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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#26820413 - 07/13/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess she was wrong. Dead wrong.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Shiithead] 1
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gotta be able to rise above.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Jewstress]
#26820633 - 07/13/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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gotta be able to rise above.
Please tell this to the white second amendment guys who just stocked up on another case of 1000x 9mm.
Blacks are supposed to get beat up in nonviolent peace while Mr and Ms White Entitlement take loaded AR-15s to peaceful demonstrations.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] 4
#26820778 - 07/13/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are you even talking about? There are like half a million more instances of black on white violence than the other way around. It's literally slanted by like 8x or 9x black people violently attacking white people.
Black 2nd amendment supporters exist and they get along with white 2nd amendment supporters too so IDK what you're point is about people exercising their constitutional rights.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#26820797 - 07/13/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont really care about guys with guns at protests if they are not criminals, the second amendment was created to protect the first amendment
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Shenmue]
#26820805 - 07/13/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shenmue said:I've basically been a Democrat my entire life so how can I have a narrative?
I'm trying to parse this question, but I think my brain power is better used somewhere else haha
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Shenmue said: The only logical place to be now in in the middle.
Look into a concept called the Overton Window (no, not the shitty Glen Beck novel of the same title - the concept in political theory). Basically, the Overton Window is the range of political ideas that are deemed mainstream in a given context - that context could be any setting, really, ranging from a county to an entire country, or even an era of global history.
I'm bringing up the Overton Window because, right now, the Overton Window for the United States is skewed to the right side of the political spectrum. Even the "Democratic" candidates of recent history are skewed to the right. Obama was still pro-military and all that jazz. This is also why candidates like Sanders were quickly branded as extremists in common discourse. Sander's policy plans weren't that radical in the context of the entire world - many other countries have implemented student loan forgiveness, socialized healthcare and more. These types of policies aren't really extreme in a global context, considering all the places in the world where these policies can be found in action - they're just considered "left of center". However, these policies seem extremely far left to Americans because the Overton Window in the US is so far skewed to the right that everything that is legitimately left of center in a global context will look like an extreme.
To that end, I'm pretty frustrated with Democrats in the U.S. right now. I also liked Bernie Sanders, as you did, because I'm a leftist and I believe that social programs (especially socialized healthcare) and loan forgiveness are desperately needed right now in the US - the working class is suffering, and we need some support. I was incredibly disappointed with Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee during the last election, and I'm equally disappointed with Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee for this election. Neither of them are really that left-leaning: they're centrists, which basically means they're right-leaning in the US thanks to the Overton Window.
So, on your point about the only logical place being "the middle", I'm going to have to disagree. I, too, considered myself a Democrat ten years ago, and I have also noticed how much the idea of being a Democrat has changed over the past ten years. I'm frustrated because being a Democrat seems to be more and more about stopping Donald Trump (or, just being less of an extremist than Trump) these days than it is about enacting social programs that support the citizens who are creating all the material value in our country (the working class). Remember, "the middle" in the U.S. is skewed to the right. I can't really call myself a Democrat or Liberal anymore these days - I'm more of a Leftist. Bernie Sanders was the mainstream candidate with views closest to my own, and now that he's out of the race I feel like my point of view is severely underrepresented in this upcoming election.
All in all, I guess I'm saying that I share your frustration, dude (or dudette, however you identify). Politics in the US right now are so fucked. That said, I'm not going to vote for Trump. He's an embarrassment. He's literally a reality TV star pretending to be the president. Every member of his cabinet has some capitalistic interest, and his policies all revolve around serving those interests at the expense of the rights and privacy of the working class. He speaks English at about a third grade reading level. There is insurmountable evidence that he has abused women in the past. He started an organization called "Trump University" which isn't actually a university at all, but really a pyramid scheme. He's a scummy businessman who has "earned" his wealth by fucking other businessmen over (again, the evidence for this is insurmountable). He incites violence against citizens who disagree with him (remember when he encouraged everyone to punch a dissenting man at one of his rallies?), he's incredibly xenophobic (remember the "muslim travel ban", and his comments about "caravans of immigrants bringing drugs"), and he has a lack of respect for disabled people (remember when he blatantly mocked a disabled journalist at one of his rallies?). He seems to be pushing us further and further into isolation from the rest of the world with his ideas of building a wall between the US and Mexico, his trade wars with China, and now with the way he's handling the pandemic. It is no longer safe for many regions of the world to allow travelers from the US because of the way his administration has failed to address the pandemic. I won't sugar coat it at all: he's a complete embarrassment, and he is a symptom of everything that makes me ashamed to be an American.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: gopher] 1
#26820814 - 07/13/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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gopher said: I dont really care about guys with guns at protests if they are not criminals, the second amendment was created to protect the first amendment
The roots of the second amendment was the need to arm the militias whose sole purpose was hunting down escaped slaves and preventing slave revolts.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: feevers]
#26820892 - 07/13/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The 2nd amendment currently allows people to protect themselves, like this clerk at a store who stopped an assailant:
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: feevers]
#26820936 - 07/13/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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gopher said: I dont really care about guys with guns at protests if they are not criminals, the second amendment was created to protect the first amendment
The roots of the second amendment was the need to arm the militias whose sole purpose was hunting down escaped slaves and preventing slave revolts.
