distress and issues, higher suicide, etc.), yes women have to deal with shit that men tend to not go through, people in poverty get their own shit end of the stick navigating through a system that just sees them as another disposable pleb, felons are stuck fighting against an entire machine that is working to profit off of their imprisonment and making bank on recidivism. There's a lot of injustice. A lot of it effects white people and men. Everyone is fighting a battle. We have to start fighting for each other if we want to make any real progress. I can care about black lives without being black, I can care about more than one thing at once(omg!!), but this is not about that. This is about black lives. And I stand by what I say when I say that all lives won't and certainly don't matter until black lives matter. It's fucking 2020 this shit has gone on long enough, I'm done with this bullshit. Black lives matter and fuck anyone who says otherwise or tries to breed division through semantics.

Really, the lives of impoverished people living in third world countries don't matter until you're satisfied with the first world living conditions of African Americans and their perceived injustices in the US?
I'm sorry, but you're now losing complete perspective of the battles humans face on a daily basis based on pure emotion instead of rational thought. There's always going to be some form of injustices regardless of the environment, getting hysterical and putting the injustices of a particular demographic over many others because it's the popular thing to do today doesn't serve any decent purpose in my opinion.
whelp you completely just misread everything so maybe go back and try again.
We're not talking about people in third world countries. We're talking about this country. Yes I care about those things, I've literally worked with nonprofits that directly help people all over fucking Africa in the most remote and impoverished regions, of course I care about those things.
That's not in the scope of what we're talking about. Sometimes you've got to drill down a bit and look at the shit you can control.
Even if we isolate this issue to just the US, you're still putting the struggles of black people over the struggles of every other group, I find that highly problematic. If you're truly concern about breeding division, you would stop putting the struggles of one group before the struggles of all other groups because it's the flavor of the month.
There was a small BLM march and rally in my town a few days ago, I can assure you it created more division and animosity rather than unity.
Showing solidarity for a movement is putting that ahead of other things how exactly? What are you doing for marginalized folks qman that you're soooo busy with that voicing support for a civil rights movement is such a detractor from? I'd love to know.
I can support and show solidarity for multiple things, all at once, and I can even care about multiple things all at once - it's amazing omg, I know. You should try it sometime.
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Internet debates are incredibly unproductive. Look at the politics forum. It's the same people arguing the same shit for the last five years or so.
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Yeah after so much wasted time I'm pretty sure I've changed exactly 0 people's minds. Though that's not even what I'm out to do, I just would like an honest and data driven discussion that is willing to acknowledge and work past both parties respective biases. Is that so much to ask for?!
...probably.
 
I know my first post in this thread came out boxing, but I'm just over it. Can't even entertain this dumb shit any more.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Internet debates are incredibly unproductive. Look at the politics forum. It's the same people arguing the same shit for the last five years or so.
There ain't a lot of arguing there anymore, it’s more of an echo chamber.
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You get those discussions all the time but you dismiss them because of your political bias.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: lowbrow] 1
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pirate-blues said: Yeah after so much wasted time I'm pretty sure I've changed exactly 0 people's minds. Though that's not even what I'm out to do, I just would like an honest and data driven discussion that is willing to acknowledge and work past both parties respective biases. Is that so much to ask for?!
...probably.
 
I know my first post in this thread came out boxing, but I'm just over it. Can't even entertain this dumb shit any more.
I just come here to goof off. Occasionally I'll get caught up in whatever hot topic and it's tiresome. Life's too short for all that.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Internet debates are incredibly unproductive. Look at the politics forum. It's the same people arguing the same shit for the last five years or so.
There ain't a lot of arguing there anymore, it’s more of an echo chamber.
If I'm being honest I haven't been in there, so my post on it was unfair. But, I believe you.
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Re: Black Lives Matter. [Re: lowbrow] 1
#26830006 - 07/18/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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lowbrow said: You get those discussions all the time but you dismiss them because of your political bias.
Once again, the lack of self awareness is just super impressive.
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And you wonder why nobody wants to have a ‘discussion’ with you.
When it comes to political bias you are one of the worst offenders around.
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Politics be damned those of us that will die are about to refuse to wear the mask without a monthly check.
Protest incoming. If you want us to starve we wont stop until everyone in the country has it.
Ok I'm joking but I bet some people are going to actually do that
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