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Why do caps open prematurely?
#26820837 - 07/13/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey again guys.. Feels like my monotubes is failing guys.. very depressing. I have two monotubes in progress. But on one, a mushroom has already opened(!?) even though it is small?


And another mushroom looks like it's about to open up too. Why has it happened? Could it be due to too low RH? I have opened the lid several times since I spawned. And changed the polyfill several times because I read different instructions almost every day and changed it accordingly. However, there are still a lot of water drops on the substrate. I don't get it. Right now it is medium tight in all holes.
And my second monotube is growing slowly and the mushrooms look narrow. 
What do you think of them? Some tips?
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26820948 - 07/13/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look fine to me, it's probably just genetics that's making some fruits end up smaller than others. Clone the ones that are more perfect in your eye. Besides needing just a little more FAE your tubs look good, stop overthinking the droplets / evaporation thing. Judging by the even pinsets it's good. You could increase FAE further by loosening poly or flipping the lid when the canopies fill in a bit more but that's about it.
Good job!
PS: You're doing awesome for a newbie. Even my 10th tub didn't fill in this evenly.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: Rapjack]
#26821091 - 07/13/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree that they look normally developed. You’re going to need to hunt around the genetic pool and use agar if you want a guaranteed expression of a specific phenotype.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26821210 - 07/13/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol I just said this yesterday but for some reason pictures of shrooms seem to look bigger than they are. Plus you see a lot of pictures of monster grows.
The average size of my mushrooms is probably like 4.5 inches.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: A.k.a]
#26821225 - 07/13/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, only a few varieties are known for producing huge fruits. Namely PE / Melmac and South American. But you'll still need to clone to achieve consistency.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: Rapjack]
#26821277 - 07/13/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lots of varieties can produce huge fruits. Most of them are also capable of producing tiny fruits.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26821530 - 07/13/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks brothers 
Look at this picture, I just took it. It is a second that opens early. And do you see the white that grows on the shafts as well? Why is that? Is it the shortage of air?
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: A.k.a]
#26821548 - 07/13/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
A.k.a said: lol I just said this yesterday but for some reason pictures of shrooms seem to look bigger than they are. Plus you see a lot of pictures of monster grows.
The average size of my mushrooms is probably like 4.5 inches.
I get depressed when I look at my mushrooms, and then look at the pictures from your harvests and compare, haha. Tell me the secret bro
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26821557 - 07/13/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is what my two monotubes look like right now. How long do you think it's left until harvest?

Btw, as you can see, I put casing layer on one, and not on the other to test and see which is best. And now I think it's probably best with casing layer
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26822680 - 07/14/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look, now I have harvested 6 mushrooms and all were opened prematurely. They do not weigh much either. Their appearance looks like they gave up prematurely. Something must be wrong?
I made 4 monotubes a few months ago and none of them turned out like this. The only difference is that I took less water to my coir to get field capacity this time (had too much last time) and also that I last time had a humidfier in my room where I grow my monotubes. And the temperature in the room was higher as well.
Can they give up due to lack of humidity or water?
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26822685 - 07/14/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Low humidity can cause premature breaking however some varieties like PE will break the veils very early. At that point you just leave em until the gills start dropping spores. The whole reason behind harvesting when the veil breaks is to prevent big spore dumps.
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26822732 - 07/14/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Low humidity can cause premature breaking however some varieties like PE will break the veils very early. At that point you just leave em until the gills start dropping spores. The whole reason behind harvesting when the veil breaks is to prevent big spore dumps.
What is PE? Mine are Psilocybe Cubensis Cambodia.
I have read that if the mushrooms drops spores, it destroys the substrate and where it is dropped it will not grow anymore. And that is why you harvest before they open. Is it true?
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Re: Why do caps open prematurely? [Re: shroomening]
#26822828 - 07/14/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes but there needs to be a lot of spores dropped, like the whole surface looks like tar.
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