That might have been the effect but that was not the purpose.
The foundation is america was rooted in alot of idealism.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26820945 - 07/13/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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After the war of 1812 America had virtually no "tyrants" foreign invaders to deal with.
Honestly america's 19th century military powers remind me of Sparta and the Helots. Native americans and african americans.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Shenmue] 5
#26820973 - 07/13/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who cares if trump fucked super models and cheated on his wife! What does that have to do with being the president!?
Ummmm, because ethics, morals, and standards crossing over into every single aspect of that persons way of doing things/living/acting maybe? What the fuck do I know.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] 5
#26821340 - 07/13/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Please tell this to the white second amendment guys who just stocked up on another case of 1000x 9mm.
Blacks are supposed to get beat up in nonviolent peace while Mr and Ms White Entitlement take loaded AR-15s to peaceful demonstrations.
Apparently it bears repeating: Inventing a hypothetical scenario then imagining an outcome and getting mad over your fantasy is probably not a healthy way of thinking. (See:Delusional)
What 2nd amendment guys are you talking about? Do you have names of these people who are stocking up on 1000x of 9mm ammo or are you just making shit up to try to emotionally manipulate under- and ill-informed people such as yourself? Who specifically are you referring to? Some ambiguous group that you invented in order to perpetuate racial hostilities? "White 2nd amendment guys" LOL WTF
If white people are the majority, and the majority of white people are violent racists, and white people have a lot of guns, then why are they the victims of interracial violent crime more often? The numbers aren't even close. Like 570,000 vs 70,000.
I can tell you I have people on facebook and I see people share videos of white people being randomly attacked all the time. And they laugh and make fun of it. A guy in the store looking at his phone gets knocked out and his phone stolen while the robber didn't even spill his cheetos and it's all hilarious. A black guy stabbing random white people- hilarious. A white kid gets thrown over the balcony from the 3rd story at the mall- hilarious. White kid with autism gets kidnapped and psychologically tortured- HILARIOUS.
Your statement "Blacks are supposed to get beat up in nonviolent peace while Mr and Ms White Entitlement take loaded AR-15s to peaceful demonstrations." is a pointless LIE because the people in the crowd of peaceful protesters chanting to eat the rich had loaded rifles as well and police attack white peaceful protesters all the time. White kids get shot in the face with rubber bullets and shit. Your lies make you feel empowered and more moral than you actually are.
How you gonna have a "All is one you are that" avatar and spread lies that perpetuate racial hostility in a thread that is about a person who got shot saying "All Lives Matter."
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#26821377 - 07/13/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: What 2nd amendment guys are you talking about? Do you have names of these people who are stocking up on 1000x of 9mm ammo or are you just making shit up to try to emotionally manipulate under- and ill-informed people such as yourself? Who specifically are you referring to? Some ambiguous group that you invented in order to perpetuate racial hostilities? "White 2nd amendment guys" LOL WTF
Actually, yeah, there are people like that where I live. I live in a predominantly white area in the US, and when the pandemic hit, ammunition stores literally ran out of stock from people panic-buying. Of course, that doesn't mean that their actions are racially motivated, but nobody in this conversation is saying that stocking up on ammo as a white person is racist. However, there really are "2nd amendment guys" who react to economic stress buy stocking up on ammunition.
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MrBlueYoMind said: and the majority of white people are violent racists
Omg literally nobody in this conversation actually believes that the majority of white people are violent racists, right?
No comment on any of your other points.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#26821427 - 07/13/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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*responds twice furiously to the same comment to chop it into firewood*
Whatever man, attack the strawman you're setting up all you want. In your posts I see the fucked upness of America at this point in time, reflected.
And you can say "what fucked upness wtf" but thats not going to change nothing.
Every form of protest black people take, no matter how peaceful or restrained, is "wrong".
So why be peaceful and restrained?
Minorities should arm themselves, only then will they get respected.
Jewstress says Martin Luther King, I say Malcolm X.
Let black people get armed in great numbers, apply for conceiled carry in great numbers, the works.
Its a bad time to be an unarmed minority in America.
All minorities should arm up to stand their ground if needed.
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His statements were nothing but racial, not sure how you can deny that. Both statements literally are trying to attribute behaviors that every people engage in while highlighting a race of the person as if it's meaningful to the point he's trying to make, but then somehow "it's not racial." LOL Yeaa right
The 2 sentences together and in response to a civil right legend's call to non-violence suggest that white people are buying ammo to intimidate peaceful black people. Not sure how you can try to imply he meant white people who buy ammo during economic hard times. Black people buy 1000 rounds of ammo all the time.
