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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: psillyboy]
    #26794923 - 06/30/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you kindly tyrannicalrex & psillyboy, and thanks tyrannicalrex for your CWE experience.

I have re-named this thread "Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA" supported by 1992 adducts paper and 2016 Polish morning glory paper.

500ml ph=4 acidified spring water (prevents LSH from re-arranging to LSA in neutral water) containing filtered morning glory seed mush + one shot (30ml) of high acetaldehyde sherry (contains 10mg natural acetaldehyde) and 2 tablespoons fresh Bigelow leaf mint/peppermint fresh from foil chilled spring water made tea (contains 2mg natural acetaldehyde) w/or without 5 drops peppermint extract (contains avg 2mg acetaldehyde) and allowed to sit for 3 hours in fridge w/swirling once per hour for new 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde LSA to form with 100% conversion according to adducts paper.

Note: this converts the high levels of LSH and LSA in MG seeds to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA, by adduction of acetaldehyde to NH group indole on bottom of ergoline LSH/LSA ring indole.

Note how close the mystery molecule hypothetically formed is to looking like ALD-52 at the bottom indole NH group:

1) acetyl added to LSD at the bottom indole NH group to form ALD-52, acetyl = C2 H3 O, molar mass = 43 g/mol

2) acetaldehyde adducted to bottom indole NH group on LSH & LSA, acetaldehyde = C2 H4 O, molar mass = 44 g/mol

However, our transformed mystery molecules have one more hydrogen on the group as compared to the 43 g/mol of ALD-52's acetyl vs 44 g/mol of our molecule's acetaldehyde adduct, which may help even more with the resulting energizing trip vs sedating trip as with typical normal LSA saturated solutions.

Note: the recipe calls for use of morning glory seeds in dreams which contain high levels of LSH, we know from the 2014 Paulke forensics study that HBWR contains no LSH, but rather high levels of LSA/iso-LSA (83%) and around 17% ergometrine, which will transform to the 1-acetaldehyde versions of themselves as well, but ergometrine is not as strong as LSH. LSH is similar to LAE-32 active at 1.5mg in human experiments in TIHKAL, shown to be very "LSD like". Ergometrine in HBWR results in some cramping & vasoconstriction and side effects, ergometrine levels are extremely low in MG seeds in comparison.

All based on the studies above and mint which we know was added to the sacred entheogenic potion the priest administered. Read more about mint addition in the books "Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Wasson & prof Ruck and "Sacred mushrooms of the goddess, secrets of Eleusis" by prof Ruck...who describe the rites held at Eleusis for initiates in ancient Greece for over 2,000 years believed to be propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications. Plato, Socrates and a host of other philosophers drank the sacred entheogenic brew kept secret by the priest at Eleusis. Men, women and even slaves were allowed initiation.


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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26795177 - 06/30/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA

p.s. Have had 2 years of University Chemistry & many years of chem studies beyond that.

My other chemist friend just said the following, he backs up my argument after reading the studies....

downwardsfromzero:
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"2) acetaldehyde adducted to bottom indole NH group on LSH & LSA, acetaldehyde = C2 H4 O, molar mass = 44 g/mol"

The acetaldehyde adduct would be C2H5O, as CH3COH attached at the indolic nitrogen - another 1-hydroxyethyl group, just like in LSH. From what you describe, this seems like an argument for soaking one's N¹-unsubstituted lysergamides in cold peppermint sherry for a while before consumption. Would this also include tryptamines such as DMT-containing potions for oral consumption, one might wonder? And what about psiloc(yb)in?

As I've mentioned, my most successful plant-derived lysergamide experience - in dreams, of course - albeit with HBWR, coincided with intake of a fairly large quantity of brandy which, in all likelihood, produced a significant level of acetaldehyde within my body, exposing the plant lysergamides to the correct conditions (as reported in the Austin & Fraenkel-Conrat PNAS paper) within my stomach for the putative 1-(1-hydroxyethyl) or, rather, it seems, the 1-(1-ethoxyethyl) derivative to be formed. In this case, the effects were clearly stimulating, unlike the sedative effects usually reported for HBWR. I see that brandy weighs in fairly well on the acetaldehyde content scale as well, btw (post #17)

Looking at the PNAS paper, and the molecular structure "indole after p8441", what we appear to get is a 1-(1-ethoxyethyl)indole, with an ethyl group on the oxygen atom. This would be more lipophilic than the 1-(1-hydroxyethyl) derivative, as would, incidentally, the cinnamaldehyde adduct proposed by 69ron. It is only with the combination of both ethanol and acetaldehyde that we get a stable product. It would seem likely that under mildly acidic conditions ethanol and cinnamaldehyde (or, we might also surmise, any other sufficiently stable, sterically unhindered aldehyde) would also form a stable adduct. The systematic naming starts to get a bit horrible, but here goes: 1-(3-phenyl-1-ethyoxyprop-2-en-1-yl)indole derivatives. Now have a cookie.

And isovaleraldehyde would lead to the production of a 1-(1-ethoxy-3-methyl-1-butyl)indole derivative under this scheme. That'll have to do for now as I need to sleep. [EDIT: also of interest, we see the following: "Reaction mixtures were also prepared using 1-, 3-, and 4-carbon-chain aldehydes and alcohols. After 24 hr of reaction at ambient temperature, these alternative mixtures were analyzed on the same HPLC system. Reaction products (data not shown) were detected in all cases, except when the aldehyde was formaldehyde, and product retention time increased along with the length of the reagents' carbon chains. The yields decreased with increasing alcohol and aldehyde chain length (methanol/acetaldehyde - butanol/butyraldehyde)."]




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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26797502 - 07/01/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting that downwardsfromzero also found it stimulating in dreams and not sedating.

