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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822808 - 07/14/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You scared of black people?




Duh. They're 5x more likely to kill a person than a white person is.





See, this is where miscalculating crime statistics turn into racism.




Do the math yourself. It's not racism, it's facts.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822809 - 07/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822810 - 07/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The vast majority of black people who dont go around killing people aren't 5x more scary than other people.

Watch out with white people. They gas people in concentration camps.




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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: feevers]
    #26822813 - 07/14/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's almost like there's a whole lot more to the situation than the melanin content in someone's skin...





Exactly. Race is not the only relevant factor when we're talking about violent crime, and if we get too far bogged down in the race debate, we aren't paying attention to those other relevant factors, and nothing is going to change.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26822814 - 07/14/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822815 - 07/14/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

skin pigment is scary tho!  Forget the situation & context!  Systematically examining the human condition and the variations within it might be too hard for some to do well.

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26822818 - 07/14/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I greatly enjoy the sheer visual variety of people that exist. a feast for the eye.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822819 - 07/14/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Me 2.  It’s ornamentation.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822826 - 07/14/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

                        BLACK                                        WHITE

POPULATION    13%                                            76%     
MURDERS        4,188                                          5,025


You make them equal 100% to see the difference.

So you 100/13 for blacks. = 7.69

And 100/76 for whites.  =1.31

Multiple murders.

Black 7.69 x 4,188 = 32,205
White 1.31 x 5,025 = 6,582

32,205/6,582 = 4.89

So a black person is almost 5 times more likely to kill a man in the U.S. for that year.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822835 - 07/14/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.





So facts determining things make me racist? Okey dokey.

I treat everyone the same. I might not tell black people that they're violent but that's the only thing different I'll do. And I won't say nigga around black people that I'm not cool with, is that racist too?

Help me Asante.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
    #26822837 - 07/14/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The vast majority of black people who dont go around killing people aren't 5x more scary than other people.

Watch out with white people. They gas people in concentration camps.








Did I say that they're all the same? Nope. Never.

Did I say their culture is fucked. Yep. And I'll stick with it because it's true.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26822860 - 07/14/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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58% or violent crime is by whites in the U.S. according to your link. You added an extra 10%. 38% black.




There were 8,162,849 arrests for violent crime in 2017. 5,626,140 of those were white. 5,626,140 / 8,162,849 == .6892. That's 68.92%.

2,221,697 of the arrests were black. 2,221,697 / 8,162,849 == .2722. That's 27.22%.

I don't see any errors in my math...

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13% Of our country is black.
76% white.




By my math, it's 72% white and 13% black, but we may be looking at different data.

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So there is 5.8 times more white people. So if we times the crimes by blacks by 5.8 we get 875,000. So if the same amount of black people were in our country as white people there would be almost 3x the violent crimes.




That's a fallacy. We can't logically assume that the crime rate for the black population would maintain the same proportions if we inflated the population by a factor of 5.8. There are other factors at play that cause violent crime aside from a person's race. We have to look at the data that exists - we can't arbitrarily increase a population size and expect the number of violent crimes to remain the same within that population.

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Let's just look at murder.

They committed 53%. With 13% of the population.




No disagreement there.

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Edit- I did the math. A black person is 5x more likely to kill a person in the U.S. compared to a white person. Ouch.




Either we're not looking at the same data, or you're not calculating correctly.
There were 9,468 murders reported in the data. 4,188 of those were white perpetrators. 5,025 were black perpetrators. That's 44.2% of murders by white perpetrators and 53.1% of murders by black perpetrators.

53.1 / 44.2 == 1.2, so a black person was 1.2 times more likely to commit a murder in this data set, not 5 times more likely.

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So if you were to be killed by someone in the U.S., you have 80% chance it's going to be by a black person.




No... If you were murdered in 2017 in the US, there's a 53.1% chance it was a black person. There were 9,468 murders, 5,025 were black perpetrators. 5,025 / 9,468 == .531.

I don't want to say your math is off because you're not showing your work, but I arrived at 53.1% with the steps I just clearly showed, not 80%.

== BONUS SECTION ==
Since we gave so much attention to a specific violent crime (murder) where the statistics support your narrative, let's take a look at three other violent crimes from the same data set by race, just for fun.

= RAPE =
There were 18,063 rapes reported in 2017. 12,187 white perpetrators, 5,182 black perpetrators. That's 67.5% of rapes committed by white people, 28.7% of rapes committed by black people.
67.5 / 28.7 == 2.35

So, if you were raped in 2017, there's a 67.5% chance it was a white perpetrator.
White people were 2.35 times more likely to commit rape in 2017 than black people.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people to behave in a sexually appropriate manner?

= ARSON =
There were 7,086 arrests for arson in 2017. 5,051 of those were white people, 1,788 of those were black people. That's 71.3% of arson committed by white people, 25.2% of arson committed by black people.
71.3 / 25.2 == 2.83

So, if a building was deliberately burned to the ground in 2017, there's a 71.3% chance it was a white perpetrator.
White people were 2.83 times more likely to deliberately burn down a building in 2017 than black people.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people with our private property?

= DRIVING DRUNK =
There were 755,726 DUI arrests in 2017. 617,443 of those were white people, 105,585 of those were black people. That's 81.7% of DUI's by white people, 14% by black people.
81.7 / 14 == 5.84

So, if there was a drunk driver in 2017, there's an 81.7% chance they were white.
White people were 5.84 times more likely to drive drunk, putting hundreds of lives at risk, than black people in 2017.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people to consume alcohol? Or that we shouldn't trust white people to drive?

If you answered 'no' to any of the questions in this bonus section, then why do you answer 'yes' when it comes to murder?

== END BONUS SECTION ==

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I've hung out with black people all over the U.S. I've hitch hiked and hung out with thousands of all kinds of people. Great. Your bubble is different.

