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Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin
#26821145 - 07/13/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi all.
So I started some Pan subbs/cincts recently and they are doing pretty good, but I have a question.My climate is fairly dry and temperate (zone 5), and no psilocybes grow naturally here besides Panaeolus cinctulus and they are SUPER rare. Before I get snarky remarks about "why not just grow cubes bruh!?" I hear you and am ALL OVER IT haha. This is more for a fun experiment and to attempt to establish a permanent outdoor grow/try something new... Cincts seem to be the most viable candidate for my shitty fungi climate.
My procedure was simple and as follows:
1. Obtained Pan cinct spore syringes. Injected multispore directly to sterilized rye.grain enriched with coffee. Within 7 days full, beautiful colonization of lovely white mycelium.
2. Pasteurized a blend of three local grasses (wheat straw, wild grass bale, and alfalfa). I leaned into the hay and the grass and kept the alfalfa at a minimum per the advice I got from a mushroom farmer (apparently it is "too hot" to use more than about 25% in the mix). I would have used all straw but availability of farm products has been weird in my area thanks to 'Rona and I took what I could get.
3. I filled a large GeoBin (basically a huge plastic compost bin full of lots of holes) in a lasagna style with pasteurized grass blend- spawn- grass blend- spawn etc. until it was filled to the brim. The bottom was a later of pasteurized cardboard for weed suppression. I topped it off with a "casing layer" of just pasteurized straw.
4. Finally, I covered the whole thing in some shade fabric to provide a bit of shade. Im refraining from watering too much, but still keeping it moist.
I've been checking the mycelium growth and it appears to be vigorously, nay A N G R I L Y, colonizing the grass with cottony delightful mycelium.
So here is my question- to turn the shroomy compost or not to turn it? My understanding is that these mushrooms thrive in compost, so it seems like turning the hay may introduce oxygen and help it to spread mycelium. My personal observations growing spawn is that these guys LOVE disturbance... But does this apply to a compost bin outside?
My concern is that, by turning it, I may inadvertently introduce microbes that will make the bin HEAT UP as it decomposes or maybe outcompete the mycelium or kill it from sheer heat. Then again, by not turning it, will it become stinky, anaerobic mush?
Cincts thrive in hay bales (which dont get turned obviously) as well as compost (which gets turned.a shit ton, if you do it right). What is the right answer?
To turn or not to turn?
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: Mycocycle]
#26821200 - 07/13/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’d leave it so it’ll fruit. Seems like turning it would spread it out and break up the network.
I know nothing about compost or outdoor though. Have you tried cinct before?
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: A.k.a]
#26821286 - 07/13/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I’d leave it so it’ll fruit. Seems like turning it would spread it out and break up the network.
I know nothing about compost or outdoor though. Have you tried cinct before?
Yeah that is kind of what I was thinking too. I'll likely leave be unless someone else brings a compelling reason.
Ive never eaten them before, but have read some pretty great trip reports that make it sound unique. I know they are weak, but I can always just eat more if this fruits lol.
I tried growing them last.summer indoors and didn't end up finishing due to contamps.
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: Mycocycle]
#26821292 - 07/13/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pan cincts look so cool, crazy mycelium too. Unfortunately they ain’t much to trip on but a damn cool species to grow nonetheless.
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26821307 - 07/13/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh for sure dude, still the ultimate plan is using their compost to fertilize my lawn and garden. Would be awesome to see em pop up all over and get a bumper crop here and there
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: Mycocycle]
#26828981 - 07/17/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quick update for anyone who reads this and wonders what ended up happening: I opted not to turn one compost bin but to frequently turn the other and keep adding table scraps etc to it. The one I have been turning has had poor mycelial growth, but the cincts are hanging on in the coolest, most oxygen rich spots near the edges, but far enough into the pile that they are still moist. This one is an established compost pile, so this makes sense...there Are a lot of microbes In there already to compete with. Hopefully it gains more of a toehold.
The unturned pile has stayed unturned and stank BAD for a few days in 101 F heat this hot summer week. Once the microbial composting action cooled off on an overcast day, I donned my rubber gloves and dug into the pile. It is thriving, despite the H E A T put off by the pile. This makes sense, being that Cincts grow naturally in hay bales.
Conclusions:
1. it is better to establish panaeolus cinctulus in a completely pasteurized pile of grasses and not turn it at all. Let the fungi do the work from there.
2: You CAN add bulk substrate (Colonized grain—>pasteurized grasses) on top of an existing compost and turn it in and it will survive, but With less success.
If either pile ever actually fruits (Good god I hope they do!!!), I will post pictures for you to see. Thanks to anyone who read this and especially to those who comment(ed)!
Edited by Mycocycle (07/17/20 01:14 PM)
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus Cinctulus in Compost Bin [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26829012 - 07/17/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Pan cincts look so cool, crazy mycelium too. Unfortunately they ain’t much to trip on but a damn cool species to grow nonetheless.
ive actually been pondering this exact thing. they just look awsum
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