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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] * 3
    #26822716 - 07/14/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So your solution is for them to pick up guns? When that is literally their fucking problem! What's being done to them is by their own people more than by cops! Just as always. They sold their own people. Go fight Africa for that. Why aren't they mad at themselves ever? Why must they always blame?

Seriously. If they stopped killing each other so much and killing in general, we wouldn't have this fucking problem. All groups of people have gone through shit. The only difference is that the other groups of people don't blame everything on everyone else like a lot of black Americans do.

It's pathetic. Cops kill all races and I'm glad that maybe something will be done about that. But no group of people is good at coming together and complaining while not fixing the problem like black Americans are.

Truth hurts. No one can change their history. No one can change the Jews history. I don't hear them crying still.


And Tyrannical. Great point. The ones that want to complain and not get better will stay that way. They want to be different. They want to blame. Maybe try to be like the people that are successful? No they want to sound cool and tough. They want to sound violent and uneducated.

:shrug:

But it's my fault I guess because I'm white.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822726 - 07/14/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I was also stating that even whites and non whites and all colors in between do those things, it's weird to me. I don't get the appeal.:shrug: It's a worldwide thing it seems.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26822730 - 07/14/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Why do some people of color (poor/poorer people period really, in certain areas of towns all over the USA) that get an education and integrate into the business world or working world of teaching or some jobs that require a BA or more enunciate their words differently? i.e: "talk like a white person". They may have come from very poor backgrounds in section 8 housing and grew up with the "ghetto lingo" with tone inflection and certain words being perpetuated seemingly to keep people in a certain place by their own friends and family. An example would be if someone gets educated or wants to go to collage and get out of that way of being/lifestyle/neighborhood they are pretty much a target for bullying and other negative things by some of their peers, friends, and family. Does a Harvard grad (or any collage with some clout, they all mostly do, but that one in particular is a strong example) that is a person of color say to another business partner "oops, my bad", "did you axe them tho'?", and turn plural words into singular words and vice versa? Why is bad grammar, and speaking/acting a certain way perpetuated and even celebrated among certain groups of people white and non white?

"Carlton" would be good example of this.




Language norms and dialects are pretty fluid, I think people usually conform to those around them and can even go back and forth between ways of speaking depending on who they're with. They may not even be conscious of it.

I used to work with a gay guy who I ran into once talking to one of his friends in the parking lot... his voice was many octaves higher and suddenly he had a lisp while speaking to his friend. When he saw me he looked embarrassed like I had caught him doing something wrong, I was just surprised because usually he was this hardass with a super deep voice :lol:. I notice myself talking with far more of a Boston accent depending on whether I'm hanging out with some townies or giving a presentation in grad school


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26822733 - 07/14/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I was also stating that even whites and non whites and all colors in between do those things, it's weird to me. I don't get the appeal.:shrug: It's a worldwide thing it seems.





Yeah whites that want to fit in and sound tough do it too. It's stupid.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822738 - 07/14/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Homo sapiens, we all are.

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: feevers]
    #26822743 - 07/14/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Why do some people of color (poor/poorer people period really, in certain areas of towns all over the USA) that get an education and integrate into the business world or working world of teaching or some jobs that require a BA or more enunciate their words differently? i.e: "talk like a white person". They may have come from very poor backgrounds in section 8 housing and grew up with the "ghetto lingo" with tone inflection and certain words being perpetuated seemingly to keep people in a certain place by their own friends and family. An example would be if someone gets educated or wants to go to collage and get out of that way of being/lifestyle/neighborhood they are pretty much a target for bullying and other negative things by some of their peers, friends, and family. Does a Harvard grad (or any collage with some clout, they all mostly do, but that one in particular is a strong example) that is a person of color say to another business partner "oops, my bad", "did you axe them tho'?", and turn plural words into singular words and vice versa? Why is bad grammar, and speaking/acting a certain way perpetuated and even celebrated among certain groups of people white and non white?

"Carlton" would be good example of this.




Language norms and dialects are pretty fluid, I think people usually conform to those around them and can even go back and forth between ways of speaking depending on who they're with. They may not even be conscious of it.

I used to work with a gay guy who I ran into once talking to one of his friends in the parking lot... his voice was many octaves higher and suddenly he had a lisp while speaking to his friend. When he saw me he looked embarrassed like I had caught him doing something wrong, I was just surprised because usually he was this hardass with a super deep voice :lol:. I notice myself talking with far more of a Boston accent depending on whether I'm hanging out with some townies or giving a presentation in grad school



Yep! I have noticed it in the "gay world" as well. BUT, people seem to be able to control they way in which they speak after training themselves. The movie "Six Degrees Of Separation" is a good example of how a person acts, dresses, speaks, and even walks can be something people are ostracized or praised for. A person can get into another "world" by simply conforming to certain things. Is that "giving up who they truly are", or is it progressing? :confused:

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26822746 - 07/14/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

See, “Should Use They Own English?” Essay


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26822753 - 07/14/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

one result,lol.