This on-line report by "u" echoes my own opinion of my own 2 dream experiences over a decade ago with ALD-52 as well "HIGHLY underestimated ALD 52". This is shown in order to relay a better understanding of similar qualities inherent to the hypothetical 1-acetaldehyde LSH. Again, LSH is found in high amounts in morning glory seeds (3x higher in seeds direct from grower vs retail) along with penniclavine (both CNS stimulants), but LSH is not found in HBWR, only LSA/iso-lsa (83%) and ergometrine (17%). LSA appears to be a breakdown product of LSH in the Shamanic mg seeds.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4yn8ou/highly_underestimated_ald52/
hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4yn8ou/highly_underestimated_ald52/

Highly visual & aesthetic, relaxed yet stimulating...actually had the chance in dreams to try ALD-52 around 10 years ago twice, and the blotter had diagrams of the ALD-52 molecule on the back of the blotter, and both times found the 200ug trips experienced in dreams to be PROFOUNDLY VISUAL, remember looking at a living woman's face and seeing it covered & overlayed with colored hieroglyphic symbols. The trip was very strong visually and yet found it relaxed and potently humorous, laughed for at least an hour watching episodes of "Funny or die" at the time.

Also remember seeing a group of Indian Shaman's sitting in a circle floating in mid-air when I walked into the bedroom, potent visuals...miss ALD-52, but the recipe above will transform the morning glory seed's LSH and LSA into similar molecules at least at the bottom indole NH group, which helps significantly in achieving a visually strong trip, sounds are amplified and music heavenly, strong audio heightening qualities, euphoric & stimulating yet relaxed journeys.

Anything longer than around the length of an acetaldehyde molecule (C2 H4 O) attached at the NH indole of the ergoline LSD molecule (especially 1-p-LSD, propionyl = C3 H5 O) may not fit properly into the very specific receptor binding site (as ALD-52 fits, acetyl = C2 H3 O), so cinnamaledehyde (C9 H8 O) and similar very long structures may not have a chance of docking into the receptor site properly.

David E. Nichols reportedly commented on the potential 1P-LSD serotonin receptor binding dynamics:
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I am sure that the 1-propionyl would also hydrolyze off of an indole, but I don't know whether in vivo conditions would work. In a chemistry lab, you can get off an N-benzoyl, so an N-propionyl will probably come off too. But in the body? I don't know the answer to that. The compound would not be active as the N-propionyl however. The way that LSD docks into the 5-HT2A receptor, the indole NH hydrogen bonds to serine 5.46. With the propionyl, it won't fit into the receptor.



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From sedation to --> stimulation & increased visuals, hypothesis:

Harmaline (C13 H14 N2 O) is an example of a betacarboline (class of indole alkaloid compounds) that when it gains 2 hydrogen molecules on it's indole --> transforms into tetrahydroharmine (C13 H16 N2 O), transforming from "sedating dreamy visual harmaline" to "stimulating & visually bright & colorful tetrahydroharmine". Harmaline does a complete 180 degree transformation with the addition of 2 hydrogen molecules on it's indole --> turning from tranquilizing to energizing.

According to a 2012 paper "Various alkaloid profiles in decoctions of Banisteriopsis caapi" by Dr. JC Callaway found in Ref (1) at bottom in wikipedia under the entry for "tetrahydroharmine" large amounts of the energizing & euphoric THH were found in the Ayahuasca brews prepared by the Vegetal groups UDV and Santo Daime.

Dr. Shulgin has said in the "Entheogen Review Journal" that vitamin C acts as a "hydrogen doner"Shocked and when the Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca with vitamin C for long periods of time, the vitamin C contributes two hydrogens to the harmaline in the brew, converting all the leftover harmaline to tetrahydroharmine. How is that for Alchemy?

In fact, in the above paper, no harmaline was found leftover in the brews prepared by the Santo Daime, their Alchemy brewing process had converted all the leftover harmaline to THH. Page 2 of above paper shows zero mg of harmaline was left in each & every one of the brews. In another study mentioned in the same paper, the "likeness" of the brews transformed into ones with high levels of THH were rated by the members at an all time high, and preferred over brews with harmaline. There was so much THH in their brews according to page 4 of the study, that it was found in a 1:1 ratio with harmine.

This may translate over to LSA as well ie "the sedating qualities" Confused of LSA into "stimulating qualities" Smile like 1-acetaldehyde LSA and an "even more stimulating & visual" version of LSH --> into 1-acetaldehyde LSH.

LSA (C16 H17 N3 O) + acetaldehyde (C2 H4 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetaldehyde LSA
LSH (C18 H21 N3 O) + acetaldehyde (C2 H4 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetaldehyde LSH
LSD (C20 H25 N3 O) + acetal (C2 H3 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetal LSD (C22 H27 N3 O2) or ALD-52

LSA could be transforming from a "sedating" version of itself into a "stimulating" version of itself, and LSH becoming even more stimulating/visual as they both gain double the anti-serotonin properties (just as ALD-52 is 2.1 times the anti-serotonin strength of LSD), just as we know that tetrahydroharmine in caapi is a strong SRI (serotonin reuptake inhibitor, strongly anti-serotonin) and thus stimulating like coffee vs sleepy harmaline.

Does THH also become a more visual form of harmaline? many believe so, but in a different way. Psychonaut wiki reports that at doses of 200mg, it has been reported to cause dream-like euphoria, pleasurable tingling sensations/bodily felt high vibrational frequency and an extensive array of psychedelic effects. The literature from Dr. Naranjo (1967) reports visionary qualities at 300mg, defining them as "oneirophrenic" or fantasy & dream-inducing visions. Quote "Other recurrent visual phenomena were a rapid lateral vibration in the field of vision and double or multiple contours in objects, especially when these were in motion or when the subject's eyes turned away from them. Some described lightning-like flashes. With closed eyes, imagery was abundant and most often vivid and bright colored, with a predominance of red-green or blue-orange contrasts. Long dream-like sequences were common with certain themes."

Professor Benny Shanon who took Ayahuasca over 125 times said the visions are completely un-like sleeping dreams and involve instead visions of ancient civilizations, Royalty & people of great Spiritual prominence, mythical & heavenly scenes, animals (especially birds), artwork, grand architecture and palaces, gardens like those seen at Versailles in France, floral scenes, ET's and spaceships, etc.

