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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: qman] * 1
    #26821551 - 07/13/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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*responds twice furiously to the same comment to chop it into firewood*





Whatever man, attack the strawman you're setting up all you want. In your posts I see the fucked upness of America at this point in time, reflected.

And you can say "what fucked upness wtf" but thats not going to change nothing.

Every form of protest black people take, no matter how peaceful or restrained, is "wrong".

So why be peaceful and restrained?

Minorities should arm themselves, only then will they get respected.

Jewstress says Martin Luther King, I say Malcolm X.

Let black people get armed in great numbers, apply for conceiled carry in great numbers, the works.

Its a bad time to be an unarmed minority in America.

All minorities should arm up to stand their ground if needed.







"So why be peaceful and restrained?"

Against what exactly?

"Minorities should arm themselves"

That's basically insinuating that non-whites aren't armed, why would you make that suggestion?

"Its a bad time to be an unarmed minority in America"

How so exactly?




Probably because 1. the media rarely portrays POC or minorities with firearms.

And 2. There's few of them represented in the NRA

And 3. stereotypes are fun kids!









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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26821558 - 07/13/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fwiw I know 2 trans women who are gun owners.

1 for personal protection 1 just because she likes them.

I am not a gun owner.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26821771 - 07/13/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Black people commit way more violent crimes in America on average compared to white people. Their culture and music include violence and disrespect and that's what they look up to. I've hung out with big groups of black people enough to know that they're much more concerned about the color of someone's skin than most groups are.

When I hang out with a lot of Mexicans, I never feel threatened. I love Mexicans. Black people usually make me uncomfortable because they literally don't shut up about about light skinned niggas, house niggas, crackas, white boys, etc.

I have heard a lot of black folk share the same concerns. A lot of black people know their culture is fucked and it's hilarious that other people that haven't hung out with more than 5 black people in America have any opinion on the matter.

Black people are fun, but I don't trust them in general compared to other races. Not because I'm racist but because I'm not blind. People don't really mess with black people or treat them badly because they know how violent they are.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #26821978 - 07/13/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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To nonagon (+5forKGATLW):




Fuck yeah, King Gizz is the shit.

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Pointing out that black people buy 1000 rounds of ammo is to show the irrelevance of the race of person buying ammo.  I'm not saying black people buying 1000s of ammo is bad or has anything wrong with it or needs to be addressed.  I'm demonstrating his double-standard, not mine.  If it was just a call to non-violence, he wouldn't have needed to specify the race of the person buying it.




Sure, I can agree that hoarding ammo is not inherently tied up with race. I think we're on the same page there.

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I'd prefer to live in a non-violent world but I know I live in a world where people gang-rape and murder each other and kidnap autistic kids and facebook livestream rapes and torture and people record themselves attacking people and committing crimes for the purpose of selling the video and making money off it so fuck that stock up on weapons by all means. 



I would also like to live in a non-violent world. I consider myself a pacifist. That said, I'm also a realist, and I am not in denial about the horrific things that are broadcast daily across all media platforms. Still, I don't believe that I will be doing any good by stocking up on weaponry personally - note the "I" there. I respect the human right to own a weapon, but I choose not to do so because I, personally, don't want to ever use violence. I know that's not the most popular point of view in the US, but if enough people adopted the view that I have (not saying that's likely or anything), the world would be a less violent place. I basically see it as being an example of the type of person I'd like to see more of in the world.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26822038 - 07/13/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Its a good thing we have OP to help us not be duped by the liberal agenda amirite boys




You mean you?
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There's been too many black people killed in their cars during a pull over for a busted tail light or something like that, not drugs.




That is media inflation.  That number is actually pretty avarage.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 1
    #26822045 - 07/13/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Black people commit way more violent crimes in America on average compared to white people. Their culture and music include violence and disrespect and that's what they look up to. I've hung out with big groups of black people enough to know that they're much more concerned about the color of someone's skin than most groups are.

When I hang out with a lot of Mexicans, I never feel threatened. I love Mexicans. Black people usually make me uncomfortable because they literally don't shut up about about light skinned niggas, house niggas, crackas, white boys, etc.

I have heard a lot of black folk share the same concerns. A lot of black people know their culture is fucked and it's hilarious that other people that haven't hung out with more than 5 black people in America have any opinion on the matter.

Black people are fun, but I don't trust them in general compared to other races. Not because I'm racist but because I'm not blind. People don't really mess with black people or treat them badly because they know how violent they are.




I know what youer saying and ive felt the same way but those black people who are fun and untrust worthy are just a portion of a certain demographic of black people, in your case you live in a bubble where those you describe are all concentrated in your bubble. We all live in bubbles btw.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #26822051 - 07/13/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone with street culture or gang culture drilled into their brains is scary asf.