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What should colleges teach - Write your Essay Nowwriteyouressaynow.com › what-should-colleges-teach

It's not a foreign language, it's tone, inflection, gestures, etc...that can be changed to fit a more mainstream way of communicating, oh wait, I think I just got an answer when I wrote this!


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26822755 - 07/14/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, humans always want to fit in. It's interesting.

But if you want to talk so different that people in your own country can't understand you and get surprised that you're judged by that, then I guess there's no helping you.

:shrug:


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 1
    #26822759 - 07/14/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For a bunch of animals I think we’re doing decent jerb at keeping it all together, esp. considering no one really knows what any of this all is.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 2
    #26822761 - 07/14/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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58% or violent crime is by whites in the U.S. according to your link. You added an extra 10%. 38% black.




There were 8,162,849 arrests for violent crime in 2017. 5,626,140 of those were white. 5,626,140 / 8,162,849 == .6892. That's 68.92%.

2,221,697 of the arrests were black. 2,221,697 / 8,162,849 == .2722. That's 27.22%.

I don't see any errors in my math...

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13% Of our country is black.
76% white.




By my math, it's 72% white and 13% black, but we may be looking at different data.

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So there is 5.8 times more white people. So if we times the crimes by blacks by 5.8 we get 875,000. So if the same amount of black people were in our country as white people there would be almost 3x the violent crimes.




That's a fallacy. We can't logically assume that the crime rate for the black population would maintain the same proportions if we inflated the population by a factor of 5.8. There are other factors at play that cause violent crime aside from a person's race. We have to look at the data that exists - we can't arbitrarily increase a population size and expect the number of violent crimes to remain the same within that population.

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Let's just look at murder.

They committed 53%. With 13% of the population.




No disagreement there.

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Edit- I did the math. A black person is 5x more likely to kill a person in the U.S. compared to a white person. Ouch.




Either we're not looking at the same data, or you're not calculating correctly.
There were 9,468 murders reported in the data. 4,188 of those were white perpetrators. 5,025 were black perpetrators. That's 44.2% of murders by white perpetrators and 53.1% of murders by black perpetrators.

53.1 / 44.2 == 1.2, so a black person was 1.2 times more likely to commit a murder in this data set, not 5 times more likely.

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So if you were to be killed by someone in the U.S., you have 80% chance it's going to be by a black person.




No... If you were murdered in 2017 in the US, there's a 53.1% chance it was a black person. There were 9,468 murders, 5,025 were black perpetrators. 5,025 / 9,468 == .531.

I don't want to say your math is off because you're not showing your work, but I arrived at 53.1% with the steps I just clearly showed, not 80%.

== BONUS SECTION ==
Since we gave so much attention to a specific violent crime (murder) where the statistics support your narrative, let's take a look at three other violent crimes from the same data set by race, just for fun.

= RAPE =
There were 18,063 rapes reported in 2017. 12,187 white perpetrators, 5,182 black perpetrators. That's 67.5% of rapes committed by white people, 28.7% of rapes committed by black people.
67.5 / 28.7 == 2.35

So, if you were raped in 2017, there's a 67.5% chance it was a white perpetrator.
White people were 2.35 times more likely to commit rape in 2017 than black people.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people to behave in a sexually appropriate manner?

= ARSON =
There were 7,086 arrests for arson in 2017. 5,051 of those were white people, 1,788 of those were black people. That's 71.3% of arson committed by white people, 25.2% of arson committed by black people.
71.3 / 25.2 == 2.83

So, if a building was deliberately burned to the ground in 2017, there's a 71.3% chance it was a white perpetrator.
White people were 2.83 times more likely to deliberately burn down a building in 2017 than black people.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people with our private property?

= DRIVING DRUNK =
There were 755,726 DUI arrests in 2017. 617,443 of those were white people, 105,585 of those were black people. That's 81.7% of DUI's by white people, 14% by black people.
81.7 / 14 == 5.84

So, if there was a drunk driver in 2017, there's an 81.7% chance they were white.
White people were 5.84 times more likely to drive drunk, putting hundreds of lives at risk, than black people in 2017.
Should we now conclude that we shouldn't trust white people to consume alcohol? Or that we shouldn't trust white people to drive?