Researchers believe it is most likely a combination of the small amounts of harmaline (10 to 40mg) in Caapi along with the modest amounts of THH in Caapi (2nd highest ingredient) that are responsible for the Ayahuasca visions, formed even without addition of admixture leaf, which is said by the Shaman's to add brightness and color to the visions formed by the Caapi, which is considered "Ayahuasca" by the Shamans whether without or with the admixture leaf added.

Will LSA & LSH become more visual forms of themselves as the 1-acetadehyde versions? definitely believe so! based on dream experiences comparing recipe enhanced versions vs. non transformed extracts from the past.

How else are we to explain the highly visual and stimulating properties of these 1-acetaldehyde versions vs the normal sedating qualilties of LSA? Remember how Kash said he always got visuals & stimulation with the 15 minute peppermint soaked LSA vs the non-peppermint soaked LSA which was sedating, uncomfortable & no visuals? Also see trip reports from myself, 69ron & Kash at beginning of thread & downwardsfromzero also recognized the stimulating properties of the new acetaldehyde adducted extract vs normal extract which he writes about in a dream above. Kash is known for his extensive LSA extraction dreams stickied at top. Krystle Cole writes for several pages about her powerful "ergot wine" experiences in the book "Lysergic".

The 1992 adducts paper specifically adducts acetaldehyde to indole at the NH group in one experiment using acetaldehyde in ph=4 water solution found to happen over time "with or without the addition of ethanol" (they tried it both ways)...giving excellent yield of new product formed, 60% in 1 hour, and even greater yield in less time when they reduced the amount of acetaldehyde used to only 0.1% acetaldehyde solution! Just like the process I dreamed decades ago several times, to replicate the study as best as possible, letting solution sit in fridge for 3 hours with swirling once per hour.

Study calls for ph=4 water solution, which is what I dreamed...as that is the ph necessary for rapid new product creation yield according to the researchers, yield was slower at higher ph...not to mention acidic conditions are necessary to keep the natural LSH extracted from the seeds from re-arranging (decomposing) to LSA as will happen in neutral water, very fast in alkaline water, or when heated.

What was dreamed decades ago was Bigelow fresh mint/peppermint combo leaf sealed and packaged in foil along with 5 drops of peppermint extract. You can find it at your local grocery store in the herbal tea isle.

Fresh MG seeds you will need to grow or locate direct from a reputable grower, as the seeds sitting on racks in retail were found by the study to contain 3x less LSH vs direct from grower. If you find or grow good seeds, vacuum pack and freeze the extras, so they will retain their potency indefinately.

The study said "LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism." (1.71 LSH from producer seeds vs 0.54 LSH from retail rack seeds).

The sources were clear that the kykeon's other ingredient, mint (menthe pulegium) was fresh mint. Mint appears to have played a symbolic role in Eleusinian myth; being Hades' concubine, Mint was "dismembered by the jealous wife Persephone." See Wasson, "The Road to Eleusis", 111. The end.

Shown below, Dr. Shulgin in "Entheogen Review" describes how harmaline gains 2 hydrogen atoms from Vitamin C doner Shocked (same way Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca for long periods) transforming all the harmaline in their brews into the stimulating, euphoric & colorfully visual anti-serotonin alkaloid tetrahydroharmine, via an Alchemy process. In a similar way LSH & LSA in the thread's recipe brew are transforming to their stimulating doubly anti-serotonin cousins 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde LSA.

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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26801370 - 07/03/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The likely range in any mg species may fall between .005% and .079% total indole alkaloids in different batches of seeds. Freshly harvested seeds are best.

From the 2016 Polish morning glory study:
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We found 1.71 LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) from seeds bought from growers on-line vs 0.54 LSH (compound to IS ratio) from retail rack seeds found in the stores. 3x higher levels of LSH in seeds direct from growers. LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism.



Based on my dream experiences with FRESHLY harvested seeds right off the vine in the fall, the LSH compound to IS ratio is likely as high as 3.00, even higher then seeds bought from growers on-line, likely due to being picked super fresh & ever so slightly un-ripe (still black & hard though), having been fed miracle grow once a month. The seeds picked fresh are extremely potent based on my several dreams, and it is best to vacuum pack and freeze all the extra seeds picked right away so they will keep their super high potency indefinately.

Erowid report:
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The unripened seed pods of the Morning Glory reveal a white, much larger, soft seed with some green in the middle of the kernel. I have found that this state of the seeds is more than twice as potent as the black dried seeds. 400 dried is similar to a little less than one hit LSD. 400 fresh is like about 2 or three hits.



My current favorite way to grow the Heavenly Blue morning glory (attached pics) is to plant 8 plants in a 17" wide x 15" huge tall beautiful Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot (shown in pic) with a piece of "rolled up welded-wire fence" inside the pot that will unwind automatically and fit the interior of the pot perfectly. I first fill the clay pot up with 3/4 miracle grow potting soil and 1/4 cow manure compost, both found at your local garden store. I mix it all together and add a handful of perlite to help water flow and aeration of oxygen in the soil.

The brand of wire fence is "Red-brand welded wire-fence" and it comes in rolls of 5 foot tall by like 100 foot wide, comes in a roll for only fifty bucks, you just use tin snips to cut off a piece, and then stick it inside your pot. The morning glories will climb the fence and produce thousands of seeds within the abundant number of seed pods formed at the end of the growing season in the fall. You can find the rolls of fence in the garden section at your local big box garden store. They have all different sizes.

The galvanized welded wire fence is so lightweight, you can even stack & wire tie another 5 foot section on top the first 5 foot section, for a total of 10 feet tall in all!

I then put the clay pot on the side of the patio (on top some 1 foot x 1 foot bricks to level it) so that it gets morning sun only, so the plants won't burn. I guarantee this method is cheap, easy, mobile, and allows many plants to grow in one single container with high quality soil, feed it once a month only with 1 tablespoon of miracle grow powder added to 1 gallon watering can with spout, this will keep the foliage down, but the flowers very large, and the lysergic acid amide levels very high. Super potent seeds produced this way at end of fall, which can be vacuum packed and frozen to keep their super high LSH/penniclavine potency indefinately. The teamwork between the high levels of LSH and penniclavine in the seeds is imho what produces the extraordinarily potent entheogenic & very euphoric dreams.