Even if the majority of white people aren't violent racists, the fact they are the majority of people means they ought to have the majority of interracial offenses but they DON'T so not sure why people need to run out and tell white gun owners about MLK all of a sudden unless you're suggesting they are racist.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26821455 - 07/13/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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what point youre trying to make? That black people dont get as much shit as whites, whites are the real top victims? Are you a white victim who got bullied by a black person?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26821457 - 07/13/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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suggest that white people are buying ammo to intimidate peaceful black people.
To you maybe, not to the average person reading that post at face value.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#26821495 - 07/13/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: His statements were nothing but racial, not sure how you can deny that. Both statements literally are trying to attribute behaviors that every people engage in while highlighting a race of the person as if it's meaningful to the point he's trying to make, but then somehow "it's not racial." LOL Yeaa right
The 2 sentences together and in response to a civil right legend's call to non-violence suggest that white people are buying ammo to intimidate peaceful black people. Not sure how you can try to imply he meant white people who buy ammo during economic hard times. Black people buy 1000 rounds of ammo all the time.
Yeah, I was more focused on the 2nd amendment debate than the race debate when it comes to hoarding ammo. I can only speak from personal experience. Without any reference to race, some people who live in my area hoarded ammo when the pandemic hit.
Just to clarify: at first, you were asking if any of us could "give a specific name" of someone who hoarded a bunch of ammo, which sort of implied to me that you were skeptical that such people even existed in the first place. I talked about my experience in my own town just to demonstrate that those people do, indeed, exist. However, now that we're discussing race, you're willing to admit that "Black people buy 1000 rounds of ammo all the time." Are you applying a double standard with your skepticism based on race, or do you now redact your previous demands to "name a specific person"?
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MrBlueYoMind said: Even if the majority of white people aren't violent racists, the fact they are the majority of people means they ought to have the majority of interracial offenses
Wait, what the fuck? That doesn't follow logically at all. Just because one race holds a majority doesn't mean that it ought to commit more interracial offenses. Where did you get that bogus idea from?
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MrBlueYoMind said: not sure why people need to run out and tell white gun owners about MLK all of a sudden unless you're suggesting they are racist.
Let's take a look at the MLK quote in question, why don't we? He said:
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Martin Luther King said: Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.
Not one reference to race in that quote. It's more of a criticism of violence in general, regardless of who is perpetrating it. It's not directed at white gun owners, but at anyone who might be considering violence as a valid option (and, I would argue, you necessarily consider violence an option if you decide to own a gun).
By the way, if you're making reference to what Asante said, take it up with him, not with me. I don't agree with everything that guy says.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] 1
#26821497 - 07/13/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said:
*responds twice furiously to the same comment to chop it into firewood*
Whatever man, attack the strawman you're setting up all you want. In your posts I see the fucked upness of America at this point in time, reflected.
And you can say "what fucked upness wtf" but thats not going to change nothing.
Every form of protest black people take, no matter how peaceful or restrained, is "wrong".
So why be peaceful and restrained?
Minorities should arm themselves, only then will they get respected.
Jewstress says Martin Luther King, I say Malcolm X.
Let black people get armed in great numbers, apply for conceiled carry in great numbers, the works.
Its a bad time to be an unarmed minority in America.
All minorities should arm up to stand their ground if needed.

"So why be peaceful and restrained?"
Against what exactly?
"Minorities should arm themselves"
That's basically insinuating that non-whites aren't armed, why would you make that suggestion?
"Its a bad time to be an unarmed minority in America"
How so exactly?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
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So either someone taking a loaded weapon to a peaceful protest isn't intimidating to you, in which case what was the purpose of the statement in relevance to the response,
Or taking a loaded weapon to a peaceful demonstration IS intimidating, in which case how would that weapon be loaded if they didn't buy ammo- meaning the white 2nd amendment guys are buying ammo for the purpose of intimidation? It's not unreasonable to think that 2 sentences placed directly after each other and in response to calls for non-violence might all be related to each other. It's audacious to suggest they aren't.
Also, accusing me of a strawman while engaging in a strawman is called projection. You literally imagined a response and replied to your imagination- more delusional behavior.
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Pointing out that black people buy 1000 rounds of ammo is to show the irrelevance of the race of person buying ammo. I'm not saying black people buying 1000s of ammo is bad or has anything wrong with it or needs to be addressed. I'm demonstrating his double-standard, not mine. If it was just a call to non-violence, he wouldn't have needed to specify the race of the person buying it.
I'd prefer to live in a non-violent world but I know I live in a world where people gang-rape and murder each other and kidnap autistic kids and facebook livestream rapes and torture and people record themselves attacking people and committing crimes for the purpose of selling the video and making money off it so fuck that stock up on weapons by all means.
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