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Everything is going to be fine. 1
#26821633 - 07/13/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world isn't collapsing, society isn't going to come to an end, everything is going to be just fine in the end. Relax and enjoy the ride. Don't worry so much. We're not going to tear ourselves apart. We'll be okay.
You'll survive. One day, you'll look back at this and realize that it wasn't so bad after all. I see so much worrying and so much fear and concern today, but there isn't anything to worry about. There's nothing to be afraid of.
There won't be another civil war. The major powers aren't going to go to war either. Times might be tough right now with the quarantine and the virus, but everything is going to be okay in the end. It'll work out. You'll still be here in a year, in two years, in five years and ten years, you'll all be okay.
I see so many posts on here that are terrified, afraid, in really dark places. Don't worry, don't be afraid. Embrace the strangeness of the times. Make love to confusion and embrace division like an old friend. Go with the flow and relax, you'll be okay, we'll all be okay.
Don't let it get you down. I know a lot of you out there have been super depressed lately, but there's no need to be. If you feel yourself getting down, then get out there and enjoy the sun. Go camping, or go to a beach or a river. Visit your family, or go on a bike ride. Improve yourself and your life. Get some exercise, do some meditation, play an instrument or draw, learn a language or how to tie a knot or how to knit or sew, do anything to make life better than it was yesterday.
Everything is going to be okay. It doesn't matter who wins this election or the next one or the one after that, it's going to be okay no matter what. During the 60s, they probably thought that was the end, and in 1940 they probably thought it was the end, and in the 30s they probably thought it was the end, and it never was, and it's not now.
Life is like Albert Hoffman on a bike ride in switzerland with a head full of acid. Enjoy the ride. It might be confusing and hard to handle, but it's gonna be okay.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: nooneman]
#26821661 - 07/13/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, most things are out of our control, but it's extremely naive to suggest tens to hundreds of millions of people aren't going to suffer from the result of this pandemic.
Tens of millions haven't paid their mortgage or rent on their homes, apartments and businesses. People are going to lose everything in many cases. So what good does it do to try to blow smoke up their asses about it now? Living in a delusion isn't going to help those people at all.
And yes, bad things happen all the time. You don't know if there won't be any wars either domestic or internationally, that's pure speculation and nothing more.
Many people aren't going to survive very well at the end of the day. The US government isn't going to rescue the working class from this mess, so I don't see where the optimism is really coming from in this case.
Will the human species survive? Of course, but that doesn't mean millions and millions of good people won't either be financially, mentally or physically destroyed from this mess.
I agree it's nothing to stress yourself over and to continue to live life the best we can because it's out of our control, but it's also important to remain realistic.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: qman]
#26821673 - 07/13/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is an excellent demonstration of white privilege. And, as a middle class white guy, I agree. Everything will be fine. I'll be fine. No matter what happens.
Of course, the immigrants in concentration camps likely won't be. Prisoners likely won't be. LGBT+ people won't be. Kids too young to pay taxes won't be. Old people that rely on the system they funded won't be.
Who gives a fuck about them, though? I'm a cis white guy and I'm gonna be fine. If you ain't ciw white male, you don't count as a human. Humans will be fine.
Edit: and that's not self hatred. I like owning a watch that would cost most people a year's rent. I like wearing imported Italian shoes. I like it when people automatically call me yes sir and no sir. I make good use of my privilege. I also recognize that I have it.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Kryptos]
#26821732 - 07/13/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is an excellent demonstration of white privilege.
Fixed it for you.
Anyone with money is just gonna be fine. Banks aren't rejecting black people due to the color of their skin. Money is privilege and anyone that has it will be in the same boat, regardless of their skin color.
That aside, I actually agree that I disagree with the OP. I mean... we SHOULD make sure to get sunlight and spend time with friends, but 100,000 people die every day. The cycle of war is inevitable. Sooner or later, bad shit happens to good people. That's just life.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Kryptos]
#26826092 - 07/15/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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white privilege doesnt exist.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26826834 - 07/16/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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White privilege doesn't exist in the same way that the moon doesn't exist.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: nooneman]
#26826876 - 07/16/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world isn't collapsing, society isn't going to come to an end, everything is going to be just fine in the end. Relax and enjoy the ride. Don't worry so much. We're not going to tear ourselves apart. We'll be okay.
I’m not so sure , govt overspending , printing money and not collecting enough money to pay for anything could lead to a collapse of the dollar pretty soon . One of the biggest lies of the Trump presidency is that our economy was great . It wasn’t , it was a big bubble and Covid hit it like a spear .
