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Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us.
    #26821537 - 07/13/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If a second civil war broke out, we'll likely wind up in Chinese territory without even having to move anywhere within a few years.

A "complete overhaul" or a "revolution" of America doesn't end with America in charge. It ends with countries that aren't stupid enough to fight internally swooping in when we're divided and at our weakest and conquering us.

This is why the Chinese have been caught funding far left movements more than once. They know what they're doing and they're watching and waiting patiently.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26821573 - 07/13/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There won't be any second civil war, so it's a moot point anyway. The entire idea is just a ridiculous fantasy that will never actually happen.

Also I find it suspicious that you've been posting so much political crap recently when your account hadn't done anything like that for many years before just recently.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821613 - 07/13/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If a second civil war broke out, we'll likely wind up in Chinese territory without even having to move anywhere within a few years.

A "complete overhaul" or a "revolution" of America doesn't end with America in charge. It ends with countries that aren't stupid enough to fight internally swooping in when we're divided and at our weakest and conquering us.

This is why the Chinese have been caught funding far left movements more than once. They know what they're doing and they're watching and waiting patiently.





So you're saying that the Chinese know if they provoke the right they'll trick them into a civil war? So according to you, the Chinese believe that the political right are comprised of easily fooled individuals. Okay, cool.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: nooneman]
    #26821615 - 07/13/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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There won't be any second civil war, so it's a moot point anyway. The entire idea is just a ridiculous fantasy that will never actually happen.

Also I find it suspicious that you've been posting so much political crap recently when your account hadn't done anything like that for many years before just recently.




He's a Russian Chinese lesbian trying to stoke dissent among us peaceful shroomers. That's one theory anyways.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821624 - 07/13/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

At this point, 'america in charge' is an oxymoron. Mostly due to the moron in charge.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26821650 - 07/13/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He is a well oxygenated moron, so I guess that qualifies as an oxymoron.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821662 - 07/13/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nah, he wore a mask the other day when he was in the hospital for a *mental health check-up* determination of peak fitness.

Probably reduced the oxygen flow to his brain to the point where he's even more useless.

Edit, sorry, he was probably getting his freedom gland checked.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: nooneman]
    #26821717 - 07/13/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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There won't be any second civil war, so it's a moot point anyway. The entire idea is just a ridiculous fantasy that will never actually happen.

Also I find it suspicious that you've been posting so much political crap recently when your account hadn't done anything like that for many years before just recently.




What, you think someone hacked my account and has nothing better to do than post thought-provoking ideas on a forum I used to post on?

Maybe I just wanted to see what the general consensus was around here to gather more information.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821718 - 07/13/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If a second civil war broke out, we'll likely wind up in Chinese territory without even having to move anywhere within a few years.

A "complete overhaul" or a "revolution" of America doesn't end with America in charge. It ends with countries that aren't stupid enough to fight internally swooping in when we're divided and at our weakest and conquering us.

This is why the Chinese have been caught funding far left movements more than once. They know what they're doing and they're watching and waiting patiently.





So you're saying that the Chinese know if they provoke the right they'll trick them into a civil war? So according to you, the Chinese believe that the political right are comprised of easily fooled individuals. Okay, cool.




I'm saying any nation will capitalize on another global superpower becoming weak from the inside out. It's not exactly rocket science.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821721 - 07/13/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

When Trump wins 2020, we'll see rioting like we've never known in our lives. It may or may not lead to a form of civil war. It may or may not devastate the economy. It depends on the response to the rioting.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821772 - 07/13/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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When Trump wins 2020, we'll see rioting like we've never known in our lives. It may or may not lead to a form of civil war. It may or may not devastate the economy. It depends on the response to the rioting.




Did you hold a flashlight under your chin when you said that?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821783 - 07/13/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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When Trump wins 2020, we'll see rioting like we've never known in our lives. It may or may not lead to a form of civil war. It may or may not devastate the economy. It depends on the response to the rioting.




