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Blue tea = less potent?
    #26816142 - 07/10/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi all, not sure if this is the correct forum to post in (sorry in advance if it is) but I had an odd experience with mushroom tea recently and I'm just looking for some feedback as to what you guys think of it.

So I went out and picked my own mushrooms for the first time the other week, got a heap of golden subs. I checked they bruised blue and spore printed dark purple to make sure I wasn't going to poison myself. I dehydrated them in a dehydrator for about 15 hours at 30 degrees C so they were cracker dry. Put them in an air tight jar for a week. The other night I got 1.8 grams (don't know why I didn't just go for 2 haha) chopped it up nice and fine and put it in a tea strainer. I boiled some water and then let it sit for 5 mins because I was worried the heat wold damage the psilocybin/psilocin. Poured the hot water in and brewed for 10 minutes and it went super dark blue very quickly (never seen this before). I put some lemon juice in and the blue faded only slightly. Drank it and... nothing at all. At the most a slight stoned feeling, but no high or visuals unfortunately. Two hours prior I did smash a huge curry so I thought maybe not fasting messed it up? did I lose potency via oxidation?

Sorry for the long winded story, any feedback is much appreciated. Thanks!! :smile:

Edit - I had brown tea before that did the job well on a smaller dose, this blue stuff was not as strong.


Edited by BurntToast (07/10/20 09:51 PM)


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast]
    #26816186 - 07/10/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The heat from that isn’t detrimental.  Sounds like you didn’t let it steep in hot water for long enough or maybe they weren’t that potent of fruits.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26816219 - 07/10/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the feedback!
I was thinking that it was something to do with the brew as well. After some reading, I think the blueness of the tea is due to the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin by an enzyme called phosphatase. Psilocin is then oxidized making the water blue, and hence a loss of dose. So using hot boiling the water will denature the enzyme and preserve the psilocin... i think.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast] * 2
    #26816352 - 07/11/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I always used to think that blue bruising indicated a potent mushroom; well apparently this is not the case. And if you read Stamet’s book, Psilocybin mushrooms of the world, then blue bruising and black spores are a good indication you’re not going to poison yourself. But it doesn’t mean the mushroom is psychoactive.

So first question, are you absolutely sure that what you picked were psychoactive?

Secondly, your tea method is all wrong dude, sorry! And in 35 years of mushroom use, I have never seen a blue tea; home grown cubensis is always a light thin brown colour; liberty caps are always a thick black liquid. Never blue.

I have heard people creating blue tea from a cold soak, but this is another method entirely, and takes days not minutes.

So next time:

Roughly break up the mushrooms into a pan.
Pour over BOILING water.
Bring pan back to BOIL.
BOIL rapidly for one minute, stirring constantly.
Turn heat to minimum and simmer for up to 10 minutes.
Turn off heat and allow to cool.....
....sufficiently to be able to strain the mushrooms out.
The mushroom pulp should peel easily off the cloth when done, and thrown in the bin.
Drink tea.
Rinse out glass with orange juice (gets rid of any after taste, and provides enough blood sugar for the trip ahead).

If you want the extra boost, you can add lemon at the start before you add the boiling water. But be careful, this can be really intense.

Good,luck
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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26816432 - 07/11/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for such a good reply DJ Ed.

I’m pretty certain they were psilocybe subaeruginosa, my friend gave me some that I made the brown tea that worked fine. I went to same place he found them and picked a heap, followed all the identification rules (caramel brown, solid white stem, blue bruising, no annulus ect..).
I will definitely try your brewing method, I’m pretty new to the world of mushies so I’m still testing things out. I have seen other posts here about blue tea but most said it still had an effect, it’s just weird that this had little to no effect at all. Thanks for all the info! Anymore is much appreciated.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26816515 - 07/11/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

😯


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: The Thing]
    #26818090 - 07/11/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a benefit to making a cold brew in the fridge or is it just a preference in consumption?
Some other treads talk about the tea turning blue, could it possibly be related to using golden subs...


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast]
    #26818319 - 07/11/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've gotten anything from blue to azure to brown with different varieties of cubes, similar to how some bruise blue to black a lot and others don't at all - not really related to potency IME.  It just depends on what oxidizes.  Using citric acid in the tea water always gives brown tea and colorless spent shrooms though.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26820506 - 07/13/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

1.8 grams is a small dose for a lot of mushrooms.