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil] 1
#26827130 - 07/16/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: White privilege doesn't exist in the same way that the moon doesn't exist.
I've noted that minorities that make 6 figures get treated the same as all their counterparts.
I think that's enough to question white privilege. Maybe money is the privilege.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827150 - 07/16/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How does varying amounts of cash shield one from racism or bigotry? Here is a source that refutes your claim:
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559690951/money-may-not-shield-prosperous-blacks-from-bigotry-survey-says
And where is your source?
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26827317 - 07/16/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My source? That article you just sent is just anecdotal claims of one black man. I could three dozen from other black men who say the opposite.
EDIT: I missed the polling in the article. Give me a moment to reply to that.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827335 - 07/16/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't find a link to the poll.
Let me unpack this a little better: People are definitely racist in their individual lives. (And they exist in both parties.) And in particular parts of the country, it's worse than others. I'm not trying to argue against that.
However, when it comes to the law, money is power. The article deals with people having racist thoughts and saying racist things. Nowhere does it claim wealthy people of color have financial earning discrepancies or an increase of run ins with the police.
I'll amend my statement if I can be shown data to prove otherwise.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26827529 - 07/16/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: White privilege doesn't exist in the same way that the moon doesn't exist.
I've noted that minorities that make 6 figures get treated the same as all their counterparts.
I think that's enough to question white privilege. Maybe money is the privilege.
That's not true, however.
Yes, there is wealth privilege, too. One can have white privilege and wealth privilege. One can have no white privilege and wealth privilege. The existence of other privileges doesn't negate the existence of white privilege.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil]
#26827565 - 07/16/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would argue in 2020 there is as much black privilege as there is the kind white privilege you speak of. Maybe more. It's not written in any law or institutions rule book, it's just social trends everyone is following.
Case in point: The Nick Cannon story I was talking about yesterday... he called white people "lesser" on his show two days ago. He used the word "savages" as well and said they they had to "rape and steal" because they didn't have the same morals as people with melanin in their skin. He said more than that, but you get the idea. It was incredibly black supremacist with no room to argue or debate.
After the media looked at the story... they made him apologize... for ONLY his anti Semitic remarks that he also made in the same show. And then he got to keep his job. He didn't have to apologize for ANYTHING he said about white people. And it was... bad. Real bad.
THIS is black privilege. If ANY white person said a FRACTION of what he said about black people, they would have lost their job and reputation entirely. The new norm is to be able to say anything hateful about white people you want and get away with it.
Welcome to 2020 where if you aren't paying attention you may miss the shift in times.
It's going to get worse, too. Expect more and more black people to be able to say whatever horrible things they want to about whites, cuz they're now privileged to do so. Racial slurs against white people are the new norm. Whites are getting bombarded in 2020 at 50 times the rate black people are with racial slurs and the media sucks the dick of the people who do it. 
Expect those words to turn into laws that are biased against white people in some places.
White privilege in 2020? Gimme a break. Being called a racial slur (black people AND white people problems in 2020) doesn't hold a candle to losing your job and livelihood for one off color remark. (ONLY white people problems.)
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#26827570 - 07/16/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you think there's a black privilege that is anywhere near the level of white privilege, you simply aren't paying attention. There are countless examples of it every day.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil]
#26827577 - 07/16/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you've missed the shift in times, friend.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26827587 - 07/16/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm in the trenches, dude. Spend a week black and you'd feel differently.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil]
#26827634 - 07/16/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spend a week black and you'd feel differently.
The black people I look up to most... people who put their mind to it and got there... Morgan Freeman, Terry Crews, David Webb, Kanye West, the Hodge Twins, "Some Black Guy," Brandon Tatum, Larry Elder, Raheem Babalola, The Amazing Lucas, LongBeachGriffy, etc... etc... you see they share the same VALUES as me, regardless of their skin color.
And because I'm not black, the closest I can get is listening to black people who share my VALUES.
They agree with my perspective and not yours.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827638 - 07/16/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The black people I look up to most... people who put their mind to it and got there... Morgan Freeman, Terry Crews, David Webb, Kanye West, the Hodge Twins, "Some Black Guy," Brandon Tatum, Larry Elder, Raheem Babalola, The Amazing Lucas, LongBeachGriffy, etc... etc... you see they share the same VALUES as me, regardless of their skin color.
And because I'm not black, the closest I can get is listening to black people who share my VALUES.
They agree with my perspective and not yours.
You look up to people who reflect your own interests by your own admission. It must be an easy existence for you.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827652 - 07/16/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spend a week black and you'd feel differently.
