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Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions
    #26820658 - 07/13/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So I just stumbled upon some Panaeolopsis sp growing in a heat stressed lawn after we finally got a little rain over the weekend.

I was wondering if anyone has experience cultivating or consuning this species, it does not seem to come up on this website much, so i assume it to be rare or just overlooked as another LBM.

Wondering what the best way to collect spores from this species is, I could make swabs like you would with penis envy or maybe just see if I can get a print by removing the stems and proping the caps upright with toothpicks.

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https://ibb.co/qN8bY8W
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Any input is appreciated.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26820736 - 07/13/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, wow. Beautiful find! I've always been interested about them as well but have yet to see any threads on this genus. :popcorn:

I'm sure you're aware of this but the last two of your pictures the mushroom on the far left doesn't appear to be the same.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: BVB]
    #26820793 - 07/13/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I belive the smaller one is an imature specimine being that they were growing right next to eachother and there were no other mushrooms growing in that particular lawn. I wish there was more research into these and other pan species because I cant seem to find a consensus on wether or not they are active. I dont plan on cunsuming them but I was hoping to try and grow some as an experiment. I may cook some agar and see if I can get a clean tissue sample to take. If not spores are going to be the only route.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26820820 - 07/13/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Tissue clone on agar and then spawn to substrate like you would panaeolus cinctulus(or whatever the grass species ends up being) since it its growing from pretty much the same. I'd be really interested in watching a grow log if you decide to do this.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26820846 - 07/13/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Going to atempt it for sure as I have not seen anyone try this so I would enjoy exploring uncharted territory.

It would be nice to find out if they are active or not before I go balls deep tho


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26820865 - 07/13/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The bluing around the cap/bottom of stipe does appear to be a good edible. For research sake, it'd be best to hold onto them and put under a microscope/ send off to a lab. But it does seem much better for the mycological practice to study/ attempt to grow these yourself.

In regards to the other one, it appears to be a pan. foe. or something similar, very well could be a smaller specimen but the bruising/cap look different :shrug:. Possibly an 'indicator species' which would help develop research into this genus. I'd love to hear what a TI/ Alan has to say.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: BVB]
    #26820932 - 07/13/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/12480/Panaeolopsis-sp

According to this they're active but it also seems to hint at there being possible 2 seperate species due to spore color.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26821078 - 07/13/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It would be nice to find out if they are active or not before I go balls deep tho



Im in Pittsburgh area also and found quite alot of these last year for the first time. I never noticed any bluing and had a fellow shrooomer test the waters with 5g dried and no effects. Yours may be different though,keep us posted.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: avidpicker]
    #26821124 - 07/13/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think Panaeolopsis is a valid genus, it's really a Panaeolus close to P. fimicola.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26821238 - 07/13/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the input guys spores and gills on these are black. Seems to me that alot of the mycology info out there on wild species is conflicting and or incomplete. Really the only mushrooms that have been decently research are popular psychedelics and choice edibles.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26821336 - 07/13/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I occasionally find them with a foenescii colored spore print.  Never found the black prints yet.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: lowbrow]
    #26821475 - 07/13/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I occasionally find them with a foenescii colored spore print.  Never found the black prints yet.





I wonder if the caps failing to open up is something that various common lawn Panaeolus species do occasionally.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26821528 - 07/13/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I doubt they’re a seperate species, just a mutation that occasionally pops up.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: lowbrow]
    #26822285 - 07/14/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I doubt they’re a seperate species, just a mutation that occasionally pops up.




Or maybe not a mutation and just a phenotypic variation.  It would be really interesting to clone and cultivate these and see if the fruits looked normal.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26822348 - 07/14/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I doubt they’re a seperate species, just a mutation that occasionally pops up.




Or maybe not a mutation and just a phenotypic variation.  It would be really interesting to clone and cultivate these and see if the fruits looked normal.



Was not able to get a clean tissue sample to clone because they were so small. I think a multi spore grow would be more illuminating. If is just a pheno it should show up along with the regular caps in a tray.
If it is a genetically stable variation or a different sp then the caps should all show sectoid properties. I have a feeling it may be the latter because the stems and overall look of these mushrooms are different from that of pan foe or pan cinct.


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26822376 - 07/14/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

https://ibb.co/vdgfWp4
https://ibb.co/n8YQP9y
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https://ibb.co/sPfnY6v
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Found some more in a different spot today. Also a side by side with pan foe. Going to try clone again this time from the inside of the cap

Note the feint bluing on the stems


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Re: Panaeolopsis sp. Pics and questions [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26823827 - 07/14/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I gathered some panaeolus cinctulus today and as far as I can tell the prints from the Panaeolopsis sp are the exact same color when compared side by side, a real dark inky jet black almost looks like when you touch the wrong side of a printer ink cartridge, very dense prints...

Anyhow Im growing Panaeolopsis and cinctulus too get to the bottom of this. At the very least I think I will be the first human to cultivate this mushroom. I have gathered that Panaeolopsis is dung loving because they grow primarily in areas where animals crap, just like cinctulus... Dog parks, deer fields, and horse farms


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