Did you hold a flashlight under your chin when you said that?




I'll bring one when I come back end of November to flip anyone off who had nothing better to do than jeer and sneer.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821794 - 07/13/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How many promises have you made to come back and prove everybody wrong?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821801 - 07/13/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Zero.

I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.

But at the moment I'm really looking forward to November.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821820 - 07/13/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Your back already ?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26821825 - 07/13/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I never left, Van is back to rub it in our faces how much the realty prices in Seattle have fallen since they cut the police force budget by 50%. Or was it one of his other baseless points?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821839 - 07/13/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry reply to fail , he was saying when I come back and I was trying to be funny .


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26821846 - 07/13/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I actually picked up on the joke, but I wanted to take the opportunity to rub the Seattle prices in his face since he apparently has forgotten all of his proclamations to return.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: christopera]
    #26821867 - 07/13/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I actually picked up on the joke, but I wanted to take the opportunity to rub the Seattle prices in his face since he apparently has forgotten all of his proclamations to return.




Your insults are really reaching at this point.

Lay off on the LSD. It's only been three days, not 4 months.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821871 - 07/13/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I had LSD, unfortunately not. But it's nice to know you are keeping track of all your promises.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26821897 - 07/13/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see any potential mechanism for such a shift in power.  Frankly, your hypothesis doesn't make any sense.  Would you like to elaborate on how, specifically, China would accomplish this?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26821908 - 07/13/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Zero.

I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.




Hey man, I think you should apply this, as the forum's view on yourself. Arbitrarily declaring yourself the victor of debates; that is not a good start.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26822024 - 07/13/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Zero.

I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.




Hey man, I think you should apply this, as the forum's view on yourself. Arbitrarily declaring yourself the victor of debates; that is not a good start.




That's my typical M.O., but rather than sticking to the topic, I've been personally attacked and/or insulted by multiple people. I'm normally not one to bitch about it, but because you brought it up, I thought I'd explain why I'm not acting perfectly chill. I don't like taking blows without firing back. I'm also likely being held to a higher standard than those who are against me as far as the "rules" go.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
    #26822035 - 07/13/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't see any potential mechanism for such a shift in power.  Frankly, your hypothesis doesn't make any sense.  Would you like to elaborate on how, specifically, China would accomplish this?




The "China" part is arbitrary. The second line of my OP is more relevant: "It ends with countries that aren't stupid enough to fight internally swooping in when we're divided and at our weakest and conquering us."

This statement is irrevocably true. I couldn't give you the, "how." It's more rationalistic than it is empiricist-y. 

I'm not suggesting there will be a big civil war for sure. It's a big IF. But IF it happens... yeah... the vultures are circling.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26822056 - 07/13/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think you're missing two very big issues that would make it very hard for any outside force to take over:

1. We are a very large country with a very large population; and
2. The infighting we have doesn't really negate the strong sense of nationalism and xenophobia in America.

Together, this means that a foreign power would have a very hard time taking over.  Occupying the U.S. isn't plausible.  Certainly, over a long period of time, societal priorities can be manipulated to make the nation more open to the idea of outside rule, but that isn't going to happen over a decade or two.  That's certainly not going to happen during a period of civil unrest.

It is far more likely that we will see the nation splinter over time into more independently governed bodies, perhaps regional.  Once that happens, one or more of these smaller groups could ally with other foreign powers.  Still, that's something that would require a long time, and I'll be dead before it happens.

Unless you can present some plausible means of a foreign nation accomplishing this, it really doesn't matter whether the vultures are circling.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26822058 - 07/13/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Swooping in; thats hard, given our reserve currency status (which may go away/morph into something else) and size of our military. Why the wolves at the gates?

Clearly you are not suggesting a land invasion? We will blow up da world first. Fuck yeah.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
    #26822062 - 07/13/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest Enlil, I hope you're right.

But I'm actually afraid we may enter a form of a civil war when Trump wins re-election. (I know using "when" is presumptive, but all signs point to it. You're welcome to disagree.)