We have mass exodus from slave states and continued racism in housing and in the job market to thank for putting a bulk of that on black people.

But growing up on street culture is not a uniquely black thing. When people talk about white privilege I see it mostly in who can more easily get out of those environments. Who has family, who has leniency in the justice system, who has cultures that more easily adopt them.



Alot of former white gangsters I know of are more likely to be adopted in nu hippie culture. Which is indeed a privilege. Turning to the brighter side of drug use and peddling.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: trees]
    #26822053 - 07/13/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26822054 - 07/13/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Minorities are armed.
How do you think minorities kill eachother by the thousands every year across America?
Chicago alone usually has 600-700 murders a year, majority by minorities.
They get no respect. They are feared instead which makes everything even worse.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Distorted Vision] * 4
    #26822075 - 07/13/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Distorted Vision said:
Black people commit way more violent crimes in America on average compared to white people.




The data disagrees with your hyperbolic statement.
According to that data, 68.9 percent of violent crime in the US is committed by white people. If you're doubting it, you can read the methodology behind collecting the data by clicking the "Data Delcaration" link at the top of that page. I don't see any problems with their methods. They pulled crime data from over 12,000 law enforcement agencies all across the US.

"Yeah, but aren't there more white people in the US anyway?" you might ask?
Well:
There are about 237,188,488 white people in the US. Out of them, 5,626,140 were arrested for violent crime in 2017 (the last time a study of this scale was completed on crime-by-race).
There are about 41,281,115 black people in the US. Out of them, 2,221,697 were arrested for violent crime in 2017.

If you don't have a calculator handy, that's 2.37% of all the white people in the US that were arrested for violent crime, and 5.38% of all black people in the US that were arrested for violent crime. So, yes. Statistically, it is more likely that you committed a violent crime in 2017 if you are black than if you are white. However, saying that black people commit way more violent crime is just not true. We're talking about a difference of about 3 percent here.

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Their culture and music include violence and disrespect and that's what they look up to.




Yeah, because, clearly, there's never been music made by white people that portrays violence.
And, clearly, there's never been music made by black people that portrays messages of peace and love.
/sarcasm


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I've hung out with big groups of black people enough to know that they're much more concerned about the color of someone's skin than most groups are. When I hang out with a lot of Mexicans, I never feel threatened. I love Mexicans. Black people usually make me uncomfortable because they literally don't shut up about about light skinned niggas, house niggas, crackas, white boys, etc.




Cool story, bro. I've hung out with groups of black people, too, and I've never seen any of my friends "literally not shut up about light skinned niggas, house niggas, crackas, white boys, etc.", so I guess it's your anecdotal story vs. my anecdotal story and nothing is proven in the end either way :shrug:


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A lot of black people know their culture is fucked and it's hilarious that other people that haven't hung out with more than 5 black people in America have any opinion on the matter.




I would never deny that black culture has it's own unique set of problems, but you could say that about literally any culture in human history. Humans aren't perfect, and no culture that we could create is going to be free of problems. Also, consider the fact that a large part of the resulting black culture we see today in the US is rooted in centuries of slavery and racial injustice, and maybe you'll start to have some more empathy for those problems rather than just seeing their culture as "fucked". Keep in mind that white culture is rooted in the other side of that coin - by that I'm saying that white culture today is rooted in white history, which involves a lot of slavery, genocide, segregation, and more. Isn't that also "fucked"?

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Black people are fun, but I don't trust them in general compared to other races.




That is racist. I'm not going to sugar coat it, and I'm not afraid of calling you out on it. Race conflict isn't going to get any better unless racist comments like this get called out for what they are. That is a racist thing to say. If you don't agree with me, then I think your narrative about black people being "more violent" is clouding your reasoning skills.


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People don't really mess with black people or treat them badly because they know how violent they are.




No, I don't mess with black people because messing with people is a shitty thing to do, regardless of the color of their skin. If you believe the only thing stopping us from treating one another with respect is fear of violence, then I think that our disagreement is more than skin deep (see what I did there?).

Look, dude, I'm not saying you're a Klansman or anything like that, but you are saying some racist stuff. It's pretty clear you have a narrative about black people (seems like your general consensus is that they're "more violent" than other races), and I'm saying that this narrative is inaccurate. The hard data disagrees with you, my own experiences contradict your experiences. I'm not buying anything you say, and I think it's really important that you reflect on this discussion and reconsider how you're thinking about these things. I don't believe that you are going to go out there and lynch someone or anything like that, but it's worth noting that the people who lynch black people use the same (blatantly false) claims to justify their lynching that you are using to justify your distrust of them.

