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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26821897 - 07/13/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't see any potential mechanism for such a shift in power. Frankly, your hypothesis doesn't make any sense. Would you like to elaborate on how, specifically, China would accomplish this?
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26821908 - 07/13/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Zero.
I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.
Hey man, I think you should apply this, as the forum's view on yourself. Arbitrarily declaring yourself the victor of debates; that is not a good start.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#26822024 - 07/13/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Zero.
I don't make "promises" to people I don't (yet) respect.
Hey man, I think you should apply this, as the forum's view on yourself. Arbitrarily declaring yourself the victor of debates; that is not a good start.
That's my typical M.O., but rather than sticking to the topic, I've been personally attacked and/or insulted by multiple people. I'm normally not one to bitch about it, but because you brought it up, I thought I'd explain why I'm not acting perfectly chill. I don't like taking blows without firing back. I'm also likely being held to a higher standard than those who are against me as far as the "rules" go.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
#26822035 - 07/13/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't see any potential mechanism for such a shift in power. Frankly, your hypothesis doesn't make any sense. Would you like to elaborate on how, specifically, China would accomplish this?
The "China" part is arbitrary. The second line of my OP is more relevant: "It ends with countries that aren't stupid enough to fight internally swooping in when we're divided and at our weakest and conquering us."
This statement is irrevocably true. I couldn't give you the, "how." It's more rationalistic than it is empiricist-y.
I'm not suggesting there will be a big civil war for sure. It's a big IF. But IF it happens... yeah... the vultures are circling.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822056 - 07/13/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're missing two very big issues that would make it very hard for any outside force to take over:
1. We are a very large country with a very large population; and 2. The infighting we have doesn't really negate the strong sense of nationalism and xenophobia in America.
Together, this means that a foreign power would have a very hard time taking over. Occupying the U.S. isn't plausible. Certainly, over a long period of time, societal priorities can be manipulated to make the nation more open to the idea of outside rule, but that isn't going to happen over a decade or two. That's certainly not going to happen during a period of civil unrest.
It is far more likely that we will see the nation splinter over time into more independently governed bodies, perhaps regional. Once that happens, one or more of these smaller groups could ally with other foreign powers. Still, that's something that would require a long time, and I'll be dead before it happens.
Unless you can present some plausible means of a foreign nation accomplishing this, it really doesn't matter whether the vultures are circling.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822058 - 07/13/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swooping in; thats hard, given our reserve currency status (which may go away/morph into something else) and size of our military. Why the wolves at the gates?
Clearly you are not suggesting a land invasion? We will blow up da world first. Fuck yeah.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
#26822062 - 07/13/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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To be honest Enlil, I hope you're right.
But I'm actually afraid we may enter a form of a civil war when Trump wins re-election. (I know using "when" is presumptive, but all signs point to it. You're welcome to disagree.)
It's going to be 20 times worse then 2016.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26822067 - 07/13/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Swooping in; thats hard, given our reserve currency status (which may go away/morph into something else) and size of our military. Why the wolves at the gates?
Clearly you are not suggesting a land invasion? We will blow up da world first. Fuck yeah.
Metaphors.
I can't give you the, "how." Nations fight completely different now than they did before technology. I'm just presenting a general idea. As a superpower, if we fight internally, we may very well cease to be a superpower and then it's only a matter of time. I don't think there would be a recovery. Sooner or later there would just a be a takeover. China is simply the most likely candidate as their communist party has all Chinese working in unison as opposed to us. Communism robs them of their freedoms, but makes them *great* assets for war.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
#26822070 - 07/13/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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These regional/indep governed bodies; are you referring to a resurgence of intrastate compacts based on geopolitical differences? How would this be justified, the 10th Amendment and such?
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822086 - 07/13/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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China has so much of our bonds; it would cripple them. Not to mention trade.
IMO, the most probable scenario involving a devestating attack on American soil will def be germ or biological. Just look what covid is doing and wa la!
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26822093 - 07/13/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: China has so much of our bonds; it would cripple them. Not to mention trade.
IMO, the most probable scenario involving a devestating attack on American soil will def be germ or biological. Just look what covid is doing and wa la!
I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Enlil]
#26822094 - 07/13/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I think you're missing two very big issues that would make it very hard for any outside force to take over:
1. We are a very large country with a very large population; and 2. The infighting we have doesn't really negate the strong sense of nationalism and xenophobia in America.