It's going to be 20 times worse then 2016.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26822067 - 07/13/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Swooping in; thats hard, given our reserve currency status (which may go away/morph into something else) and size of our military. Why the wolves at the gates?

Clearly you are not suggesting a land invasion? We will blow up da world first. Fuck yeah.




Metaphors.

I can't give you the, "how." Nations fight completely different now than they did before technology. I'm just presenting a general idea. As a superpower, if we fight internally, we may very well cease to be a superpower and then it's only a matter of time. I don't think there would be a recovery. Sooner or later there would just a be a takeover. China is simply the most likely candidate as their communist party has all Chinese working in unison as opposed to us. Communism robs them of their freedoms, but makes them *great* assets for war.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
    #26822070 - 07/13/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

These regional/indep governed bodies; are you referring to a resurgence of intrastate compacts based on geopolitical differences?
How would this be justified, the 10th Amendment and such?


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26822086 - 07/13/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

China has so much of our bonds; it would cripple them. Not to mention trade.

IMO, the most probable scenario involving a devestating attack on American soil will def be germ or biological. Just look what covid is doing and wa la!


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26822093 - 07/13/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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China has so much of our bonds; it would cripple them. Not to mention trade.

IMO, the most probable scenario involving a devestating attack on American soil will def be germ or biological. Just look what covid is doing and wa la!




I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
    #26822094 - 07/13/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I think you're missing two very big issues that would make it very hard for any outside force to take over:

1. We are a very large country with a very large population; and
2. The infighting we have doesn't really negate the strong sense of nationalism and xenophobia in America.

Together, this means that a foreign power would have a very hard time taking over.  Occupying the U.S. isn't plausible.  Certainly, over a long period of time, societal priorities can be manipulated to make the nation more open to the idea of outside rule, but that isn't going to happen over a decade or two.  That's certainly not going to happen during a period of civil unrest.

It is far more likely that we will see the nation splinter over time into more independently governed bodies, perhaps regional.  Once that happens, one or more of these smaller groups could ally with other foreign powers.  Still, that's something that would require a long time, and I'll be dead before it happens.

Unless you can present some plausible means of a foreign nation accomplishing this, it really doesn't matter whether the vultures are circling.



I'm gonna agree with Enlil on this one.  Outside of Israel, I don't think we've seen borders change from aggressive actions since WWII.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26822118 - 07/13/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm going to have to make a slight left turn to make my next point.

So I'm posting a video here about Bill Gates speaking about Coronavirus. All my recent research has convinced me Bill Gates is a scumbag who is capitalizing on our situation for political means. The way he speaks in this video re-affirms what I've been feeling. The like-dislike ratio on the video affirms I'm not alone in my feelings. As a body language reader, I want to punch both of their smirking faces into the back of their skulls. Let me explain.

Gates basically says in this video that people around the world mobilized to stop the coronavirus in a more effective and efficient way than he thought possible... but that the next virus or "wave" of coronavirus "will get attention this time" (cue their disgusting smirks. Neither of them can hold it back even though they try.)

Why in the fuck would Gates and his wife be almost excited about a pandemic getting worse?

And even if you want to write me off as a loon, consider what would happen if anything worse than the current coronavirus DID come along. Our economy would completely collapse. Gates himself said years ago that it would be a pandemic, not war, that could ruin modern society.

An even worse pandemic at this phase in the game wouldn't unite America, it would divide us even further. If I was the enemy, I'd strike right now if I had a biological weapon. The ensuing chaos from a worse pandemic could literally, truly, completely collapse our nation to the point of no return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0GntgnwrwF6w0bpGqss41MVzeGW8AuFAYs7eQ0LFcW9i9J2A4d4nPpVyo&feature=youtu.be&v=ELP2EFVOOYc


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    #26822121 - 07/13/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.