Note: Penniclavine (found in high amounts in the seeds, found to be CNS stimulating, Yui & Takeo) is a metabolite of agroclavine, and is active at the following brain receptor sites: Dopamine D1A, Dopamine D1B, 5-ht2a, Adrenal A2A, Adrenal A2B & Adrenal A2D, in comparison LSD (as far as adrenal sites are concerned) only has activity at A2A, but zero activity at A2B, A2C, and A2D.



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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26804776 - 07/05/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Added a 3 foot section round fence on top the 5 foot section fence (just used plastic tie wraps to secure both together) so that it is 8 foot tall in all, so morning glories can climb even taller. I like the 8 foot total tall section over 10 foot tall the best (too high). Fence sits inside a beautiful 17" wide x 15" tall Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot, the rolled up fence fits perfectly and does not budge, very secure in place.

The planter doesn't actually stand exposed like this, just moved it so could take a decent picture. The planter's fence normally rests 2" in front of the back of a tall patio wall structure, where it normally receives 6 hours of morning sun and 1 hour of afternoon sun, no blazing afternoon sun, so the plants won't burn. Also shielded from wind this way. I cut the fence down to 7 foot tall in total, looks great.

Used a soft sewing fabric loose measuring tape to confirm that the round "rolled up fence" gives me the equivalent growing area equal to four feet wide of normal fence, but even better, as it's 7 foot tall in all...this will produce thousands of high potency seeds which can be picked end of fall season, vacuum packed & frozen right away to preserve high potency indefinitely. 400 freshly picked seeds are the equivalent of around 2 hits of acid in dreams, slightly un-ripe seeds the equivalent of around 3 hits in dreams, whereas 400 normal older black dried seeds are around equivalent of 1 hit of acid in dreams. However, the penniclavine levels in the seeds are extremely high, which adds greatly imho to the strong euphoria factor when combined with the high levels of natural LSH, plant alkaloid teamwork.

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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26809582 - 07/07/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)
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This is the dream summary...

I know nobody wants to hear this, but the 2014 Forensics study by Paulke (you can download the complete 9 page paper from this thread saids that HBWR contains NO LSH, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. Whereas fresh morning glory contains very high amounts of LSH and penniclavine according to 2016 Polish mg study. LSH was discovered by Hofmann in the seeds around 1967, he put color pics of it in his book "LSD, my problem child" and apparently even told Owsley it was very "LSD like".

TIHKAL saids LAE-32 (which is very similar to LSH) is active at 1.5mg and was said by human experimenters to be "LSD like" at 1.5mg and up and stimulating. Pennicalvine is active at most dopamine receptors, 5ht2a, and 3 adrenal receptors, and is very stimulating and euphoric, as it is a dopamine & adrenal agonist. Again LSH and penniclavine are not in HBWR. Ergometrine in HBWR does have some psychedelic effects, but it is not as strong as LSH, also ergometrine in HBWR causes some side effects like cramping and vasoconstriction, ergometrine is found in morning glory seeds only in very small amounts, see the study with pics here, gives all the levels within the seeds with spectrograms and tables.

It is likely the acetaldehyde in one shot of sherry (sherry contains 10mg acetaldehyde in 1 shot or 30ml) is adducting onto the LSA alkaloids in the seeds which is theoretically causing it to be stimulating and more visual. See trip reports from myself, 69ron & Kash. Unfortunately, 69ron and Kash only dreamed with HBWR seeds.

But acetaldehyde when it adducts onto LSH (not found in HBWR), turns into a more powerful version of LSH which is even more visual and even more stimulating imho, Peppermint extract can do the same thing as it contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops....or same in 1 tablespoon of Bigelow's mint/peppermint fresh from foil pack tea works just as well, at your grocery store in tea herbal isle.

Acetaldehyde will also adduct onto penniclavine forming 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine.

Ethanol is not necessary for the adducts to form, it can form with our without ethanol according to the 1992 adducts study. See the 1992 adducts study here, but it does need to sit for around 3 hours if possible in the fridge (and only extract with acidified water, ph=4 is what the study used, which is what author used in dreams), and swirled every so often (once an hour). Recipe given in thread, as it works just like the study, very potent dreams.

LSH only survives if you extract the morning glory seed mush with acidic water, as it decomposes to LSA in neutral water, very fast in alkaline water, or water that is heated. Examples given in thread of several people who used lemon juice acidified water (hermes, nogal, etc.) in thread who had very powerful trips and visions as they extracted the LSH from the mg seeds without it decomposing, Author did the same thing using ph=4 DL tartaric acid water which was cold.

Author has been trying to get people to stop "eating the seeds already" cause if they would just use acidic water they would get all the same great effects as eating the seeds, but without the nausea.

Several teens went to emergency room a year ago after eating the seeds, it is bad on the stomach. The shamans & indigenous people would extract QUICKLY with water and drink it right away (Wasson et al). The water in the amazon is slightly acidic as well.

HBWR also has no history of Shamanic use, while morning glory has centuries of documented Shamanic use, personally author only dreams entheogens which have a long history of Shamanic use.

Ever notice how everyone on the net has used wine and or mint with ONLY HBWR and never with Shamanic used morning glory seeds which contain not only LSH in high amounts, but also the euphoric and entheogenic penniclavine in extremely high amounts (see graph below)? Author has yet to find anyone use study recipe with morning glory seeds besides thread's author.

Top: LSH levels are almost as high as LSA levels in morning glory seeds! and that spectrogram was taken with retail store seeds. 3x higher LSH found in seeds direct from growers. 400 black dried seeds equal to less than 1 hit of acid in dreams, 400 fresh off the vine seeds equal to around 2 hits of acid in dreams, but 400 slightly un-ripe seeds equal to around 3 hits of acid in dreams, the LSH to LSA ratio levels are higher the fresher. Vacuum pack & freeze the seeds to keep their potency indefinitely.