Most aren't.




I don't know how we would even go about collecting data on people's social experiences by race, but until such data exists, it's your anecdote vs. mine, which means nothing is proven in the end. Your statement that "Most aren't" has no evidence to support it other than your own experiences, which are just as valid as my experiences, and my experiences contradict yours.

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Call me racist, I'll just call you dumb.




Well, there are different degrees of racism, so don't take it as a complete condemnation of your character as a person - I still respect you as a human being, and I still think we can engage in civil debate (although, calling someone dumb just for disagreeing with you isn't very civil). As I said earlier, I don't think you're a Klansman or anything like that. You're just someone who sometimes says racist things on the internet. You're not calling out for violence or persecution against black people or anything like that. However, "I don't trust black people and that anyone who does is 'blind'" is a racist thing to say. It's not racist to the degree where you're inciting violence against anyone, but "black people are more violent" is a proposition I could easily see a Klansman use to justify a lynching.

If I'm dumb, then I guess I'm dumb. I still stand by everything I've said, and I leave it to whoever is reading this discussion to decide for themselves whether or not what I'm saying has any substance to it. I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind, but I think these issues matter a lot right now, and I think it's important that we discuss them.

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Now those 4 thumb ups that you got should feel pretty stupid too.




Well that's not a very nice thing to say.

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Stop being blind people. Blacks are violent compared to any other race in the U.S.




Violent crime is a very serious problem, obviously, but race is not the cause of violent crime. If we want violent crime to stop, we need to figure out what's causing violent crime in the first place. The more time we spend debating whether or not black people are inherently more violent than white people, the less time we spend discussing policy changes that we could make that might actually reduce violent crime in America.

I don't expect to change your mind on this, but I will still ask that you at least consider the possibility that there are other factors at play that cause violent crime aside from race. If you can accept that proposition, it opens a whole new (and more productive) type of debate.

EDIT: As I was writing this comment, I saw a few more comments you made. In one of them, you mentioned that you "hate being called a racist". Well, of course you do! Nobody likes being called a racist because racism is morally wrong. If you don't want to be called a racist, then stop saying racist things. If you refuse to do that, then I can't help you :shrug:

EDIT 2: In another comment, you mentioned that I "lost the argument". I would like to be perfectly clear that I don't engage in arguments to "win or lose". I engage in arguments to expand my own consciousness. If it turns out that I made a mistake, or that I was wrong about something, then that's great. When someone proves me wrong, it's an opportunity to learn - being proven wrong is sometimes the only way you can ever change your mind. In fact, I wish I was wrong about some of this stuff, because I believe racism is a serious problem in the US right now.




Dude, your math is beyond horrible.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: qman] * 1
    #26822917 - 07/14/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude, your math is beyond horrible.



I'm just as capable of making mistakes as anyone else. If you have the time, would you point out the specific errors I made? I don't want to be wrong. Telling me that I made a mistake doesn't help me get any better unless I know what mistake I made.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 4
    #26823024 - 07/14/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.





So facts determining things make me racist? Okey dokey.

I treat everyone the same. I might not tell black people that they're violent but that's the only thing different I'll do. And I won't say nigga around black people that I'm not cool with, is that racist too?

Help me Asante.



You're confused here.  Race is a social construct.  Race has no biological basis.  As a result, any difference between the races must be cultural/societal.  All your statistics prove is that people who are socially defined as being black are subjected to conditions that are more likely to lead to violent crime.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26823045 - 07/14/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that ^ That's the thing.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26823061 - 07/14/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.





So facts determining things make me racist? Okey dokey.

I treat everyone the same. I might not tell black people that they're violent but that's the only thing different I'll do. And I won't say nigga around black people that I'm not cool with, is that racist too?

Help me Asante.



You're confused here.  Race is a social construct.  Race has no biological basis.  As a result, any difference between the races must be cultural/societal.  All your statistics prove is that people who are socially defined as being black are subjected to conditions that are more likely to lead to violent crime.





So you're saying people aren't actually different colors but society just sees them as black with something other than their eyes?


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
    #26823062 - 07/14/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It almost sounds like you’re saying people aren’t accountable for their own actions when you say it like that..


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26823077 - 07/14/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.





So facts determining things make me racist? Okey dokey.

I treat everyone the same. I might not tell black people that they're violent but that's the only thing different I'll do. And I won't say nigga around black people that I'm not cool with, is that racist too?

Help me Asante.



You're confused here.  Race is a social construct.  Race has no biological basis.  As a result, any difference between the races must be cultural/societal.  All your statistics prove is that people who are socially defined as being black are subjected to conditions that are more likely to lead to violent crime.



I agree and the conclusion that you should be afraid of all black people because of it is racist pure and simple. If you don't see a problem with prejudging every black person you meet based on the worst neighborhoods in America due to economic status differences then you my be part of the problem.


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    #26823079 - 07/14/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Did I say their culture is fucked. Yep. And I'll stick with it because it's true.





American white culture could use a touchup with New Car Scent too, just saying.


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    #26823084 - 07/14/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Distorted Vision said:
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Asante said:
Loud and clear: If crime statistics alter your attitude towards a race, you are being racist.





So facts determining things make me racist? Okey dokey.

I treat everyone the same. I might not tell black people that they're violent but that's the only thing different I'll do. And I won't say nigga around black people that I'm not cool with, is that racist too?

Help me Asante.



You're confused here.  Race is a social construct.  Race has no biological basis.  As a result, any difference between the races must be cultural/societal.  All your statistics prove is that people who are socially defined as being black are subjected to conditions that are more likely to lead to violent crime.




Finally.  Took 8 pages for someone to point it out that important distinction p.  It’s so elementary people often forget/miss it.  Facts.

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