This thread is nutty .
    We have militias in this country , we are all armed to the teeth , well most of us . Have you ever been to East Oakland and seen what those crazy fuckers are like ? 
    China can’t take over a country with a govt kept in check by citizens with a second amendment .


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    #26822128 - 07/13/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.





This thread is nutty .
    We have militias in this country , we are all armed to the teeth , well most of us . Have you ever been to East Oakland and seen what those crazy fuckers are like ? 
    China can’t take over a country with a govt kept in check by citizens with a second amendment .




Read the above I just posted. A new pandemic plus civil unrest could completely wipe us.

I found the direct quote for those that need proof he was talking about Coronavirus:

https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/blog/post/path-forward-according-bill-and-melinda-gates

"People trust government to think through these things. This was a failure to get ready, and the cost would have been tiny compared to what we spend on being ready for war. We didn't actually do the simulation to think about nursing homes, getting factories ready, the testing regime. In fact, the testing was ramped up very quickly in a few countries that have almost avoided the epidemic entirely like Taiwan, New Zealand, and Australia. They took their experience, prepared, and moved a lot faster. We'll have to prepare for the next one. That will get attention this time."


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    #26822144 - 07/13/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I may not have the same background as you.  Why do think Bill Gates wants another pandemic?  I do think that is pretty far fetched without knowing more.


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    #26822149 - 07/13/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Bro, that's a deep rabbit hole. PM me if you want to talk about it, it's too far of a left turn here.

But for now, any body language reader can tell they're smirking about something and it's... fucking weird. And with all the context I have floating around my head, it lines up with what I've been researching.


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    #26822153 - 07/13/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For now, we'll disagree on this one.  :mushroom2:


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    #26822156 - 07/13/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

All right well, if you want to re-explore it later, I've got about 60 minutes of material that may change your mind.


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    #26822160 - 07/13/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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For now, we'll disagree on this one.  :mushroom2:



Oh, and that's another thing people dislike about me.  I'm more loyal to truth/facts than to individuals.  If I think you're wrong about something, I'll say so, even if we agree on other things.


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    #26822163 - 07/13/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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All right well, if you want to re-explore it later, I've got about 60 minutes of material that may change your mind.



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    #26822174 - 07/13/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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For now, we'll disagree on this one.  :mushroom2:



Oh, and that's another thing people dislike about me.  I'm more loyal to truth/facts than to individuals.  If I think you're wrong about something, I'll say so, even if we agree on other things.




Doesn't bother me, bro. I'd prefer you see the material I've seen before I can take your claim seriously, but that's up to you. Haha. So I'm glad you're willing to check some stuff out.

I guess I'll just post it here. (This is only a portion.)











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    #26822495 - 07/14/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

NOBODY IS GOING TO INVADE THE COUNTRY WITH THE LARGEST NUCLEAR CAPABILITY, THE LARGEST STANDING ARMY AND THE MOST ARMED CITIZENRY.



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    #26822568 - 07/14/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Zero.

I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.

But at the moment I'm really looking forward to November.




You wont be here in November.

If anyone wants to know how much less than a full deck this guy is playing with check out his Qanon thread in conspiracy.
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    #26822675 - 07/14/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is wading into conspiracy nutter shit.  Bill Gates has nothing to do with this thread, and you seem to be transitioning to the nutter theories about the virus and world domination.


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    #26822693 - 07/14/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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This is wading into conspiracy nutter shit.  Bill Gates has nothing to do with this thread




If you're not going to watch the videos I linked, you don't really have a right to use words like, "conspiracy nutter." I didn't post videos with a bunch of "theories." They are extremely well documented and researched by one of the most based Youtubers on the site.

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Bill Gates has nothing to do with this thread




That's really not for you to decide. There are major players making major moves right now. Just because it didn't cross my mind in the OP doesn't mean I didn't want to mention it. This is important shit.

How about you watch the videos and give me an opinion on what you study? I'm not interested in what anyone has to say about Gates if they won't even peek. It's intellectually lazy and dishonest.