The black people I look up to most... people who put their mind to it and got there... Morgan Freeman, Terry Crews, David Webb, Kanye West, the Hodge Twins, "Some Black Guy," Brandon Tatum, Larry Elder, Raheem Babalola, The Amazing Lucas, LongBeachGriffy, etc... etc... you see they share the same VALUES as me, regardless of their skin color.
And because I'm not black, the closest I can get is listening to black people who share my VALUES.
They agree with my perspective and not yours.
Wrong. Every one of those people have white privilege stories.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827653 - 07/16/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In my wife's country, they whiten thier skin (wealth perception); as those that have darker skin, must be poor because they work outside....thats the prevailing thought. Really opposite in the Midwest ala tanning bed strip malls.
I really didnt give white privilege much thought until observing conversations and treatment regarding my partner. Most of it was indirectly applied, not overt. There were to many, " "Why did he/she say that," moments for me to ignore it any longer.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil]
#26827675 - 07/16/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spend a week black and you'd feel differently.
The black people I look up to most... people who put their mind to it and got there... Morgan Freeman, Terry Crews, David Webb, Kanye West, the Hodge Twins, "Some Black Guy," Brandon Tatum, Larry Elder, Raheem Babalola, The Amazing Lucas, LongBeachGriffy, etc... etc... you see they share the same VALUES as me, regardless of their skin color.
And because I'm not black, the closest I can get is listening to black people who share my VALUES.
They agree with my perspective and not yours.
Wrong. Every one of those people have white privilege stories.
*Shrug* I have to assume you're assuming.
"do you think that race plays a part in wealth distribution or either a mindset that you cant ..."
"Today? No. You and I. We're proof. Why would race have anything to do with it? Stick your mind to what you want to do and go for that. It's kind of like religion to me. It's a good excuse for not getting there."
(And then he gets Don Lemon himself to admit he's so sick of talking about race, but he's basically a slave to the CNN narrative. Lemon also has a light in his eyes still he's lost now.)
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827681 - 07/16/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since you put so much faith in Morgan Freeman. Here is a quote from him;
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We can show the world, Look, this is what happened in that situation. So why are so many people dying in police custody? And why are they all black? And why are all the police killing them white? What is that?
https://www.newsweek.com/morgan-freeman-baltimore-and-terrorism-we-suffer-police-327300
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: christopera]
#26827696 - 07/16/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A fair quote to challenge.
Just because we share values doesn't mean we share every perspective, nor can I assume that anyone I look up to has all the information. NOR does this statement NEGATE his much more powerful one that I've shared. Also, I've never said pockets of racism don't exist, but it isn't among the cops at any particular higher frequency than anywhere else. It can't possibly be racism if all cops, including black ones, are involved at the same frequency of shootings. (They are. There is no exclusive "white cop" problem in our nation. If there are problems in our police force, it's simply "cops" period.)
The answer to those questions Freeman is asking is easy, though. it's because the media selectively shows black on white crime. (Have you EVER seen a story of a black cop shooting an unarmed white man go viral? If so, it's one in a blue moon.)
Actual police statistics prove that ANY cops of ANY color shooting unarmed black men is actually incredibly rare. It only happened 13 times last year in a nation of 40,000,000 black people. If you research those 13 cases, half of the suspects showed unarmed aggression towards the cops, and with the others a few cops were fired and/or punished for their misconduct. It is likely less than 5 cases that actually went without justice being served.
And that's 5 too many BUT, clearly the problem isn't as bad as the media is making it. Sometimes it takes a while to figure it out.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Vahn421]
#26827730 - 07/16/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you really think that race in law enforcement, boils down to one narrow, carefully worded statistic? 13 unarmed black men? There are so many other stats man!
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Enlil]
#26827954 - 07/16/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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False.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: meltdowner]
#26828246 - 07/17/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: False.
I have to give you credit. Even though I disagree with almost everything you say, your posts are brief. You have a wife, a kid, a job; you have other things to do. You will still be here in November. And one of us will be able to give the other a bunch of shit about the election.
Unlike somebody we know, who I'm giving 72 hours over/under before the ban.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Brian Jones]
#26828267 - 07/17/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Brian, that's about the nicest thing you ever said to me. I dont want to gloat if Trump wins btw.
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Re: Everything is going to be fine. [Re: Brian Jones]
#26828639 - 07/17/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: False.
I have to give you credit. Even though I disagree with almost everything you say, your posts are brief. You have a wife, a kid, a job; you have other things to do. You will still be here in November. And one of us will be able to give the other a bunch of shit about the election.
Unlike somebody we know, who I'm giving 72 hours over/under before the ban.
If you're so confident, let's make a money wager.
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