Bottom: What happens to LSH under strong ionic conditions or in neutral, alkaline or warm/hot water (it decomposes to LSA) unless it is extracted from seed mush into acidic water.

Very bottom: Artist Jillian Evelyn (Juxtapoz) “The girls I was drawing started kind of contorting as a reflection of how I felt about my job and about the way I had been living my life,” she explains. “It’s just about bending to society’s expectations.”

https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/magazine/features/jillian-evelyn-beyond-breaking-the-mold/



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4830885/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/





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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tregar]
    #26809897 - 07/07/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fresh peppermint leaves and a cold brew tea of HBWR seeds with the hulls temoved. Have fun. LSH is a hell of a drug


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26810189 - 07/08/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Some have mistakenly believed for years unfortunately that the LSA was turning into LSH outside the seeds, but that is just not possible without a catalyst and a handful of chemical steps that can only be done in a professional lab with setups to protect from oxygen, light, starting from lysergic acid, and not LSA no less. Only the plant (which is a chemical factory on it's own) can do that. LSH is found naturally in the morning glory seeds. The original thread from Lycaeum was misconstrued.

Double 17" wide x 15" tall Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot growers for Heavenly Blue morning glory, each securely holding (will not budge) a 4 foot round x 7 foot tall welded round fence, equivalent growing space of a normal 4 foot wide x 7 foot tall fence.



Soil = 3/4 miracle grow potting soil + 1/4 cow manure compost + 2 cups of perlite for oxygen aeration + water flow. Each pot will house 8 plants, seeds have been planted. End of fall will produce thousands of fresh seeds which can be vacuum packed & frozen right away to keep high potency indefinitely. But it's the flowers for their visual asthetics in the morning that is heavenly.

5 Best Potting Soil for Plants: www.greenandvibrant.com/best-potting-soil

Cow manure compost ($2 a bag from garden store) makes an excellent growing medium when fed to plants, cow manure when composted becomes a nutrient-rich fertilizer, many gardeners use it.



The purple coleus seen in the pic to the left and right of double morning glory planters also have a mix of 3/4 soil to 1/4 composted cow manure & perlite, the coleus are huge after only 2 months and started out as very small, use composted cow manure in all my plant mixes.

Benefits of cow manure compost: https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/composting/manures/cow-manure-compost.htm

The application of NPK fertilizer + composted cattle manure increased crop yield by 48.9%Shocked compared to NPK fertilization alone ---> from 2017 Frontiers in Microbiology, 05 September 2017 "Composted Cattle Manure Increases Microbial Activity and Soil Fertility."

The 1992 study recipe in this thread as mentioned earlier will not only convert LSH to 1-acetaldehyde LSH, but will also convert the euphoric and stimulating penniclavine into 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine. LSD only agonizes adrenal A2A (as far as adrenal receptors), while penniclavine agonizes adrenal A2A, A2C, & A2D, along with 5-ht2a and most of the dopamine receptors.

The adrenal receptors are hit heavily by natural entheogens like mescaline, Ayahuasca with caapi, shrooms, and are believed by some to be responsible for alot of the "aesthetics/euphoria/appreciation of beauty" feeling activity that is experienced while tripping. There is a very strong euphoria component to the mg seeds, and I believe it has to do with the alkaloid teamwork between high LSH levels and the extremely high penniclavine levels in the seeds, even the researchers were shocked at the very high penniclavine levels discovered in all 3 batches of seeds they tested.

Thanks for your tips on growing coleus during wintertime as well, this is my first year growing coleus. Started them in May.

In fresher seeds there's mainly LSH (in relation to LSA). Only in old seeds, the LSA is dominant. The is because the fungi on the plant can only biosynthesize LSH (not LSA), and LSA is then a decomposition product of LSH over time.

The fungi on the vines biosynthesize:

From Tryptophan-->chanoclavine-->agroclavine-->elymoclavine-->lysergic acid-->ergometrine-->LSH, which then decomposes over time into LSA.

There's no doubt in my mind that the initiates at Eleusis in ancient Greece for 2,000 years were most likely tripping on 1-acetaldehyde LSH and 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine, both adduct conversion products of the LSH & penniclavine + mint. The Priest used mint in the brew for sure as we know this from the ancient writings.

We also know that Claviceps paspali infected wild grass Paspalum distichum L, which has been known to grow in the famous Rarian plain adjacent to Eleusis contains identical alkaloids as found in the Mexican morning-glory seeds. We also find from the writings that several people had snuck the brew out of Eleusis and consumed it at parties.


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26810391 - 07/08/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So what you are saying is that fresh peppermint tea will not change the LSA to LSH? The effects of the tea are very distict when compared to esting the seeds raw or consuming a CWE.

Definitely a more visual experience, LSA tends to have the most powerful body high ive experienced from any psychedelic substance, LSH on the other hand is more comparable to a classic psychedelic experience of LSD.  The leaves need to be fresh from the plant and the HBWR seeds need to be prepared properly to achieve this.

If you prepare HBWR correctly there is no nausea to be felt. Remove the hulls with your fingernails.


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26817922 - 07/11/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Psychotomimetics of the Convolvulaceae pg 93:
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This particular plant seems to have been more important to the Aztecs in divinity then Peyotl or Teonanacatl, two of their other classical sacred plants.




Jonathan Ott "Pharmacotheon":
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Ololiuhqui was far more prominent as an entheogen here in Mesoamerica than those mushrooms; the mushrooms are mentioned only here and there by a few competent chroniclers; yet almost an entire book was devoted to denouncing mainly the ololiuhqui idolatry. The annals of the Inquisition contain many times more autos de fe for ololiuhqui than for mushrooms.



The fresher the seeds, the higher the LSH to LSA ratio. LSA is a decomposition product of the labile (unstable or fragile) LSH over time. So vacuum pack & freeze those seeds as soon as you pick them from the pods! Ideal time is when the seed pod just lost its green, as then they have the best LSH/LSA ratio and being overall the most potent. LSH will decompose to LSA unless seed mush is extracted into acidic water (squirt of lemon juice, a crushed vitamin C, DL tartaric acidified to ph=4, etc). You can refrigerate seeds in a jar you intend to use for growing next season.

