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Distorted Vision said: If you don't think they have a different culture then you definitely haven't hung out with too many black folks.
There is no "they" other than an arbitrary distinction you're making. I went to high school in watts, California. I didn't know any white people other than family until college.
American culture is a product of a long history. We have all participated in it, and that culture has always had white privilege and black oppression.
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Nonagon Infinity said:
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Distorted Vision said: Your math is wayy off. You only divide percentages. You don't even factor in the population difference.
My math is correct. It actually factors in the population differences. You have to make the populations the same in the math to make it make sense at all.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm making them both equal to 100% so I can actually work with the numbers.
Your math literally only shows that there were 1.2 more murders in the U.S. done by black people compared to white people. Not the likelihood of either color committing murder.
You don't need both population sizes to be equal in order to compare the probability of a randomly selected individual from each population being a murderer, as I explained in detail in my last response to you.
1.2 is the relative likelihood that a black person committed a murder compared to a white person. The likelihood that a randomly selected black person from 2017 committed a murder is 53.1%, the likelihood that a randomly selected white person from 2017 committed a murder is 44.1%.
If you don't understand why you don't need to factor in differences of size in populations when comparing the probability of randomly selecting a murderer from each group, then I don't know how I can help you understand my perspective. We might just have to agree to disagree there.
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Distorted Vision said: The skin color isn't what makes them violent, it's their culture that makes them violent.
Hmm.. I wonder where one's culture comes from...
You're wrong. The likelihood a random selected black person has committed murder in the U.S. is not 53%! Lol. That would make them insanely violent. That's more than one out of every 2 black people committing murder..
The likelihood of a random black person having committed murder for that year is actually .0096% which I got by dividing black murders by the black population(assuming each person committed one murder).
These numbers are from 2019 census so it will be a little off. But it will be close enough for this demonstration.
So 4,188 divided by 43,290,000 is 0.0096%
Same with the white murders divided by white population.
5,025 divided by 253,080,000 is .0019%.
So now we have both percentages. We divide them.
.0096 divided by .0019 we get 5.05. which is roughly the number I had before.
You can't ignore the population size. You are skipping way too much.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
#26823343 - 07/14/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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 How many black people does one encounter in Indiana?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
#26823347 - 07/14/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is it do you suppose we can lift the black man up to the status of the white man? I see there’s a dangerous tendency to pull the white man down to the black man’s oppressed status. How do we lift everyone up to where we can be reasonably comfortable, fed and occupied with healthy thoughts?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Amanita86]
#26823357 - 07/14/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not starving the public education system and catering to business wants would have been a good start.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26823364 - 07/14/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, business out of politics. You also shouldn’t be able to buy your way in. All that shit, good luck.
I mean actual workable ways of making all this shit better, starting right now.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26823374 - 07/14/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Not starving the public education system and catering to business wants would have been a good start.
Theres a virus we must keep the schools closed
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26823376 - 07/14/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stop starving public education and teachers and electives and prep/work/life skills programs, especially in poor areas, and stop catering to business wants.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: budmanman]
#26823379 - 07/14/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Not starving the public education system and catering to business wants would have been a good start.
Theres a virus we must keep the schools closed
See that would be a less serious problem if we hadn't starved schools and teacher salaries so that less and less people wanted to be teachers and children were taught personal responsibility and therefore schools could have the room and staff to make smaller (safer) class sizes and trust a majority of the student body not to have orgies in the hallway.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26823385 - 07/14/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Our class sizes are par for the course
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26823390 - 07/14/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every time I see

I'm like "its a sugar frisbee, its made of sugar with food coloring"