Together, this means that a foreign power would have a very hard time taking over. Occupying the U.S. isn't plausible. Certainly, over a long period of time, societal priorities can be manipulated to make the nation more open to the idea of outside rule, but that isn't going to happen over a decade or two. That's certainly not going to happen during a period of civil unrest.
It is far more likely that we will see the nation splinter over time into more independently governed bodies, perhaps regional. Once that happens, one or more of these smaller groups could ally with other foreign powers. Still, that's something that would require a long time, and I'll be dead before it happens.
Unless you can present some plausible means of a foreign nation accomplishing this, it really doesn't matter whether the vultures are circling.
I'm gonna agree with Enlil on this one. Outside of Israel, I don't think we've seen borders change from aggressive actions since WWII.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26822118 - 07/13/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to make a slight left turn to make my next point.
So I'm posting a video here about Bill Gates speaking about Coronavirus. All my recent research has convinced me Bill Gates is a scumbag who is capitalizing on our situation for political means. The way he speaks in this video re-affirms what I've been feeling. The like-dislike ratio on the video affirms I'm not alone in my feelings. As a body language reader, I want to punch both of their smirking faces into the back of their skulls. Let me explain.
Gates basically says in this video that people around the world mobilized to stop the coronavirus in a more effective and efficient way than he thought possible... but that the next virus or "wave" of coronavirus "will get attention this time" (cue their disgusting smirks. Neither of them can hold it back even though they try.)
Why in the fuck would Gates and his wife be almost excited about a pandemic getting worse?
And even if you want to write me off as a loon, consider what would happen if anything worse than the current coronavirus DID come along. Our economy would completely collapse. Gates himself said years ago that it would be a pandemic, not war, that could ruin modern society.
An even worse pandemic at this phase in the game wouldn't unite America, it would divide us even further. If I was the enemy, I'd strike right now if I had a biological weapon. The ensuing chaos from a worse pandemic could literally, truly, completely collapse our nation to the point of no return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0GntgnwrwF6w0bpGqss41MVzeGW8AuFAYs7eQ0LFcW9i9J2A4d4nPpVyo&feature=youtu.be&v=ELP2EFVOOYc
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822121 - 07/13/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.
This thread is nutty . We have militias in this country , we are all armed to the teeth , well most of us . Have you ever been to East Oakland and seen what those crazy fuckers are like ? China can’t take over a country with a govt kept in check by citizens with a second amendment .
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Psilynut2]
#26822128 - 07/13/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I actually mostly agree with this. I also think it will be very easy to cripple modern Americans psychologically. In fact, I think that's already started.
This thread is nutty . We have militias in this country , we are all armed to the teeth , well most of us . Have you ever been to East Oakland and seen what those crazy fuckers are like ? China can’t take over a country with a govt kept in check by citizens with a second amendment .
Read the above I just posted. A new pandemic plus civil unrest could completely wipe us.
I found the direct quote for those that need proof he was talking about Coronavirus:
https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/blog/post/path-forward-according-bill-and-melinda-gates
"People trust government to think through these things. This was a failure to get ready, and the cost would have been tiny compared to what we spend on being ready for war. We didn't actually do the simulation to think about nursing homes, getting factories ready, the testing regime. In fact, the testing was ramped up very quickly in a few countries that have almost avoided the epidemic entirely like Taiwan, New Zealand, and Australia. They took their experience, prepared, and moved a lot faster. We'll have to prepare for the next one. That will get attention this time."
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822144 - 07/13/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may not have the same background as you. Why do think Bill Gates wants another pandemic? I do think that is pretty far fetched without knowing more.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26822149 - 07/13/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bro, that's a deep rabbit hole. PM me if you want to talk about it, it's too far of a left turn here.
But for now, any body language reader can tell they're smirking about something and it's... fucking weird. And with all the context I have floating around my head, it lines up with what I've been researching.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Vahn421]
#26822153 - 07/13/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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For now, we'll disagree on this one.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26822156 - 07/13/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All right well, if you want to re-explore it later, I've got about 60 minutes of material that may change your mind.
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Re: Any, "liberation" of America would just lead to another nation destroying us. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26822160 - 07/13/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: For now, we'll disagree on this one. 
Oh, and that's another thing people dislike about me. I'm more loyal to truth/facts than to individuals. If I think you're wrong about something, I'll say so, even if we agree on other things.
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