Penniclavine is euphoric and stimulating (Yui & Takeo). LSD only agonizes adrenal A2A (as far as adrenal receptors), while penniclavine agonizes adrenal A2A, A2C, & A2D, along with 5-ht2a and most of the dopamine receptors.The adrenal receptors are hit heavily by natural entheogens like mescaline, Ayahuasca with caapi, shrooms, and are believed by some to be responsible for alot of the "aesthetics/euphoria/appreciation of beauty" feeling activity that is experienced while tripping. There is a very strong euphoria component to the mg seeds, and I believe it has to do with the alkaloid teamwork between high LSH levels and the extremely high penniclavine levels in the seeds, even the researchers were shocked at the very high penniclavine levels discovered in all 3 batches of seeds they tested.

400 normal dry black seeds = less than 1 hit of acid (60 mics), 400 fresh off the vine black dark seeds = around 2 hits of acid (120 mics) in dreams, 400 slightly un-ripe seeds = around 3 hits of acid (180 mics) in dreams. Comparison to 1990's acid, most modern acid = 100 mics per hit.

Report from Erowid mg vault & verified same by dream self 20 years ago, when picked fresh from vine that had been started in 3/4 miracle grow potting soil + 1/4 composted cattle manure compost (both from garden store). Also fed 1 tablespoon miracle grow powder in 1 gallon watering can with spout x once a month to produce seeds high in lysergic acid amides. Produced VERY potent seeds, guarantee it.



The application of NPK fertilizer (miracle grow) + composted cattle manure increased crop yield by 48.9% compared to NPK fertilizer alone ---> from 2017 Frontiers in Microbiology, 05 Sept 2017 "Composted Cattle Manure Increases Microbial Activity and Soil Fertility." P.S. Some users report that their plants grew three times in size once they added miracle grow soil to their existing potting soil.



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To avoid the "slimy stuff" with mg seed mush, try only briefly soaking the seed mush in the cold acidified water, as the longer it sits, the more chance slime has to form. Experiment to see how long it can sit with occasional swirling before it starts to form slime.

See section on cotton ball in a funnel filtering on page 3 post #41. It's the tiny particles the cotton blocks & collects that are irritating to the intestines and stomach. You will need to change out the cotton several times, as it will clog now and then, when that happens, just pour off the remaining contents of funnel #1 into adjacent funnel #2 sitting in a jar with cotton, to continue the filtering process in real time, while funnel #2 is filtering, change out the cotton in funnel #1, and continue back and forth as needed.

At the end, combine all your cotton and wring it out over a single funnel with cotton to filter it one last time as well, this way nothing of value is left behind...it takes practice. If you prefer, you can use the tea bag method proposed by Hermes in post #41 instead.
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You can add the mint and shot of sherry AFTER you have extracted your seed mush with cold acidic water (this is the way I personally dream it), then let filtered solution sit in fridge for 3 hours with swirling once per hour for adducts to form.

Wasson reported that the indigenous people would often combine the seed mush extract water with a form of beer/mead they would make, they must have know about the adduct enhancement too!

This thread recommends adding one shot of sherry (contains 10mg acetaldehyde) and/or 5 drops peppermint extract (contains 2mg acetaldehyde) and/or 1 tablespoon worth of Bigelow's combo mint/peppermint foil sealed fresh leaf (contains 3mg acetaldehyde) to filtered seed extract & letting sit for 3 hours in fridge with swirling once per hour to form the "even more visual & stimulating" 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine...similar to how LSD is transformed to ALD-52 with the addition of an acetyl at the indole NH group.

Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch:
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The fresh or dried seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37). Balché is a mildly intoxicating beverage that was commonly consumed by the ancient Maya in what is now Mexico and upper Central America. Today, it is still common among the Yucatec Maya. The drink is made from the bark of a leguminous tree, Lonchocarpus violaceus, which is soaked in honey and water, and fermented.



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When the Indigenous people and Shamans made the cold water extract, they would "quickly" dunk the seed mush in water, extracting it fast, and then drank as soon as possible, as we know that neutral water will decompose the LSH to LSA if left to sit too long, how they discovered all this naturally is amazing. LSH is stable however in cold acidic water. The actives from the seed embryo are already in salt form and will dissolve into the water as they are water soluble. Amazonian water is also naturally slightly acidic.

The fresh black dried or slightly un-ripe seeds will have a potency that will greatly exceed ethnobotanical store bought seeds. The LSH to LSA ratio is extremely high when freshly picked, I would not doubt that LSH is at the levels of penniclavine at that point. That's probably what the plant is trying to achieve with it's natural chemical factory.
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The 2015 forensics study by Paulke found no LSH or penniclavine in HBWR, only 83% lsa/iso-lsa and 17% ergometrine, rest minor clavine alkaloids. Also, HBWR has no history of Shamanic use, only medicinal use. Ergometrine has some psychedelic effects, but it is not as strong as LSH and causes some mild cramping and vasoconstriction, see below:

3 experimenter's effects when ingesting pure ergonovine, another name for ergometrine (found in HBWR), June 1979 Journal of Psychedelic Drugs:
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In the January-June 1979 issue of the Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Jeremy Bigwood, Jonathan Ott, Catherine Thompson and Patricia Neely report on their attempt to replicate Hofmann's finding in three experiments with ergonovine maleate, each time in one pastoral setting. They were following up Wasson and Ruck, who tried the same amount as Hofmann but "did not experience distinct entheogenic effects."

With Thompson acting as a guide, three of them took 3mg. of ergonovine maleate, which appeared as a slightly phosphorescent bluish solution in water. Fifteen minutes later they felt like lying down and looking at the sky; then there were "very mild visual alterations, characterized by perception of an 'alive' quality in inanimate objects." Most of this effect passed within an hour; walking along the beach, they experienced mild leg cramps. Bigwood saw eidetic imagery before going to bed, and the three "slept easily...awakening refreshed in the morning."