It has that effect on me. My mind is just stuck on it.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante]
#26823397 - 07/14/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, now I’ll never unsee that..
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: budmanman] 1
#26823403 - 07/14/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Distorted Vision said: If you don't think they have a different culture then you definitely haven't hung out with too many black folks.
There is no "they" other than an arbitrary distinction you're making. I went to high school in watts, California. I didn't know any white people other than family until college.
American culture is a product of a long history. We have all participated in it, and that culture has always had white privilege and black oppression.
Well most black families that I know of are a lot more violent. They hit their kids more and I've seen many situations where the couple's hit each other and they yell a lot more. But they also dance a lot more and have more fun and are more athletic.
I really don't hate black people, they're fun as fuck. But they are different. And violence seems to be common with the black folks I've hung out with in at least 10 different areas around the U.S. that I've spent a good amount of time with black communities. Usually in inner cities or more violent places honestly I'll admit.
I've met plenty of non violent black people. It just seems they are much more likely to fight or kill for what they believe in or if they get screwed over. Which is good in ways but not for their future.
Cookie crumbs, there's a lot of black people in Indiana. I also have spent a lot of time all around the country.
You guys really just want me to be racist. I am going off of facts and observations, I'm not making shit up. If you guys want to ignore their cultural problems, then so be it.
I've had many black people, usually older, agree with me on all of these points. Ok we'll just act like they don't kill each other and aren't violent. Now what?
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Distorted Vision said:
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Nonagon Infinity said:
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Distorted Vision said: Your math is wayy off. You only divide percentages. You don't even factor in the population difference.
My math is correct. It actually factors in the population differences. You have to make the populations the same in the math to make it make sense at all.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm making them both equal to 100% so I can actually work with the numbers.
Your math literally only shows that there were 1.2 more murders in the U.S. done by black people compared to white people. Not the likelihood of either color committing murder.
You don't need both population sizes to be equal in order to compare the probability of a randomly selected individual from each population being a murderer, as I explained in detail in my last response to you.
1.2 is the relative likelihood that a black person committed a murder compared to a white person. The likelihood that a randomly selected black person from 2017 committed a murder is 53.1%, the likelihood that a randomly selected white person from 2017 committed a murder is 44.1%.
If you don't understand why you don't need to factor in differences of size in populations when comparing the probability of randomly selecting a murderer from each group, then I don't know how I can help you understand my perspective. We might just have to agree to disagree there.
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Distorted Vision said: The skin color isn't what makes them violent, it's their culture that makes them violent.
Hmm.. I wonder where one's culture comes from...
You're wrong. The likelihood a random selected black person has committed murder in the U.S. is not 53%! Lol. That would make them insanely violent. That's more than one out of every 2 black people committing murder..
The likelihood of a random black person having committed murder for that year is actually .0096% which I got by dividing black murders by the black population(assuming each person committed one murder).
These numbers are from 2019 census so it will be a little off. But it will be close enough for this demonstration.
So 4,188 divided by 43,290,000 is 0.0096%
Same with the white murders divided by white population.
5,025 divided by 253,080,000 is .0019%.
So now we have both percentages. We divide them.
.0096 divided by .0019 we get 5.05. which is roughly the number I had before.
You can't ignore the population size. You are skipping way too much.
Ah, right, I made a mistake. I was only comparing populations of murderers haha. I'm only human.
What I should have said is: If you randomly select a murderer, there's a 53.1% chance they will be black and a 44.1% chance they will be white.
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You're fine brother. That statement is correct.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26823413 - 07/14/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: How is it do you suppose we can lift the black man up to the status of the white man? I see there’s a dangerous tendency to pull the white man down to the black man’s oppressed status. How do we lift everyone up to where we can be reasonably comfortable, fed and occupied with healthy thoughts?
That's a perception problem. Mitigating white privilege isn't "pulling the white man down." It's leveling the playing field. White people have gotten so used to having an advantage that they see the removal of advantage as a disadvantage.
How do we fix it? It's not easy. Changing the perception of 300 million people isn't something one does overnight. It has been changing slowly. Truthfully, the best way that YOU can personally help the process is by not resisting the process by perpetuating historical biases within yourself. Will that change the world? No. Will it move things forward? Ever so slightly, yes.
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Enlil]
#26823420 - 07/14/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are some examples of possible historical biases that I may or may not have?
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Distorted Vision said: And violence seems to be common with the black folks I've hung out with in at least 10 different areas around the U.S. that I've spent a good amount of time with black communities. Usually in inner cities or more violent places honestly I'll admit.
So, the question you should be asking is, "why?" We know it isn't biological. So what is it? When we encounter a statistically significant difference between different groups of people, there is an underlying reason. It isn't hard to see a lot of potential reasons for it in America. Black folk have been subjected to oppression for hundreds of years on this continent. That has long-term effects. To assume otherwise is foolish.
Once you get to that point, you eventually just have to accept that American society has created this disparity. The society that white and black folk have created has caused everything we've been talking about. Given this fact, shouldn't we be fixing society instead of denigrating a particular group that has gotten the short end of the stick socially since before this nation was founded?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26823433 - 07/14/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: What are some examples of possible historical biases that I may or may not have?
For instance. You may see black people as potentially more violent, which is the subject of this thread at the moment. That bias is not really useful because it doesn't really tell you anything about a particular person. You wouldn't want to be viewed as the white oppressor based solely on your skin color, would you? Why should a black man have to overcome a presumption of violence?
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Re: Woman shot for saying “all lives matter” [Re: Asante] 1
#26823484 - 07/14/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Every time I see

I'm like "its a sugar frisbee, its made of sugar with food coloring"

It has that effect on me. My mind is just stuck on it.
man I haven't seen that movie in ages.
You have me thinking I should fix that.
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