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    #26822703 - 07/14/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You wont be here in November.




How vague and presumptive. I don't know if I should take it as a challenge or a threat.

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If anyone wants to know how much less than a full deck this guy is playing with check out his Qanon thread in conspiracy.





You know, my general feeling about this debate forum are beginning to lean toward you all fucking suck at debate. You're literally like the sixth person who is going for the Ad Hominem attack. This is so fucking boring. I was hoping to exchange ideas with you people and instead it's turned into me having to defend my character over and over.

Seriously. This is pathetic coming from all the long-time posters here. This is best you can do? Go take an actual god damn debate class, children.

Also, if your best argument is, "You're wrong about everything because you believe this one thing." then you're not even worth engaging intellectually. I can descend to your level and just throw shit around like an ape if you'd prefer.

But for the record, because once against I'm being lifted up on the cross, Qanon is definitely interesting. Far, far more interesting than you're giving it credit for. And *definitely* more interesting than you. I can tell you've studied the phenomenon for a good 30 seconds and then made up your mind.


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    #26822723 - 07/14/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If you're not going to watch the videos I linked, you don't really have a right to use words like, "conspiracy nutter."



I watched the first one.  It is clearly conspiracy Bullshit.
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That's really not for you to decide.



Wrong again. It is my job to decide. Keep this shit in the conspiracy forum. It doesn't belong here.


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    #26822736 - 07/14/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I watched the first one.  It is clearly conspiracy Bullshit.




Name one thing she said that is inaccurate.

I will defer to discussing this in "conspiracy" if you can do this.

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If/ when you post it in the correct forum,  we can discuss it.


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:rolleyes:


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    #26822893 - 07/14/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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But for the record, because once against I'm being lifted up on the cross, Qanon is definitely interesting. Far, far more interesting than you're giving it credit for. And *definitely* more interesting than you. I can tell you've studied the phenomenon for a good 30 seconds and then made up your mind.





Qanon wants you to drink bleach .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/qanon-conspiracy-theorists-coronavirus-mms-bleach-youtube-twitter-944878/amp/


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    #26822909 - 07/14/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I checked your link and two others. There's no link to any original source of any human being who actually said this. Q never said it, either.

EDIT: It looks like a man named Jordan Sather started this. He doesn't represent Q, nor anyone else but himself.


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    #26822935 - 07/14/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He’s a well known qanon supporter , you just discredited your own statement .


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Yeah...Qanon...gates vaccine conspiracies.  Epstein suicide conspiracies....

I'm going to be locking this thread soon if this doesn't get back to being a political discussion.


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Some Qanon supporters are obviously nutters. I have no idea what train of logic you're following.

Q never said it. 99% of his followers don't drink bleach. The 1% that does... good for them. They shouldn't breed, anyway.

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qanon is a dog, prove me wrong.


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People who deal in reality don’t need to be anonymous. Not knowing the source of your info is a problem , for you.


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    #26823273 - 07/14/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You know, my general feeling about this debate forum are beginning to lean toward you all fucking suck at debate. You're literally like the sixth person who is going for the Ad Hominem attack. This is so fucking boring. I was hoping to exchange ideas with you people and instead it's turned into me having to defend my character over and over.

Seriously. This is pathetic coming from all the long-time posters here. This is best you can do? Go take an actual god damn debate class, children.




Here's a thought, maybe - instead of every long-time poster on this forum absolutely sucking at debate - the ideas you brought here were consistently baseless and unsupported, and you now find yourself feeling ridiculed because your choice so far has been to double down on the baseless bullshit and announce yourself as debate champion when confronted.

Maybe you should have listened to the initial criticism instead of reacting so defensively because it's a pretty deep hole you have to dig yourself out of now that you've hit the depths that is qanon and Bill Gates conspiracies.


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You know, my general feeling about this debate forum are beginning to lean toward you all fucking suck at debate. You're literally like the sixth person who is going for the Ad Hominem attack. This is so fucking boring. I was hoping to exchange ideas with you people and instead it's turned into me having to defend my character over and over.