The three experimenters were "convinced that ergonovine was psychoactive, but only J.B. was persuaded the drug was entheogenic." They decided to try it again two weeks later in an increased dosage of 5 mg., but Neely took only 3.75mg. "Again, we experienced lassitude and leg cramps, more pronounced than in the earlier experiment." The psychic effects were more intense than previously, particularly eidetic imagery. "Now it was clear to all of us that ergonovine was entheogenic...The entheogenic effects, however, were very mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. We had none of the euphoria characteristic of LSD and Psilocybin experiences."

To determine if higher consciousness alteration was possible, they tried larger oral doses of ergonovine maleate a week later. This time, Neely took a dose of 7.5mg and the others took 10mg:

"One of us (J.O.) described "flashes in periphery, ringing in ears, inner restlessness" 40 minutes after ingestion, and later noted "mild hallucinosis, cramps in legs and felt the cramping in the legs as painful and debilitating. The psychic effects did not increase with the same magnitude as the somatic effects...For what seemed like hours, we lay on our backs atop a small pumphouse, watching fluffy cumulus clouds pass silently above us. The effects were still quite intense six hours after ingestion. One of us experienced abundant eidetic imagery, rapidly-changing, colorful geometric patterns, undulating, never still. We all had a slight hangover the following morning."





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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tregar]
    #26819896 - 07/12/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can one extract the seeds with just a simple crush, soak in 190 proof alcohol, strained and evap/dry, then scrape into caps?


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26819988 - 07/12/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Tyrannicalrex said:
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Can one extract the seeds with just a simple crush, soak in 190 proof alcohol, strained and evap/dry, then scrape into caps?


Great question, unfortunately that will destroy the LSH, as LSH is labile/fragile/unstable and only survives in cold acidic water. LSH will decompose to LSA quickly if above procedure is done.


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tregar]
    #26819996 - 07/12/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

so how long for a CWE and what ratios? Let's say comparable to 2 hits of 110ug LSD. Also would really years old seeds work at all? Over ten years?


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26820017 - 07/12/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

400 normal dry black seeds = less than 1 hit of acid (60 mics), 400 fresh off the vine black dark seeds = around 2 hits of acid (120 mics) in dreams, 400 slightly un-ripe seeds = around 3 hits of acid (180 mics) in dreams. Comparison to 1990's acid, most modern acid = 100 mics per hit.

The cold water extraction is fast less than 20 minutes, covered in above posts, seed mush is extracted into ph=4 acidified fridge cold spring or distilled water. Hermes & Nogal used a squirt of lemon juice in their water, this dreamer used DL tartaric acid acidifed water to ph=4 (doesn't take much at all), but electronic ph meter from ebay is required for $7, cheap.

This dreamer filtered with jar holding a cotton ball in a large automotive funnel, see pic of it in post #1, Hermes used tea-bag method, also in post #1, two different ways of filtering, your choice...coffee filters are useless and will not allow anything to flow.


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    #26820630 - 07/13/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone happen to know if the following species contain Ergine, LSH, or related alkaloids:

Ipomoea pandurata

Ipomoea nil

Calystegia spithamaea

Ipomoea sagittata

If you do happen to know, what is the dosage and preparation for the flowers or the seeds?


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Re: Morning Glory Species [Re: 4isthesacrednumber]
    #26820638 - 07/13/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The one I grow is ipomoea tricolor, many of those species can be looked up on "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" by Christian Ratsch (940 pages, 1998).


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Re: Morning Glory Species [Re: tregar]
    #26820660 - 07/13/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I will have to see if the wild ones theat grow here are psychedelic. I might be able to expand my foraging portfolio.


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Re: Morning Glory Species [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26820789 - 07/13/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for replies Shroomhunts, 4isthesacrednumber & tyrannicalrex

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In fresher seeds there's mainly LSH (in relation to LSA). Only in old seeds, the LSA is dominant. This is because the fungi on the plant can only biosynthesize LSH (not LSA), and LSA is then a decomposition product of LSH over time.

The fungi on the vines biosynthesize:

From Tryptophan-->chanoclavine-->agroclavine-->elymoclavine-->lysergic acid-->ergometrine-->LSH, which then decomposes over time into LSA.



The main point I'm trying to make is that I believe (based on my potent dream experiences in the past) that the freshly picked slightly unripe seeds have LSH levels equivalent to the sky high penniclavine levels in the seeds (5.00 LSH to 5.00 penniclavine ratio, vs 1.71 LSH to 5.08 penniclavine ratio in seeds bought direct from growers, vs 0.54 LSH to 4.75 penniclavine in seeds sitting on racks in retail stores).

LSH is labile, fragile & unstable and only survives outside the seed in cold acidic water extracts. The researchers concluded rightly that LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration are due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism. Keep in mind the ethnobotanical stores and growers of the seeds do not freeze the seeds right away like I did to preserve their high potency...rather the LSH in the seeds decomposes to LSA over time.

The plant is a complex chemical factory who's main objective besides producing heavenly looking flowers is to produce LSH & penniclavine both in the highest amounts possible, alkaloid teamwork which results in impressive potent entheogenic & strongly euphoric dreams. The seeds in this state can be vacuum packed and frozen to preserve their high potency indefinitely.

I know acid is everywhere, and most could care less about morning glory seeds, but that's not the point, the point is this:

It is believed by many that a CWE (cold water extract) of ergot was used in the sacred brew the initiates drank at Eleusis in ancient Greece for over 2000 years straight. We know from the writings that the brew also had mint added to it which would theoretically contribute to changing the brew to one with more concentrated 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine, which is even "more visual & stimulating" then normal LSH & penniclavine.

The main constituents of the Mexican morning-glory seeds are also the main alkaloids in ergot growing on the wild grass Paspalum distichum L. This grass grows commonly all around the Mediterranean basin (where the Eleusian rites were held) and is often infected with Claviceps paspali. It contains only alkaloids that are hallucinogenic and which could even have been used directly in powder form. The famous Rarian plain was adjacent to Eleusis.