The blue appeared because there were still active enzymes in the mushrooms which break down some of the psilocin. If you added them to boiling water the enzymes would have been destroyed. The heat/O2 can also cause a small amount of degradation but it would turn brown instead.

I've made blue tea before and it wasn't all that potent but it was certainly still active.



I'm surprised you got blue from dried mushrooms. I've only gotten it when using fresh.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: Kizzle]
    #26820674 - 07/13/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yu can add a pinch of vitamin C in making mushroom tea - just like it works as an antioxidant in applesauce, it works as an antioxidant in mushroom tea and makes it somewhat more acidic which means more efficient extractions.

A 50mg tab vit C in a fifth of tea or more is enough.

For use as an antioxidant it only takes a pinch but more is better.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast]
    #26822330 - 07/14/20 04:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It is my understanding that blue tea is made not only with fresh (not dried), but also with a COLD water extraction.  Sounds and is unorthodox, but this is how Paul Stamets explains it and many others. 

I’ve seen 50-100g of FRESH mushrooms used-which equates to 5-10g dried.  Place ICE over the top of them after chopping them thoroughly, and place in the fridge for 2-3 days.

You may also freeze them prior to this to break down the cell walls even more- as I’ve read/watched. I do know this is true for chaga/reishi/etc tinctures.

And yes 2 grams is a rather small amount for most people...


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: sl3]
    #26854199 - 07/30/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies, some very interesting stuff. I agree, 1.8 g was a small dose. I can confirm my tea was botched, recently made some more tea with some friends with some boiling water (not warm like I tried before) and tea went a nice brown. Tried around 3 grams with some lemon juice and worked like a charm.

It definitely has something to do with heat, as cold brews tend to go blue while my warm tea also went blue. Again I think it’s to do with the activity of an enzyme in the mushroom.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast] * 1
    #26854227 - 07/30/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a picture of the tea just for reference if anyone is interested.



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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: BurntToast] * 1
    #26854376 - 07/30/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You should add the lemon juice before you put the mushrooms in. The acidity will help stabilize the actives and make them more water soluble. You don't need to chop them up either if they're fresh, that's probably just more unnecessary oxidation. Just boil them at least until the blue bruising has disappeared. The boiling will damage the cell walls like freezing does.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: Kizzle]
    #26854417 - 07/30/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yup. :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26854863 - 07/31/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have really had a lot of problems with the potency of tea in general despite following all kinds of different instructions and generally being skilled at extractions and the like so I can't really speak to this specific topic with a whole lot of confidence but I did have one experience with blue tea that sticks out.

It was one of my first few trips on mushrooms I had grown myself and I was still figuring out dosages - I brewed 7g of tea and didn't get where I wanted to be so I was brewing another 5g of tea. I started with cold water and stood over it stirring the whole time as I brought it to a boil, the tea turned very blue by the time I got it boiling and it looked like I was cooking alien gut stew.

I couldn't really speak to the potency difference vs non-blue tea but I didn't get near where 12g eaten straight up would have gotten me, though that has pretty much been my experience with tea no matter how I prepare it.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: ItAintGotNoGasInIt] * 1
    #26855051 - 07/31/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Blue tea is fine. Have seen many great trips come from a dark blue tea.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #26855556 - 07/31/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, there is no wrong color for tea.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #28216127 - 03/05/23 04:05 PM (11 months, 6 days ago)

So I just read your post that many years experience you have to know what you're talking about I'm a noob and I ground up my G t's I boiled water then I let it simmer to about a 130゚ then I poured it into the cup of ground up G t's With a bag of lemon tea I also added lemon juice and let it sit overnight And I woke up and it was blue. I am a first timer. I drink it anyways And I had a couple doses a couple weeks before From the same Flash they were weak as it was my 1st time. I just think that it turned blue because of the extra long Soak I also threw it in the fridge. As I'm writing this I just drank them 2 minutes ago so I'll see what Happens lol.


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Re: Blue tea = less potent? [Re: Kizzle]
    #28216136 - 03/05/23 04:08 PM (11 months, 6 days ago)

D*** that's blue mine didn't turn out that blue ha Lol


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