Seriously. This is pathetic coming from all the long-time posters here. This is best you can do? Go take an actual god damn debate class, children.




Here's a thought, maybe - instead of every long-time poster on this forum absolutely sucking at debate - the ideas you brought here were consistently baseless and unsupported, and you now find yourself feeling ridiculed because your choice so far has been to double down on the baseless bullshit and announce yourself as debate champion when confronted.

Maybe you should have listened to the initial criticism instead of reacting so defensively because it's a pretty deep hole you have to dig yourself out of now that you've hit the depths that is qanon and Bill Gates conspiracies.




I'm made of rubber, you're made of glue, blah blah.

I'm not digging my way out of anything.

And yes. When your opponents start attacking you personally rather than sticking to the debate. It DOES make you the WINNER.

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    #26823506 - 07/14/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Let me add something else here.

A good debater follows the trails of facts in the past or the present to make a case.

But the best debater can also see where that crumb trail will lead in the future. You're asking for evidence of something not yet come to pass that's as plain as day if you look at the breadcrumb trail from whence we came.

November will vindicate me. By that time, crime in New York and Seattle are going to be off the charts unless they reinstate their police force (New York is already getting baaaaad as of Monday), Trump will win 2020 and the left's riots are going to be completely fucking insane.

Housing will crash as people can't or wont want to pay their mortgages due high crime and Coronavirus halting the economy and we're going to be looking at a different world come 2021.

Oh- and Bill Gates is a fucking scumbag and Qanon may or may not be real, but it's highly entertaining and I'm inclined to lean toward "yes" ever since General Flynn, ex head of national security, took "The Oath" that Q has been asking everyone to take.

I don't think we'll have a civil war. But IF we do, it could lead to another nation usurping our power, easily. I don't think it would be with nukes. It's going to be psychological, economical, and biological warfare this time.

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    #26824064 - 07/14/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm glad you're willing to check some stuff out.

I guess I'll just post it here. (This is only a portion.)



I watched the first two videos, and so far I've learned Bill Gates is just like many of our country's super wealthy - he got there by coming from a well connected well off family, and does things to make himself money.

I haven't seen anything of interest whatsoever yet.  Will it get more interesting?


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    #26824119 - 07/14/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Because he should be using his money to get young girls and pay them for their silence,  obviously.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
    #26824123 - 07/14/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Trump doesnt give to charity... unless charity is the name of a stripper he knocked up.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: koods]
    #26824126 - 07/14/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump doesnt give to charity... unless charity is the name of a stripper he knocked up.




HA.

Okay that was actually really funny.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26824127 - 07/14/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Falcon91, I suppose that's up to you, whether or not it gets more interesting. I don't recall if Event 201, and things like it, are brought up before part 2.


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26824158 - 07/14/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oops wrong thread!


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
    #26824562 - 07/15/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh- and Bill Gates is a fucking scumbag and Qanon may or may not be real, but it's highly entertaining and I'm inclined to lean toward "yes" ever since General Flynn, ex head of national security, took "The Oath" that Q has been asking everyone to take.



 
    A person who may or may not be fake asking people to take oaths on the internet is absolutely fucking insane . All of your comments belong in the conspiracy forum .


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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26824726 - 07/15/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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A person who may or may not be fake asking people to take oaths on the internet is absolutely fucking insane




An anonymous patriot asking other patriots to reaffirm their commitment to preserving America's freedom and our children's freedom through altruistic sacrifice is anything but insane.

Things that actually happened don't belong in the conspiracy forum. There is no speculation here. General Flynn took the oath. That's a big deal to anyone who is paying attention. My head isn't in the sand.


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    #26824746 - 07/15/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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I tried to help you redirect this thread in order for it to stay active in this forum.  You kept going back to conspiracy theories like Qanon.  It's time to lock this baby. 

In the future, try to keep conspiracies in the conspiracy forum.


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