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Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet?
    #26820917 - 07/13/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't it better to have bulk substate wetter than field capacity, and instead have looser polyfill for more fae? Feels logical that it would create more evaporation? I googled cubensis in nature, and as you can see in the pictures it seems to be very wet where they grow (and in open air). And the fruits look really big.



I think if you pour a lot of water into your coir / verm, so that some water flows when you press with your hands (instead of barely dripping), then the bulk substrate should be over-wet, right. And if you then put your polyfill as usual, it gets way too wet in the monotube. But, if you make the polyfill very loose and let more FAE come in - together with the over-wet bulk substrate - then it should result in a lot of evaporation while it gets a lot of air? And that's what cubensis likes, right? Wet with a lot of air?

What do you think about that?


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26820950 - 07/13/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You're overthinking it. Stick to a tek. More water also means sitting water, bacteria loves stagnant water which is what that extra water will become. It wont all evaporate. In nature everything isnt sterile and nature has plenty of ways which just makes things work.

In a sterile lab, when you have sitting water, bacteria can thrive and when everything is sterile theres no natural combatants to fight off the growing bacteria. If you were outside growing, yes that would work. When you are inside keeping things sterile, you remove the "good bacteria" from the picture thus allowing whatever does appear in the sterile environment to flourish.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26821164 - 07/13/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

1.in nature mycelium networks are way bigger than we think the largest the Humongous Fungus. It's an organism that covers 2,385 acres, also mycelium is connected with roots of some tree and plants they transport nutrients between different plants in return they get glucose. in labs or small rooms that does not exist. all we have one species of mycelium and providing conditions to dominate over bacteria and still get infections.

2. there are bacteria that coexists with mycelium and there are bacteria that use mycelium as food to combat it mycelium produce ethanol and still die out in labs or room.

3.creating conditions of nature thats all we can do in lab, but creating nature in lab or room thats impossible. thats the reason we have so many teks behind those tek people experiment and experiment and produce a result that works.

4.over wet substrate even in pf tek it causes bacterial infection and in some cases green monster. fact is wet substrate invites contams and then adding some source of FAE to keep evaporation at constant rate well thats a start of new tek and if you have time you can experiment a lot.but even then contams love still water so does green monster.

5.why field capacity? mushrooms are 90% water so why not give them all the water they need? again it comes down to bacteria. the reason we keep substrate at field capacity so myceliun can use moisture and fight bacteria and when its too wet in nature mycelium transport water to other parts since they are way too big. in lab there is no way to transport extra moisture. there are post on this websites where people got side pins only nothing in middle and answer is usually water uneven distribution. people use fan to increase evaporation end up having dry substrate and mono tubs with no holes and got success with substrate at field capacity.

6. the reason we have so many tek those are experiments did by people took notes did it again trail and error and then got results. this community has experimented more than any other and came up with crazy, weird ways that work and produce results.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: pesa] * 1
    #26821177 - 07/13/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Over hydration usually leads to smaller mushrooms for some reason.

Like mentioned before bacteria thrive in the real wetness but the real problem I see is colonization. When it’s drier the myc just rips right through it and nothing else has a chance but when it’s wet it’s sluggish and takes longer which leads to contamination.

In mush cult, at least how we do it here, you’re sterilizing and pasteurizing to create a window of time. If your myc can colonize 100% in that window then you’re good but if it’s too slow the window is gone and the other things have a chance. So speed is where it’s at. Then you add water later.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26821542 - 07/13/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You're probably right.. I'm overthinking it. But what is field capacity for you? Is it when you squeeze really hard and there are only a few drops? Or do you add more water than that? I have read different opinions about it. Feel like you get confused when you read too much, there are so many different opinions


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26822398 - 07/14/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

For me I’ve been prepping pretty dry. I’ve been using 650g coir (weighed out) 300g of fine vermiculite or about 250g of coarse and 2.75 qt water, or 11 cups. Even that recipe can come out a little wet with that real fine verm. A hard squeeze will bring water up in between your fingers, it may or may not drip out.

Then I make my subs at 1:1 and save an extra .5 bulk as a top layer and mist the shit out of the top layer. Soak it with 30-40 sprays. That gives the sub enough total water and it’s in an area that promotes top pinning.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #26822658 - 07/14/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

but the coco coir is just pasteurized not sterile. which means there should be some bacteria left


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26822668 - 07/14/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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For me I’ve been prepping pretty dry. I’ve been using 650g coir (weighed out) 300g of fine vermiculite or about 250g of coarse and 2.75 qt water, or 11 cups. Even that recipe can come out a little wet with that real fine verm. A hard squeeze will bring water up in between your fingers, it may or may not drip out.

Then I make my subs at 1:1 and save an extra .5 bulk as a top layer and mist the shit out of the top layer. Soak it with 30-40 sprays. That gives the sub enough total water and it’s in an area that promotes top pinning.




To mist the top layer sounds promising, I never done that. Don't you get too much water drops on the substrate? Or is that a good thing?


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26822729 - 07/14/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Check this thread out - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662

I haven’t done any large tubs with this method but I can say it works great for shoe boxes. That heavy misting, some of it does soak down into the rest of the sub and you’re left with the perfect moisture content up top. As the myc colonized the top layer it should be lightly beaded with water up until the first flush. If it’s drying out or water is pooling you may have to make adjustments. Less air moving in the room if it’s drying out, unlatch the lid if water is pooling or move more room air etc.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26822745 - 07/14/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Check this thread out - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662

I haven’t done any large tubs with this method but I can say it works great for shoe boxes. That heavy misting, some of it does soak down into the rest of the sub and you’re left with the perfect moisture content up top. As the myc colonized the top layer it should be lightly beaded with water up until the first flush. If it’s drying out or water is pooling you may have to make adjustments. Less air moving in the room if it’s drying out, unlatch the lid if water is pooling or move more room air etc.




Thanks bro :smile:


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26822772 - 07/14/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Np man. Peep these -

My favorite pic. That was my first try with that SFF shoe box method and they just keep coming along.


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26823915 - 07/14/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Np man. Peep these -

My favorite pic. That was my first try with that SFF shoe box method and they just keep coming along.




Looks really nice bro. What is the difference between one like that and a monotube as used for Damion50 / 50 tek? Which one is best?


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Re: Regarding field capacity and evaporation. Nature is wet? [Re: shroomening]
    #26824488 - 07/15/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There isn’t too much difference. These are all descendants of the OG Ohmatic monotub. Spawning to bulk in a single tub where the sub provides its own humidity, if you make sure the sub gets enough fresh air you’re at the pinnacle of cube growage.

The difference between a monotub and shoe box is just size. I do 1 qt spawn per shoe box instead of 4-6 per mono. I prep drier and mist the top layer but you could do that with either setup. It’s all just personal preference and what works for you. With shoe boxes you can use single qt jars so no two ever mix and you never suffer from the “bad apple” effect where one bad jar ruins a tub for all the others.

I don’t use any holes in the shoe boxes, they seem to suck air into them somehow. With monos I never tried unmodified so I can’t comment but they seem to work for some people. Most monos have 6 holes though, two on each long side - just above sub level and a few inches in from the edges. And one hole high up in each short side - centered.


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