"We gotta lynch them for our protection - to send a message! After all, they're more violent than we are, so we have to do something now."

I just can't sit idly by and let you get away with asserting that black people are "more violent" than other races. Just think about it, please.

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26822104 - 07/13/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, like your math is way off with your own numbers. :shrug:


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: qman]
    #26822115 - 07/13/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Instead of debate this here, I'm going to go do something positive with my life.

Like not engage in fruitless conversation. What will come of any of this other than more division?

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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26822116 - 07/13/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Im trying to figure out what you think you’re justifying by posting those statistics because they are not in your favor at all.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: lowbrow]
    #26822123 - 07/13/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You mean you?


why on earth do you want to give me credit for helping you not be duped by the liberal media agenda? the OP did all the heavy lifting amirite boys


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: morrowasted]
    #26822135 - 07/13/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m actually calling you a mouth piece for the liberal media agenda, but I think you know that.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26822214 - 07/14/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's something a very narrow minded fox news far right FB meme loyalist would say and do say constantly. It's a bunch of bullshit that Donald Trump made up to discredit liberal citizens of america that don't watch biased orgs like CNN or MSNBC but know Donald Trump is a terrible president. So he says we are evil and that all the bad things that happen under HIS presidency is somehow magically the Democrats faults. I'm not even going to be able to change your mind because you have that conversation blocker of you're just a puppet man of the MSM MAGA!COVID party where 99% of cases are "totally harmless"!! Woop wooo let's all go cough in each other's faces while pretending to give a shit about doctors,nurses,patients families and dead people. Fuck off with that MSM bullshit I've personally from trumps action, so has my family and friends in one way or another. We are the only first world country or now even 3rd world country in covid cases and the moron  didn't care so we're only a few days ago that was just at a military Hospital. Overwhelmingly Trump supporters especially have been not taking the pandemic seriously, protesting masks  and causing WAY more suffering then need be for politics. The states that followed his lead and opened early are the worlds hotspots and you blame the Democrats? It's insane


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26822218 - 07/14/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You only have to take a quick glance at the Democratic Party and Dem cities during the riots to see they’re incapable of running anything, even their mouths in Biden’s case.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Amanita86]
    #26822225 - 07/14/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You only have to take a quick glance at the Democratic Party and Dem cities during the riots to see they’re incapable of running anything, even their mouths in Biden’s case.



Sure there has been stupid liberal cities and is still i dont deny that except the biggest explosion in cases has been in Florida, Texas,Arizona and many many other red states even California is getting hit harder then it should because shockingly we have a mix of liberals and republicans and not wearing masks and letting San Diego have no masks and packed beaches has led to disaster all avoidable under a true federal response.If the president would have done his job correctly there would be a federal response to Covid instead of leaving states to fend for themselves which falls on the president's shoulders. If democrats are told to call the shots you can't bitch when they do.


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26822229 - 07/14/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So them failing at their job is Trump’s fault..:thatsinteresting:


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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: qman] * 1
    #26822236 - 07/14/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hmm, like your math is way off with your own numbers. :shrug:



What error, specifically, did I make? If I made a mistake, I would legitimately love to be corrected. I like to base my opinions in facts.

Here were the assertions I made, mathematically:
  • There were 8,162,849 arrests for violent crime in 2017. 5,626,140 of those were white. 5,626,140 / 8,162,849 == .6892 (68.92% of the arrests for violent crime in 2017 were white perpetrators.)
  • There are 237,188,488 white people in the US. 5,626,140 of them were arrested in 2017 for violent crime. 5,626,140 / 237,188,488 == .0237 (2.37% of white Americans were arrested for violent crime in 2017)
  • There are 41,281,115 black people in the US. 2,221,697 of them were arrested in 2017 for violent crime. 2,221,697 / 41,281,115 == .0528 (5.38% of black Americans were arrested for violent crime in 2017)


I don't see any errors, but maybe you're seeing something I overlooked?

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Im trying to figure out what you think you’re justifying by posting those statistics because they are not in your favor at all.




Please, let me clear it up. If we're going to have a rational debate, we need to be on the same page:
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Black people commit way more violent crimes in America on average compared to white people.




I was using those statistics to demonstrate that the above quote is wildly hyperbolic.

Yes, on average, black people commit more violent crimes in America than white people. However, claiming that they commit way more violent crime is hyperbolic - the way it is phrased implies that there is a massive difference between the average amount of violent crime between these two races, when the difference is actually just about 3%. I wouldn't say that 3% is enough to convince me that black people are significantly more violent than white people.

That's my position, and I think it's pretty clear that the data backs it up. If you still disagree, we can discuss it more.


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