The water soluble aldehyde: acetaldehyde is not only found in peppermint but mint as well. The 1992 adducts study shows that acetaldehyde will easily adduct to the NH group of the bottom indole of LSH & penniclavine. The researchers adducted acetaldehyde to the NH group of an indole with high yield in a short time with nothing more than water and 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, it can be done with our without ethanol, they showed it made no difference. I duplicated their study over 22 years ago, and confirmed the resulting alkaloids from a morning glory CWE were even more visual & stimulating. Comparisons can be made to LSD which converts to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) when acetyl is adducted onto the bottom NH group indole.

ALD-52 is a cousin of LSD shown by Sandoz to have less side effects while achieving a stronger more relaxed trip, with twice the anti-serotonin properties of LSD, and the more anti-serotonin, the more stimulating, which may help to explain why the trips resulting from the recipe's transformed ergoline molecules result in very visual & euphoric psychedelic trips which are energizing and not sedating. You can view ALD-52 sample trips at Erowid's vault. However, our transformed mystery molecules have one more hydrogen on the group as compared to the 43 g/mol of ALD-52's acetyl vs 44 g/mol of our molecule's acetaldehyde adduct, which may help even more with the resulting energizing trip vs sedating trip as with typical normal LSA saturated solutions.

Sample ALD-52 trip: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4yn8ou/highly_underestimated_ald52/
HIGHLY underestimated ALD-52

We know from Plato's writings that the priest administering the sacred brew were seen with purple stains on their robes (see the book "The Road to Eleusis" by Wasson, Hofmann & Ruck), which likely came from sclerotia of the ergot fungus. When a CWE (cold water extract of ergot) is performed, the toxic non-water soluble ergopeptines are left behind and only the good water soluble psychedelic alkaloids dissolve into the water...there was plenty of ergot growing in ancient Greece at the time, and would have been more than enough to serve the hundreds of people who made the pilgrimage to Eleusis to drink the sacred brew.

Another option was Claviceps paspali infected wild grass Paspalum distichum L, which has been known to grow in the famous Rarian plain adjacent to Eleusis. It contains identical alkaloids as found in the Mexican morning-glory seeds. This means the freshly powdered claviceps paspali would also have sky high amounts of LSH & penniclavine and could have even been used directly in powdered form. We also find from the writings that several people had snuck the brew out of Eleusis and consumed it at parties. It is my personal opinion that this is what the priest used for over 2,000 years in the sacred brew.

The Eleusinian Mysteries were initiations held every year for the cult of Demeter and Persephone based at the Panhellenic Sanctuary of Eleusis in ancient Greece. They are the "most famous of the secret religious rites of ancient Greece". Persephone's rebirth is symbolic of the rebirth of all plant life and the symbol of eternity of life that flows from the generations that spring from each other. Numerous scholars have proposed that the power of the Eleusinian Mysteries came from the kykeon's functioning as an entheogen, or psychedelic agent.

The initiates, sensitized by their fast and prepared by preceding ceremonies, are believed to have been propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications. Men, women and even slaves were allowed initiation. Plato, "the ultimate design of the Mysteries...was to lead us back to the principles from which we descended...a perfect enjoyment of intellectual [spiritual] good."

Krystle Cole from the book "Lysergic":
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"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.

LSD chemist Todd Skinner replied "Yes, except for he did a water infusion of the ergot, instead of alcohol. Todd had prepared 6 jugs of ergot wine and stored them for many years.

Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience (several pages long) in the book "Lysergic", reported that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head.



Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch:
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The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37).



Apparently, the Aztec and Mayans already knew about the acetaldehyde adducting properties of wine, alcohol, etc. when mixed with extracts of the seeds, converting the alkaloids as I had discovered to even more potent entheogenic versions of themselves.

This is how I got into growing mg, put it in quotes because I feel it was more a message from the Aztec Shaman:
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Over 20 years ago, a girl and I both dropped 10 hits each of super old 15 year old decomposed acid, it had a sick feeling for the first 2 hours, but then it worked and skyrocketed us to a higher divine plane, it was very strong.

She and I both saw the exact same vision for 20 minutes straight which had formed out of the shadows cast by the fake Christmas tree lights onto the wall--a 20 minute "schooling" by an ancient powerful & spiritually prominent Shaman from Aztec era (he looked very much like pic below)---I have never had an experience like that ever again to this day--it was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The Shaman sat on a living throne made of spirit animals (birds, jaguars, otters, pumas, macaws, toucans) that morphed into other animals constantly, to the left and right of him were centaurs (half animal below, half naked female above), the great Pyramid of the Aztec capital behind him, and he showed me the rise and fall of several civilizations throughout time--and what is even more amazing--is that we both saw the exact same vision.

The Shaman also wore a huge beautiful headdress made of feathers and the detail of the 20 minute animated vision was beyond 4k, and extremely detailed--it was also the vision in which I saw snakevines behind the centaurs, and before the Shaman left us at the end, he motioned to me with his eyes to look to the right of the living room out the window into the patio area where I had an empty garden plot--he was trying to tell me to plant entheogenic plants in the plot--his point in showing me the rise and fall of the different civilizations was that I believe he was trying to tell me that "if humanity is to survive, the only hope is a Spiritual Solution".




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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: tregar]
    #26820790 - 07/13/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So 600 of over ten year old seeds would be sufficient for a trip comparable to 2 hits LSD? I'm not asking for dosage advice.


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Re: Morning Glory Species [Re: tregar]
    #26820835 - 07/13/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would definitely agree the fresh seeds are stronger and produce a different trip, this is also true for mushrooms and cactus. Shamans were much smarter than modern day humans, they had essentially reached peak levels of high conciousness and were living in ultimate harmony with this world. It is a shame that our society has strayed so far from the natural way of living, many many lifetimes of knowledge has been lost.

When adding the peppermint to the tea fresh from the plant you are essentially trying to imitate the effects of fresh seeds however I belive the effects of the tea are different from both fresh and dried seeds. Thank you for all tge knowledge in this thread it was an amazing read, im glad there are people out here still seeking obscure natural entheogens for conciousness enhancment.

To all that are looking to try the lysergimides contained in these seeds, have a great trip.


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