If you answered 'no' to any of the questions in this bonus section, then why do you answer 'yes' when it comes to murder?

== END BONUS SECTION ==

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I've hung out with black people all over the U.S. I've hitch hiked and hung out with thousands of all kinds of people. Great. Your bubble is different.

Most aren't.




I don't know how we would even go about collecting data on people's social experiences by race, but until such data exists, it's your anecdote vs. mine, which means nothing is proven in the end. Your statement that "Most aren't" has no evidence to support it other than your own experiences, which are just as valid as my experiences, and my experiences contradict yours.

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Call me racist, I'll just call you dumb.




Well, there are different degrees of racism, so don't take it as a complete condemnation of your character as a person - I still respect you as a human being, and I still think we can engage in civil debate (although, calling someone dumb just for disagreeing with you isn't very civil). As I said earlier, I don't think you're a Klansman or anything like that. You're just someone who sometimes says racist things on the internet. You're not calling out for violence or persecution against black people or anything like that. However, "I don't trust black people and that anyone who does is 'blind'" is a racist thing to say. It's not racist to the degree where you're inciting violence against anyone, but "black people are more violent" is a proposition I could easily see a Klansman use to justify a lynching.

If I'm dumb, then I guess I'm dumb. I still stand by everything I've said, and I leave it to whoever is reading this discussion to decide for themselves whether or not what I'm saying has any substance to it. I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind, but I think these issues matter a lot right now, and I think it's important that we discuss them.

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Now those 4 thumb ups that you got should feel pretty stupid too.




Well that's not a very nice thing to say.

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Stop being blind people. Blacks are violent compared to any other race in the U.S.




Violent crime is a very serious problem, obviously, but race is not the cause of violent crime. If we want violent crime to stop, we need to figure out what's causing violent crime in the first place. The more time we spend debating whether or not black people are inherently more violent than white people, the less time we spend discussing policy changes that we could make that might actually reduce violent crime in America.

I don't expect to change your mind on this, but I will still ask that you at least consider the possibility that there are other factors at play that cause violent crime aside from race. If you can accept that proposition, it opens a whole new (and more productive) type of debate.

EDIT: As I was writing this comment, I saw a few more comments you made. In one of them, you mentioned that you "hate being called a racist". Well, of course you do! Nobody likes being called a racist because racism is morally wrong. If you don't want to be called a racist, then stop saying racist things. If you refuse to do that, then I can't help you :shrug:

EDIT 2: In another comment, you mentioned that I "lost the argument". I would like to be perfectly clear that I don't engage in arguments to "win or lose". I engage in arguments to expand my own consciousness. If it turns out that I made a mistake, or that I was wrong about something, then that's great. When someone proves me wrong, it's an opportunity to learn - being proven wrong is sometimes the only way you can ever change your mind. In fact, I wish I was wrong about some of this stuff, because I believe racism is a serious problem in the US right now.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 3
    #26822783 - 07/14/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Your patience with Distorted is very admirable


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26822786 - 07/14/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Noteworthy n00b is noted :grin:


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26822789 - 07/14/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Shit I did fuck up when I said the 80% thing. The black people being 5x more likely to kill a person still stands true. You have to multiply black murders by 7.7 because they're 13% of the population. And you have to multiply white murders by 1.3 because whites are 76% of the country. To make it equal 100%.

That's 6,582 for white and 32,247 for black. You have to make them the same to see the difference in population.

So a black person is 5x more likely to kill a person. The 80% shit is stupid and I fucked up.

Sorry about that I'm decently high.


It's still 58% violent crimes by white people though. 37% black. It literally does the math for you on that link you gave me.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822792 - 07/14/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You scared of black people?


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26822797 - 07/14/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You scared of black people?




Duh. They're 5x more likely to kill a person than a white person is.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26822798 - 07/14/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Apparently, hella, even when decently high.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822802 - 07/14/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You scared of black people?




Duh. They're 5x more likely to kill a person than a white person is.




Suck for you .  Hopefully one day you can negate all illusions and see human nature for what it is, regardless of skin appearance.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822805 - 07/14/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You scared of black people?




Duh. They're 5x more likely to kill a person than a white person is.





See, this is where miscalculating crime statistics turn into racism.

The vast majority of black people who dont go around killing people aren't 5x more scary than other people.

Watch out with white people. They gas people in concentration camps.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26822806 - 07/14/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't suck for me. I don't tell them that they're more violent in real life because they'd shoot me or beat my ass.

I still like hanging out with them, they're fun as hell.


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